Breastfeeding not medically necessary

"Lady Penelope Creighton-Ward" wrote in message
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Anne Rogers wrote:
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Yes, I was devastated at the time, but I had to accept the situation
for the baby's sake. I cried my eyes out for several days, and then
decided to stop being sad. It's funny what determination can do. I am
okay with it now, but every once in a while when the topic comes up I
well up.


You were incredible in the lengths that you went to to try and breast feed.
You should definately feel proud of yourself for what you did for your
daughter. As Anne has said, formula exists for a reason, and your case is
one of those reasons.

Can't help with the insurance issue though, as I don't know the US system.

Glad to hear that things are going well for you otherwise,

Suzanne

Suzanne S wrote:
"Lady Penelope Creighton-Ward" wrote in message
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Anne Rogers wrote:
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Yes, I was devastated at the time, but I had to accept the situation
for the baby's sake. I cried my eyes out for several days, and then
decided to stop being sad. It's funny what determination can do. I am
okay with it now, but every once in a while when the topic comes up I
well up.


You were incredible in the lengths that you went to to try and breast feed.
You should definately feel proud of yourself for what you did for your
daughter. As Anne has said, formula exists for a reason, and your case is
one of those reasons.

Can't help with the insurance issue though, as I don't know the US system.

Glad to hear that things are going well for you otherwise,

Suzanne

Suzanne, I really appreciate that you remembered me! The support I got
here at the time really meant a lot to me. Thank you!

For all those struggling with breastfeeding issues, you can join a
group called MOBI (Mothers Overcoming Breastfeeding Issues)
). And those who've had to deal with an inability
to breastfeed may find support at Breastfeeding Grief
).

For all those struggling with breastfeeding issues, you can join a
group called MOBI (Mothers Overcoming Breastfeeding Issues)
). And those who've had to deal with an inability
to breastfeed may find support at Breastfeeding Grief
).

what are those groups like? now finding you can't because of a previous
surgery or that you congentitially have insufficient glandular tissue, or a
life threatening medical condition where the drugs are just not safe for
breastfeeding, now all those seem things that deserve support in the grief
group, but I'd be frightened of people coming there who whilst they grieve
the loss of their breastfeeding relationship, that it's also for much more
controllable reasons and in many ways there own choices, I'm not saying that
they don't also need support, but it can be hard to find the right place and
if I really couldn't I'd be gutted if I mother came along and say she
couldn't and it turned out that she had cracked nipples, used a nipple
shield and eventually her supply dwindled, because she could had things been
different, whereas for you, Penny, you truely can't, it's just physically
impossible.

Hope no one takes this the wrong way, I'm just curious as to the dynamic of
the groups, there doesn't seem to be that many yahoo groups that do exactly
what they say on the tin

Anne

Lady Penelope Creighton-Ward wrote:

We managed to hold off on supplementing only for the first four nights.
She cried so desperately that we had to give in. Initially I didn't
feed her myself, to avoid nipple confusion, so my husband did. In a
way it helped them get closer. In the meantime, I'd keep her on the
breast and she sucked and sucked but nothing came out. About a week
into it, she realised it was hopeless and would turn her head away. It
was torturous for both of us, and it broke my heart, let me tell you.

[hugs]

Very glad to hear she's doing well.
--
Cheri Stryker

mom to DS1 - 7 yrs, and DS2 - 3.5 months

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Anne Rogers wrote:
For all those struggling with breastfeeding issues, you can join a
group called MOBI (Mothers Overcoming Breastfeeding Issues)
). And those who've had to deal with an inability
to breastfeed may find support at Breastfeeding Grief
).

what are those groups like? now finding you can't because of a previous
surgery or that you congentitially have insufficient glandular tissue, or a
life threatening medical condition where the drugs are just not safe for
breastfeeding, now all those seem things that deserve support in the grief
group, but I'd be frightened of people coming there who whilst they grieve
the loss of their breastfeeding relationship, that it's also for much more
controllable reasons and in many ways there own choices, I'm not saying that
they don't also need support, but it can be hard to find the right place and
if I really couldn't I'd be gutted if I mother came along and say she
couldn't and it turned out that she had cracked nipples, used a nipple
shield and eventually her supply dwindled, because she could had things been
different, whereas for you, Penny, you truely can't, it's just physically
impossible.

Hope no one takes this the wrong way, I'm just curious as to the dynamic of
the groups, there doesn't seem to be that many yahoo groups that do exactly
what they say on the tin

Anne

I think these are what they say they are. They're moderated and in
order to join you need to tell your story and the moderator will then
publish it for the group, and you get advice and support from mums
who've gone through similar problems. What's nice is that these are
all women who've really gone to great lengths to try to breastfeed and
are genuinely unhappy about not being able to do it, or about doing it
with great difficulty. You get mothers who pump constantly and are
completely exhausted and just need a word of encouragement and
understanding. Or mothers whose baby has a congenital defect that
prevents them from latching on properly, and they seek suggestions on
how to get the breastfeeding going anyway. You get suggestions on what
to say when you get judgemental comments from strangers who see you
bottle-feeding.

