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Gotta keep it from The Children
"Stevet Thompson" wrote in message om... Banty wrote in message ... [snip] I'm really, really down deep disgusted with the whole tobacco thing. It's a really stupid, addictive, expensive (personally and to society), destructive, valueless thing to be defending, to be calling on others' tolerance continually for. As a smoker who finds many common habits of non-smoker's somewhat irritating, I'll state that as long as people like you can find nothing better to whine about, I will be grinding my cigarette butts into the sidewalk, or tossing them wherever I want. I will smoke indoors whenever I feel there's a reasonable chance that I won't get caught. The Problem, Exhibit A. P. Tierney |
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"Pockets of Resistance" wrote in message
... On 23 Jun 2003 08:49:31 -0700, Banty wrote: Come back with another "Aint it Awful" about something else "for the chiiiillldren" - the OP really blew it and picked the wrong subject for this one! No, I didn't. The law was specifically passed to keep the very *sight* of people smoking away from The Children. It explains why smoking is allowed in parts of the park where The Children are not encouraged to congregate. a local anti-smoking lobby released last week the scintillating fact that, in the year prior to taking up smoking, x percent of teenagers had seen a character in a film smoking - therefore characters in films shouldn't smoke because it clearly leads to children commencing the habit. it's hard to know whether to laugh or cry, sometimes. I guess today's parents are so gutless and uninfluential in their children's lives that such protection is needed. no - you're just trying to have a dig at parents which is unwarranted. by the time children commence smoking their parent's influence is, by nature, greatly lessened, because it is the nature of humans to break free of parental bonds at that age. if you want to have a dig at someone, put it at the feet of people who propose dubious laws. it sounds to me like *they* wish to have control out of all proportion to their entitlement to do so. kylie -- First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me. ~ Martin Niemoeller |
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:33:13 +1000, "0tterbot"
wrote: but from a practical p.o.v. - who on earth would know the number, be able to write down the car's numberplate while tooling down the highway, etc. it's all a bit hard in practice, innit. it *is* nice to see that it will work if pursued, though! There was a story on "A Current Affair" or "Today Tonight" about a man who has a notepad attached to his dash. He writes down all the number plates of people throwing butts out the window. He then calls and dobs them in. He probably isn't the only person who does it. ==Daye== E-mail: brendana AT labyrinth DOT net DOT au moderator of the proposed group misc.kids.family-life |
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Banty wrote in message ...
In article , says... The short of it is that I simply don't give a #### about your delicate [Peeve: Net Nanny. It's not like any children (other than the mental kind) use this computer, so I don't really see the logic involved in its mandated installation at this location. But it probably make some militant bible-thumper happy.] sensibilities, r.e. smoking. Get a life. I have one. How big is it? Yours, on the other hand, you've taken upon yourself to endanger. Well, you're correct on purely technical grounds. It's true, my smoking increases my risk of heart `disease' and a number of other maladies. However, I happen to be subject to much more severe risks that are not of my own making, and that does tend to push awareness of smoking risks outside of my normal day-to-day considerations. I suppose that's an excuse. Regards, Steve Cheers, Banty |
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"P. Tierney" wrote in message news:zCKJa.2217$3d.1395@sccrnsc02...
"Stevet Thompson" wrote in message om... Banty wrote in message ... [snip] I'm really, really down deep disgusted with the whole tobacco thing. It's a really stupid, addictive, expensive (personally and to society), destructive, valueless thing to be defending, to be calling on others' tolerance continually for. As a smoker who finds many common habits of non-smoker's somewhat irritating, I'll state that as long as people like you can find nothing better to whine about, I will be grinding my cigarette butts into the sidewalk, or tossing them wherever I want. I will smoke indoors whenever I feel there's a reasonable chance that I won't get caught. The Problem, Exhibit A. Fortunately, there is no anti-smoker SWAT battalion in this city, and so the burden of proof is on non-smokers, who will have to follow me around wherever I travel in the hopes of catching me with a lit smoke. Further, since anti-smoking laws are by nature municipal, there is no legal precident which would allow j. random citizen to apprehend or detain. Therefore, I feel quite confident that when I smoke in your office-tower's stairwell, or in the bathroom, or even when I blow smoke in your church's HVAC intake, there is little chance that I'll be inconvenienced in the slightest even if caught. Regards, Steve -- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. |
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"Stevet Thompson" wrote in message om... "P. Tierney" wrote in message news:zCKJa.2217$3d.1395@sccrnsc02... "Stevet Thompson" wrote in message om... Banty wrote in message ... [snip] I'm really, really down deep disgusted with the whole tobacco thing. It's a really stupid, addictive, expensive (personally and to society), destructive, valueless thing to be defending, to be calling on others' tolerance continually for. As a smoker who finds many common habits of non-smoker's somewhat irritating, I'll state that as long as people like you can find nothing better to whine about, I will be grinding my cigarette butts into the sidewalk, or tossing them wherever I want. I will smoke indoors whenever I feel there's a reasonable chance that I won't get caught. The Problem, Exhibit A. Fortunately, there is no anti-smoker SWAT battalion in this city, and so the burden of proof is on non-smokers, who will have to follow me around wherever I travel in the hopes of catching me with a lit smoke. Further, since anti-smoking laws are by nature municipal, there is no legal precident which would allow j. random citizen to apprehend or detain. Therefore, I feel quite confident that when I smoke in your office-tower's stairwell, or in the bathroom, or even when I blow smoke in your church's HVAC intake, there is little chance that I'll be inconvenienced in the slightest even if caught. Maybe I'll leave by your credo and start dropping the drawers and crapping in public places. And they don't like the smell -- tough! I'm livin' free, man!!! And there are no anti-crapper SWAT battalions in this city, so people will have to follow me around to catch me. And then what?!?! No legal precedent allows j.random citizen to apprehend and detain me and my crap. So... yeah! Let's give those uptight !^@#@ what they deserve!!! If they don't like the smell of my feces on the street, they can go to freakin' China! Man, I feel so intelligent. P. Tierney |
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In article , ==Daye== says...
