We have reached 1 year!

I tried to post this last night, so apologies if it appears again.

I never thought I'd be saying this but William and I have reached 1
year of bf'ing, albeit mixed feeding. He has gone down to 2 bf's a day,
one brief one before bed and a longer one in the morning and has 2
bottles of formula at nursery. Alhough at the WE he had a horrible cold
so I was pleased to able to give him a comfort feed later in the
evening. He had a lovely birthday party on Sat, with most of our family
and some friends. I just have to find somewhere to put all his pressies
now!. Here are a few piccies:

http://wwwibbles.co.uk/pics/main.php...&g2_itemId=345

Anyway, I know I've said this before, but I truly believe I wouldn't
have got past 3 weeks without being able to read all the stories and
advice on this group. So a big thank you to you all from us both.

As for William, well he started crawling at 11 months but hasn't shown
a huge interest in anything but a short handheld toddle, has 6 teeth,
would eat bananas till the cows come home but since his cold won't
touch one, is allergic to eggs, loves nursery, crawls down the hall to
the kitchen if his brekkie is being made fast enough. His fascination
on how things work he gets from his dad and his impatience from his mum
(oops). Good and bad, there is never a dull moment with our Wibbles and
we absolutely adore him.

Ta

Jeni

wrote:

I tried to post this last night, so apologies if it appears again.

I never thought I'd be saying this but William and I have reached 1
year of bf'ing, albeit mixed feeding. He has gone down to 2 bf's a day,
one brief one before bed and a longer one in the morning and has 2
bottles of formula at nursery. Alhough at the WE he had a horrible cold
so I was pleased to able to give him a comfort feed later in the
evening. He had a lovely birthday party on Sat, with most of our family
and some friends. I just have to find somewhere to put all his pressies
now!. Here are a few piccies:

http://wwwibbles.co.uk/pics/main.php...&g2_itemId=345

he's beautiful. I love the "inspecting the food" face he's making at the
cake. :-D

Anyway, I know I've said this before, but I truly believe I wouldn't
have got past 3 weeks without being able to read all the stories and
advice on this group. So a big thank you to you all from us both.

As for William, well he started crawling at 11 months but hasn't shown
a huge interest in anything but a short handheld toddle, has 6 teeth,
would eat bananas till the cows come home but since his cold won't
touch one, is allergic to eggs, loves nursery, crawls down the hall to
the kitchen if his brekkie is being made fast enough. His fascination
on how things work he gets from his dad and his impatience from his mum
(oops). Good and bad, there is never a dull moment with our Wibbles and
we absolutely adore him.

That sounds great. :-D Congratulations on nursing him this far!

rj

Rebecca Jo wrote:
wrote:
!. Here are a few piccies:

http://wwwibbles.co.uk/pics/main.php...&g2_itemId=345

he's beautiful. I love the "inspecting the food" face he's making at the
cake. :-D

Thanks . He's getting much better at hand-feeding now but still can't
see the point in spoon-feeding when someone else is there to shove it
in

Anyway, I know I've said this before, but I truly believe I wouldn't
have got past 3 weeks without being able to read all the stories and
advice on this group. So a big thank you to you all from us both.

As for William, well he started crawling at 11 months but hasn't shown
a huge interest in anything but a short handheld toddle, has 6 teeth,
would eat bananas till the cows come home but since his cold won't
touch one, is allergic to eggs, loves nursery, crawls down the hall to
the kitchen if his brekkie is being made fast enough. His fascination
on how things work he gets from his dad and his impatience from his mum
(oops). Good and bad, there is never a dull moment with our Wibbles and
we absolutely adore him.

That sounds great. :-D Congratulations on nursing him this far!

Ta.

Jeni

Congratulations Jeni! (and William too!)

