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  #1  
Old July 23rd 06, 11:41 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing
john
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Default Anaphylactic children

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/hoffman.html

With hundreds of new vaccines in the pipeline, how much longer can we
continue to inject more and more foreign proteins via vaccination into human
beings without eventually creating a totally defenseless population? How
many more children will become anaphylactic, be rushed to emergency fighting
for their lives or die before something is done?


  #2  
Old July 23rd 06, 02:49 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing
Jeff
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Default Anaphylactic children


"john" wrote in message
...
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/hoffman.html

With hundreds of new vaccines in the pipeline, how much longer can we
continue to inject more and more foreign proteins via vaccination into
human beings without eventually creating a totally defenseless population?
How many more children will become anaphylactic, be rushed to emergency
fighting for their lives or die before something is done?


Again, you've got it backwards. Vaccination doesn't make one defenseless: It
enables the body to fight disease. And vaccinations work wonders. They have
eliminated smallpox from the planet (except for some in storage under lock
and key), almost totally eliminated measles from the US, cut down greatly on
deaths from chicken pox, almost totally prevented rubella-related birth
defects, decreased greatly meningitis from invasive Hib bacteria and have
prevent other diseases as well.

Very few children have anaphylactic reactions to vaccines.

Something is being done: The drug companies are required to show that the
vaccines are safe and effective. And physicians are required to report
adverse events that occur after a vaccine is given.

Jeff


  #3  
Old July 24th 06, 11:42 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing
john
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Default Anaphylactic children


"Jeff" wrote in message
nk.net...



Again, you've got it backwards. Vaccination doesn't make one defenseless:
It enables the body to fight disease. And vaccinations work wonders. They
have eliminated smallpox from the planet (except for some in storage under
lock and key), almost totally eliminated measles from the US, cut down
greatly on deaths from chicken pox, almost totally prevented
rubella-related birth defects, decreased greatly meningitis from invasive
Hib bacteria and have prevent other diseases as well.

Very few children have anaphylactic reactions to vaccines.

Something is being done: The drug companies are required to show that the
vaccines are safe and effective. And physicians are required to report
adverse events that occur after a vaccine is given.

Jeff


Yes, all true in Allopath Land
http://www.mercola.com/townofallopat...ofallopath.htm

say high to Big ears


  #4  
Old July 24th 06, 11:51 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing
Jeff
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Default Anaphylactic children


"john" wrote in message
...

"Jeff" wrote in message
nk.net...



Again, you've got it backwards. Vaccination doesn't make one defenseless:
It enables the body to fight disease. And vaccinations work wonders. They
have eliminated smallpox from the planet (except for some in storage
under lock and key), almost totally eliminated measles from the US, cut
down greatly on deaths from chicken pox, almost totally prevented
rubella-related birth defects, decreased greatly meningitis from invasive
Hib bacteria and have prevent other diseases as well.

Very few children have anaphylactic reactions to vaccines.

Something is being done: The drug companies are required to show that the
vaccines are safe and effective. And physicians are required to report
adverse events that occur after a vaccine is given.

Jeff


Yes, all true in Allopath Land
http://www.mercola.com/townofallopat...ofallopath.htm

say high to Big ears


That's the best comeback you can do.

How sad.

What I said is true in real life. And backed by real science.

Jeff


  #5  
Old July 25th 06, 10:08 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing
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Default Vaccines HAVE to go, there can be no compromise on this issue.

Jeff wrote;

1. Vaccines save lives.
2. Vaccines strengthen the defence system.
3. Drug companies ensure that vaccines are safe.
4. Vaccines are based upon "real" science.
5. Very few children suffer vaccine reactions.
6. Doctors take care of adverse reactions.

I repeat ad infinitum;

1. That vaccines save lives is disputed by statistics available. The
diseases vaccines "saved us" from were already on the wane when the
vaccines were introduced. When an epidemic strikes it is always
advisable to go to the root of the problem (usually hygiene, nutrition,
individual immuno deficiency) than waste time on vaccinations that
create a false sense of security and exacerbate the next epidemic by
reducing the immunity of the population.