On 23 Jun 2003 09:51:05 -0700, Banty wrote: If this were an anti-cursing law, I'd be with you. I wouldn't. Cursing happens in the real world. Children hear whether you want them to or not. Words like "ass," "hell," and "damn" are even on TV. You misunderstand. Read it again. I wouldn't support an anti-cursing law. Banty |
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In article , "LaTreen says...
x-no-archive: yes Do you raise as big a fuss when people change diapers in public? Do you object when people bring their children into public pools wearing swim diapers (that release fecal matter - a PROVEN health hazard) into public pools? Both are an entitlement issue with parents. How many times are diapers changed in cafes and airplanes? I WILL smoke outside. When I wait for a bus - I go under the shelter with everyone else and I DO light up. If people are there with children I make a point to stand by them. You can take your ill-behaved children anywhere you want. I WILL smoke where ever I am allowed to by law. If they don't like it, they can move - that's the entitlement attitude that applies to me when your children are obnoxious and ill-mannered. There is an law against smoking in an athletic field near my house and I will smoke there until I am fined for it. If I am fined, I will drag the case out in court as long as I can to run up the cost and waste the town's money. I see the litter left behind by breeders from little league and the feces left from the dog owners. These people don't care about the public - why should I? LaTreen Washington The Problem Exhibit B. Banty |
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Banty wrote in message ...
In article , says... Well, the law being that certain folks will have to leave a nasty, destructive habit at home, the only harm would be that there's a law. Unecessary laws are bad. Yes, unnecessary laws are, IMO, VERY bad. I don't like restricting anyone's freedom unnecessary. But, in tha face of "**** you", "what's your problem", butts and ashes flicked everywhere, folks have not much option but to put up with the crap, not use the park, or take public spaces back via laws. Folks are tired of it. I put the blame for the laws square at the feet of a lot of the smokers. I put the blame for the laws square at the feet of those who propose them and lobby for them. Why are they seeking a solution through the law and why are they insisting on banning smoking whether they are around to be bothered or not? Oh - I dunno - mebbe it's "**** You", keyed cars, and other general intimidation that people meet up with nowdays when asking for consideration. It's the only real answser to pervasive social intimidation - the force of law. I'm sorry, but let me see if I have this straight. You feel that the society you live in is so pervasively rude that we need to require courtesy (such as not smoking around those who object) by force of law if we expect to get it? And that requiring people not to smoke OUTDOORS WHEN NO ONE ELSE IS AROUND is a reasonable cost if that's what it takes? Am I correctly interpreting your opinon? You should pretty much assume that there are *always* people around to be bothered. It fits reality much better (in fact, pusing this notion in itself is a form of social intimidation) than assuming that folks who are bothered by smoking are a small group of curmugeons. I'm not assuming that folks who are bothered by smoking are a small group of curmugeons. I'm assuming that it isn't too much trouble, in an outdoor setting, for them to either remove themselves from the offender or to ask the offender to stop. I'll grant you that the offender may not always stop, but that's really a rare occurrance, especially if one asks politely. Further, I think the small minority of smokers who won't accomodate such a request is going to be the same small minority that would flaut the law if there were one. Actually, the person I think you're referring to has stated that he would, if requested, stop or move. He's also talked about how rudely he has seen non-smokers behave when asking smokers to quit. I think he has a point. I've never had a smoker be rude to me and insist on continuing to blow smoke into my face. I suspect that those who regularly encounter rude smokers are, to some extent, creating the situation by being rude in way they phrase their request to stop. Not always, but I'm certain it happens sometimes. I don't think that the smokers are entirely to blame for the problem. I *have* seen smokers be rude in response to reasonable, quiet requests. And, like I've said elsewhere, smoking being so inherently intrusive and trash-producing, it doens't take much inconsideration to make a huge impact. A *huge* impact in an outdoor setting? I think this is an exaggeration. And, as has been pointed out, as with other innately smelly and bothersome and intrusive things, the burden is on the SMOKER to be discreet and polite. "Mind if I fart?" Not at all madam. Fart all you like. However, I think I will take this opportune time to bid you adieu. It's been an interesting conversation, but I have other things to attend to. ANd I'd just as soon leave before the atmosphere deteriates. |
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"==Daye==" wrote in message
... On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:33:13 +1000, "0tterbot" wrote: but from a practical p.o.v. - who on earth would know the number, be able to write down the car's numberplate while tooling down the highway, etc. it's all a bit hard in practice, innit. it *is* nice to see that it will work if pursued, though! There was a story on "A Current Affair" or "Today Tonight" about a man who has a notepad attached to his dash. He writes down all the number plates of people throwing butts out the window. He then calls and dobs them in. He probably isn't the only person who does it. probably not. i hope he also writes down people who run red lights - a habit which has reached epic proportions in my area. kylie |
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