Just wondering what are the plans for milk transitioning at nursery? I
always mention this because I feel worse if people turn round in a years
time and say I didn't know. Basically the advice I was given by just about
everyone, dentist health visitor, speech therapist, etc. is to stop bottles
at 12 months, 2 reasons for this, 1 is that the way it puts the liquid into
the mouth makes it pool and is more liable to cause tooth decay and the
other and more concerning one is to do with speech development, I don't
fully understand the link, but there is something about development of the
palate and forming words, not being helped by using bottles. Anyway, I'm
sure the nursery staff will have ideas as they must do it with loads of
children, some people switch to cows milk then ditch the bottles, others do
it the opposite way round.

Cheers

Anne

Hi --

I don't see why you're linking the transition FROM bottles to the
transition TO cow's milk. Why not just offer whatever liquid you've
already been offering, but put it in a cup?

--Beth Kevles

http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic
Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as medical
advice. Please consult with your own medical practicioner.

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I don't see why you're linking the transition FROM bottles to the
transition TO cow's milk. Why not just offer whatever liquid you've
already been offering, but put it in a cup?

I'm just saying what a lot of people do! In the UK there is a fairly strong
recomendation to breastfeed or formula feed until age 1, and I have come
across many many people who take that to literally mean they transition to
cows milk on the dot of 1, hence the ordering thing, change the milk then
get rid of the bottle or the other way round. Of course your suggestion
makes by far the most sense, but then formula costs quite a lot more than
plain cows milk!

Anne

Anne Rogers wrote:
Congratulations Jeni! (and William too!)

Thanks Anne.

Just wondering what are the plans for milk transitioning at nursery? I
always mention this because I feel worse if people turn round in a years
time and say I didn't know. Basically the advice I was given by just about
everyone, dentist health visitor, speech therapist, etc. is to stop bottles
at 12 months, 2 reasons for this, 1 is that the way it puts the liquid into
the mouth makes it pool and is more liable to cause tooth decay and the
other and more concerning one is to do with speech development, I don't
fully understand the link, but there is something about development of the
palate and forming words, not being helped by using bottles. Anyway, I'm
sure the nursery staff will have ideas as they must do it with loads of
children, some people switch to cows milk then ditch the bottles, others do
it the opposite way round.

Thanks for this. I was going to post on the very same thing when I
remembered. At present we have discovered he will sip cows milk the
same way as he sips water, but so far won't have it as a replacement
for his bottle. We did try it briefly at the weekend but we didn't know
till the evening how bad he was feeling so realise now it was a bad
time to try. The problem is that he still has between 4 and 8 oz twice
a day so getting through a sippy cup of that much would take forever
and he'd get very frustrated.

I'm not sure what the answer is, only that I agree it would be better
to ditch the bottles. Any ideas on how to do (this bearing in mind the
nursery have limited time and people to take it too slow) would be very
welcome. In the meantime we will have another go at the bottle so at
least he is on the way to transitioning from formula.

Jeni

Jeni wrote:
Thanks for this. I was going to post on the very same thing when I
remembered. At present we have discovered he will sip cows milk the
same way as he sips water, but so far won't have it as a replacement
for his bottle. We did try it briefly at the weekend but we didn't know
till the evening how bad he was feeling so realise now it was a bad
time to try. The problem is that he still has between 4 and 8 oz twice
a day so getting through a sippy cup of that much would take forever
and he'd get very frustrated.

I'm not sure what the answer is, only that I agree it would be better
to ditch the bottles. Any ideas on how to do (this bearing in mind the
nursery have limited time and people to take it too slow) would be very
welcome. In the meantime we will have another go at the bottle so at
least he is on the way to transitioning from formula.

actually I never stated my personal preference, which would be to never give
cows milk in a bottle, it's semi irrational, based on the fact that at least
formula is designed for bottles, but then as it seems to be the speech
reason that leads the reasons for getting of bottles it probably doesn't
matter what is actually in it.

I think if was me I would have them give one of the feeds from a sippy (no
valve - just as bad for speech apparently), the one when he is most awake
and the other stick with a bottle, then go to all cup, which would hopefully
happen in 2 weeks to a month, then transition to cows milk, if necessary by
doing 10% 90% and working the amount of formula down over another two weeks
to a month.

