But that's a girl's toy!

In article zLqzb.56565$kl6.31879@fed1read03,
"Circe" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message
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the obvious response on dolls is that girls are learning to be mommies
when they play with dolls -- and boys are learning to be daddies

Mmmm, in what way are boys learning to be daddies when they play with
Barbies evil grin; nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more?

LOL good point -- we didn't allow the vixens in our house -- so girls
learn to be shallow materialistic twits and boys learn to treat women
like objects? works for me

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Nan wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:35:20 -0500, "P. G. Chavez"
wrote:

Circe wrote and I snipped:

My daughter (4yo) is driving me bananas with her insistence that her
brothers may NOT play with her dolls/Barbies because they are not girls.
If
she sees Vernon, in particular, pick up one of her dolls, she practically
leaps on him to get it away from him. I have tried repeatedly to explain
to
her that dolls are not JUST for girls--girls seem to enjoy playing with
them
more often than boys do, but that doesn't mean boys can NEVER play with
them. Help?

I'll be watching the responses. My DD (5yo) has been teaching DS (3yo)
which colors are "girl colors" and which are "boy colors." Where does
she get this? Talk about silly ideas!

Television, catalogs, wandering around in stores, seeing girls dressed
in pink and boys in blue.... and subconsciously.... parents sometimes.

Nan

this sometimes culminates in immature brides insisting that the mother
of the groom wear blue and the mother of the bride wear pink [and RUN
if your son is marrying someone like this]

"Circe" wrote in message
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"Jenn" wrote in message
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the obvious response on dolls is that girls are learning to be mommies
when they play with dolls -- and boys are learning to be daddies

Mmmm, in what way are boys learning to be daddies when they play with
Barbies evil grin; nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more?
--
Be well, Barbara
(Julian [6], Aurora [4], and Vernon's [a quarter to 2] mom)



Lewis makes Charlotte's Barbies kiss each other. Dylan thinks is
hysterical. eyeroll

"Jenn" wrote in message
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In article zLqzb.56565$kl6.31879@fed1read03,
"Circe" wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in message
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the obvious response on dolls is that girls are learning to be mommies
when they play with dolls -- and boys are learning to be daddies

Mmmm, in what way are boys learning to be daddies when they play with
Barbies evil grin; nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more?

LOL good point -- we didn't allow the vixens in our house -- so girls
learn to be shallow materialistic twits and boys learn to treat women
like objects? works for me

I think that's giving *waaaaay* too much power to a toy, personally. I know
a lot of people think Barbies are evil, but I played with them as a girl and
*I* didn't turn out to be a shallow materialistic twit. It's not the TOY,
it's the whole environment.
--
Be well, Barbara
(Julian [6], Aurora [4], and Vernon's [a quarter to 2] mom)

This week's special at the English Language Butcher Shop:
"Be prepare to stop" -- CalTrans sign

Daddy: You're up with the chickens this morning.
Aurora: No, I'm up with my dolls!

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"Sophie" wrote in message
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"Circe" wrote in message
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Mmmm, in what way are boys learning to be daddies when they play with
Barbies evil grin; nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more?

Lewis makes Charlotte's Barbies kiss each other. Dylan thinks is
hysterical. eyeroll

Well, I have to admit, I think it's a hoot, too. I'm still chuckling...
--
Be well, Barbara
(Julian [6], Aurora [4], and Vernon's [a quarter to 2] mom)

This week's special at the English Language Butcher Shop:
"Be prepare to stop" -- CalTrans sign

Daddy: You're up with the chickens this morning.
Aurora: No, I'm up with my dolls!

All opinions expressed in this post are well-reasoned and insightful.
Needless to say, they are not those of my Internet Service Provider, its
other subscribers or lackeys. Anyone who says otherwise is itchin' for a
fight. -- with apologies to Michael Feldman

I think that's giving *waaaaay* too much power to a toy, personally. I
know
a lot of people think Barbies are evil, but I played with them as a girl
and
*I* didn't turn out to be a shallow materialistic twit. It's not the TOY,
it's the whole environment.
--
Be well, Barbara
(Julian [6], Aurora [4], and Vernon's [a quarter to 2] mom)


I took a popular culture class in college. It was amazing how long we spent
talking about Barbie. No one had any *issues* cos of her although *they*
say she can cause them.