The only thing I found hard about being a member of these groups is
that when I had to give up, and finally got over the grief, I didn't
want to be reminded of it any more, and obviously these groups send you
lots of mail that's all about this thing you're hoping not to think
about any more. I think it does help if you continue to dwell on it
and need a place to vent and hear sympathetic responses.

(I noticed that Google hid the email address of the groups, so I'll say
it again: the first is mobi at yahoogroups dot com, and the second is
breastfeeding-grief at yahoogroups dot com.)

Lady Penelope Creighton-Ward wrote:

Anyway, she's a real little Buddha right now, loves her bottle, loves
to eat. She's kept to the 75th-80th percentile by weight the whole
time yet she's only at about the 55th by height. I keep wondering if
she remembers on some level how hungry she was after birth and wants to
eat up now to make up for it.

I think that may be what happened with Jamie. He had a tongue tie which
wasn't snipped until he was two months (long story), and he barely
gained weight in that time because he couldn't suck properly. Once it
was snipped he started gaining at a normal rate, but of course my supply
wasn't brilliant by then, despite me doing a *lot* of pumping to try to
catch up. So he couldn't put on the extra weight he needed to catch up.

Then I went back to work when he was four months old, and he was
bottle-fed at home. He got through *astonishing* amounts. I mean, he
would be going through 25 - 30 fluid ounces during the time I was at
work, sometimes more. I couldn't remotely keep up with that by pumping,
and he was through my stash in less than two weeks, so we supplemented.
He kept on drinking that amount for months. His growth chart is
practically a right-angle - almost flat for the first couple of months,
then hurtling upwards after I started work and he could do the catching
up. He was _really_ enthusiastic about food for his entire first year -
would happily try anything and liked almost all of it. I always felt he
was trying to make up for lost time.

He's more take-it-or-leave-it about food now, which I think is because
he caught up - he was on the 98th centile at last weighing, despite
being quite a bit lower down the centiles on height.

Sorry to hear that you didn't have any luck with breastfeeding, but well
done for trying!


All the best,

Sarah

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"That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be" - P. C. Hodgell

"Anne Rogers" wrote

Anyway, she's a real little Buddha right now, loves her bottle, loves
to eat. She's kept to the 75th-80th percentile by weight the whole
time yet she's only at about the 55th by height. I keep wondering if
she remembers on some level how hungry she was after birth and wants to
eat up now to make up for it.

that's interesting, I've heard a couple of people say similar recently,
one
because the milk wasn't get through because not all her ducts and
reattached
after a breast reduction and another because the baby had an undiagnosed
cleft palate, so despite trying very hard he just couldn't get the
available
milk out. Both have mentioned that their child seems afraid to let a
bottle
go as if they can remember that early lack of food!

My two were both like that too :-(.

Jean
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LeinsterFreecycle/

DD June '02
DS May '05

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"Lady Penelope Creighton-Ward" wrote:

So says my insurance company, having rejected a claim from a specialist
at the Faulkner Breast Centre who tried a procedure to open my milk
pores to enable me to breastfeed my newborn four months ago.

I am outraged and helpless.

I remember you and your difficulties and hope that the suggestions here will
help you get justice.

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may
start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled."
Kerry Cue

Hi,

I'm really sorry about your problems with insurance.I wouldn't expect
too much from insurance companies in America, if it is not in your
policy they won't cover it however illogical. My son was having trouble
breathing. The doctor at the urgent care clinic put him on oxygen and
ordered an ambulance to the hospital. Later, we had to pay for the
ambulance!!! The insurance also said it wasn't medically necessary as
he hadn't been admited to the hospital (the hospital just treated and
released him) !!!!!

Helen

Lady Penelope Creighton-Ward wrote:
So says my insurance company, having rejected a claim from a specialist
at the Faulkner Breast Centre who tried a procedure to open my milk
pores to enable me to breastfeed my newborn four months ago.

I am outraged and helpless.

Well, that sucks big time.

How about a different approach? Such as: medically necessary to
rescue normal function of the milk ducts. Breastfeeding evidently is
not medically necessary for your baby, because she is thriving on
formula. But normally functioning milk ducts may be medically
necessary for you: prevention of mastitis and other direct effects of
the blockage; indirect effects such as lower risk of breast cancer,
etc. Those reasons might add up to a stronger case for medical
necessity.