Cheers

Anne

Anne Rogers wrote:
Jeni wrote:
Thanks for this. I was going to post on the very same thing when I
remembered. At present we have discovered he will sip cows milk the
same way as he sips water, but so far won't have it as a replacement
for his bottle. We did try it briefly at the weekend but we didn't know
till the evening how bad he was feeling so realise now it was a bad
time to try. The problem is that he still has between 4 and 8 oz twice
a day so getting through a sippy cup of that much would take forever
and he'd get very frustrated.

I'm not sure what the answer is, only that I agree it would be better
to ditch the bottles. Any ideas on how to do (this bearing in mind the
nursery have limited time and people to take it too slow) would be very
welcome. In the meantime we will have another go at the bottle so at
least he is on the way to transitioning from formula.

actually I never stated my personal preference, which would be to never give
cows milk in a bottle, it's semi irrational, based on the fact that at least
formula is designed for bottles, but then as it seems to be the speech
reason that leads the reasons for getting of bottles it probably doesn't
matter what is actually in it.

I think if was me I would have them give one of the feeds from a sippy (no
valve - just as bad for speech apparently), the one when he is most awake
and the other stick with a bottle, then go to all cup, which would hopefully
happen in 2 weeks to a month, then transition to cows milk, if necessary by
doing 10% 90% and working the amount of formula down over another two weeks
to a month.

Well it seems the issue with William is exactly the method by which his
milk is delivered, rather than what kind it is. He really isn't keen on
drinking out of cups at all, lid on or off, but will do it reluctantly
with water with his breakfast, snacks, and throughout the day. At
present he won't take his milk feed out of a cup because he gets too
frustrated at sipping. He has his milk when he wakes from his naps so
is hungry and just downs it in minutes. He can't do that with a sippy
cup and he is not a patient fellow. I suspect as a result of bottles he
drinks more in the day and very little bm at night and morning, so
cutting out bottles just isn't an option. He would get very very cross.
We did try early on to give him milk before his nap but that didn't
work then so it won't work now. We discussed it with the nursery at
out first parents evening last week. They agreed to try a little milk
in a cup for his snack. What happened was that because he woke up
around snack time they just put the cow's milk (warmed, he won't touch
it cold) in his bottle and he drank it straight down. From a nutrition
point of view it's what we wanted because he does have a very balanced
diet so we feel cow's milk is a better choice than formula. He eats a
lot of soilds which include a little fibre, carbs, fresh fruit and
veggies, full- fat dairy and the right amount of protein/iron etc in
dried fruits, legumes and pulses that he misses from not eating meat.
Apart from the rare odd Hipp jar, all main meals are homecooked by us,
so we know what he eats. As for the bottles issue, seen as he has only
just turned 1 we are not sweating it. But what we will do is gradually
introduce more milk in cups and less in bottles. One quirk of William's
personality we have learnt from is that he doesn't do things cold
turkey, everything has to be done gradually. This goes for helping get
to sleep on his own (which he does beautifully now - and sleeps the
longer for it), eating new foods, getting used to nursery (very happy
now) etc.. But I do have it in my mind that bottles aren't great and we
will start the transition now. As he downs the stuff fast he never sits
there sucking on a bottle, so I'm not over concerned about his teeth
and speech. He only ever drinks water, which is from a cup.

Thanks for all the advice. It certainly helped clarify everything for
us and how to proceed. Meanwhile he still enjoys an extra comfort feed
now and then (two molars coming through at once - ouch!!) so that's one
kind of milk we have no plans to transition from.

Ta

Jeni

Jeni wrote:
so we know what he eats. As for the bottles issue, seen as he has only
just turned 1 we are not sweating it. But what we will do is gradually
introduce more milk in cups and less in bottles.

You might want to ask other more experienced people about this, I've not had
to get rid of bottles in quite the same way, but I have a horrible suspicion
it gets harder later, not easier.

Anne