"Circe" wrote in message
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"Jenn" wrote in message
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the obvious response on dolls is that girls are learning to be mommies
when they play with dolls -- and boys are learning to be daddies

Mmmm, in what way are boys learning to be daddies when they play with
Barbies evil grin; nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more?

Mmmm, in what way are girls learning to be mommies when they play with
Barbies ?

Traditionally dolls were like babies that girls would care for the way they
saw mommy care for their younger siblings.
Barbies are all about fashion, clothes etcetera... Nothing to do with being
a mommy IMHO

Isn't there a Ken that goes with Barbie ? Perhaps the kids can play at being
lovers with these dolls !?
.... but do you want them to at that age ?

"Circe" wrote in message
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My daughter (4yo) is driving me bananas with her
insistence that her brothers may NOT play with her
dolls/Barbies because they are not girls. If she sees
Vernon, in particular, pick up one of her dolls, she
practically leaps on him to get it away from him. I
have tried repeatedly to explain to her that dolls are
not JUST for girls--girls seem to enjoy playing with
them more often than boys do, but that doesn't mean
boys can NEVER play with them. Help?

I think it's normal for pre-schoolers to have very rigid, distinct ideas
about gender roles. As you've told me before, this too shall pass. :-)
Julie has a Muppets video with the Swedish Chef in it. When she asked
about him I explained to her that, "a chef is a person who cooks things"
and she replied, "oh, he's a Mommy.". Now, no matter what I say, she
insists the Swedish Chef is a mommy, lol. I don't know if there's
anything you can *do* about it, except continue to explain that it's OK
for boys to play with dolls if they want to. Otherwise I would
consistently react exactly the same way you do to any other infraction
of your sharing rules. Sorry, probably not much help.
--
Cheryl S.
Mom to Julie, 2 yr., 8 mo.
And Jaden, 3 months

Cleaning the house while your children are small is like
shoveling the sidewalk while it's still snowing.

"ChrisScaife" wrote in message
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"Circe" wrote in message
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"Jenn" wrote in message
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the obvious response on dolls is that girls are learning to be mommies
when they play with dolls -- and boys are learning to be daddies

Mmmm, in what way are boys learning to be daddies when they play with
Barbies evil grin; nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more?

Mmmm, in what way are girls learning to be mommies when they play with
Barbies ?

Traditionally dolls were like babies that girls would care for the way
they
saw mommy care for their younger siblings.
Barbies are all about fashion, clothes etcetera... Nothing to do with
being
a mommy IMHO

Well, my daughter has some small girl and baby dolls that she plays with
*with* her Barbies. The Barbies are the moms. So, in her case at least, she
is doing role-playing that involves being a mommy. She also likes dressing
her Barbies in "princessy" things, as she has a major obsession with
"pretty" things, but I don't think there's anything evil or wrong with that
though I did once worry about it.

Isn't there a Ken that goes with Barbie ? Perhaps the kids can play at
being
lovers with these dolls !?
... but do you want them to at that age ?

By the time I was 8 or so, I think my Barbies had a pretty decent sex life
with their Ken dolls. But, of course, at 4, I wouldn't have had a clue...
--
Be well, Barbara
(Julian [6], Aurora [4], and Vernon's [a quarter to 2] mom)

This week's special at the English Language Butcher Shop:
"Be prepare to stop" -- CalTrans sign

Daddy: You're up with the chickens this morning.
Aurora: No, I'm up with my dolls!

All opinions expressed in this post are well-reasoned and insightful.
Needless to say, they are not those of my Internet Service Provider, its oth
er subscribers or lackeys. Anyone who says otherwise is itchin' for a
fight. -- with apologies to Michael Feldman

"Circe" wrote in message
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My daughter (4yo) is driving me bananas with her insistence that her
brothers may NOT play with her dolls/Barbies because they are not girls.
If
she sees Vernon, in particular, pick up one of her dolls, she practically
leaps on him to get it away from him. I have tried repeatedly to explain
to
her that dolls are not JUST for girls--girls seem to enjoy playing with
them
more often than boys do, but that doesn't mean boys can NEVER play with
them. Help?

If your DS wants to play with Barbies, then buy him his own Barbies. Why
should he be relegated to sharing his sister's? This way, he would have his
own to play with and his sister would see that dolls aren't just for boys.