2. Vaccines do not strengthen the defence system, they weaken it. This
is why babies start suffering from fevers, colds, diarrhoea, dysentery,
irritable behaviour after the vaccines are delivered. You cannot make a
person more healthy than he is by introducing in him the dangerous
vaccine contents.

3. Drug companies ensure their survival and profits. The FDA has only
today sought to clear itself of the allegations of misdemeanour against
it. Some of its officials have argued that it is "normal" to do
research with funds from the drug industry. Then why the huge uproar
about the fundings of Dr Wakefields research? The next time they will
say that it is "normal" to fudge reports and allow dangerous drugs and
vaccines into the market.

4. Vaccines do not conform to any science. It is a bluff that the
medical industry does not want to disown. They have taken a serious
risk by continuing with vaccinations and now they just have to support
it fearing backlash if they don't. The vaccines also help the peds and
politicians earn their big fat incomes.

5. Very few children suffer vaccine reactions? Has the entire data in
all the countries where vaccines are administered ever been compiled?
The word "vaccine reaction" is not even uttered in public in Third
World countries. Children in these countries suffer "polio like
diseases", meningitis, encephalitis, auto immune disorders, shocks and
seizures due to "fear of the vaccine process", irritability, bowel
pains, etc. after getting the shots. The deaths are often put down as
"deaths due to malnourishment". There are never any vaccine reactions
or deaths.

6. Vaccine reactions are rarely acknowledged by doctors until they are
threatened with legal actions or are reported to the police. Then they
blame the vaccine storage process, the particular batch being faulty,
wrong administration etc. I am personally yet to come across any doctor
in India who admits in public that vaccines can cause disease and
death. Four years ago, in the year 2002, an Indian doctor had gone to
the press with the information. He has since been "suitably chastised".

The vaccine supporters have blood on their hands. Unless vaccines are
stopped, chemical toxins are stopped, suppressive medication is
stopped, and the doctors are taught holistic healing methods, the
population of the world can never hope to acquire good health. This has
been proved by the developments in the last 200 odd years of allopathic
dominance where we see crisis after crisis on an worsening scale.

Regards,
Jagannath,
Vaccine victim.

Jeff wrote:
Again, you've got it backwards. Vaccination doesn't make one defenseless:
It enables the body to fight disease. And vaccinations work wonders. They
have eliminated smallpox from the planet (except for some in storage
under lock and key), almost totally eliminated measles from the US, cut
down greatly on deaths from chicken pox, almost totally prevented
rubella-related birth defects, decreased greatly meningitis from invasive
Hib bacteria and have prevent other diseases as well.

Very few children have anaphylactic reactions to vaccines.

Something is being done: The drug companies are required to show that the
vaccines are safe and effective. And physicians are required to report
adverse events that occur after a vaccine is given.

Jeff


  #6  
Old July 25th 06, 10:32 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing
JohnDoe
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Posts: 30
Default Vaccines HAVE to go, there can be no compromise on this issue.

wrote:
Jeff wrote;

1. Vaccines save lives.
2. Vaccines strengthen the defence system.
3. Drug companies ensure that vaccines are safe.
4. Vaccines are based upon "real" science.
5. Very few children suffer vaccine reactions.
6. Doctors take care of adverse reactions.

I repeat ad infinitum;

1. That vaccines save lives is disputed by statistics available. The
diseases vaccines "saved us" from were already on the wane when the
vaccines were introduced.


Bull.

When an epidemic strikes it is always
advisable to go to the root of the problem (usually hygiene, nutrition,
individual immuno deficiency) than waste time on vaccinations that
create a false sense of security and exacerbate the next epidemic by
reducing the immunity of the population.


So, you have never read anything on how vaccines work. I'll spell it out
for you - they don't reduce the immunity of the population, they enhance
it greatly. So greatly, that 100% efficacy is not needed because of herd
immunity.

2. Vaccines do not strengthen the defence system, they weaken it. This
is why babies start suffering from fevers, colds, diarrhoea, dysentery,
irritable behaviour after the vaccines are delivered. You cannot make a
person more healthy than he is by introducing in him the dangerous
vaccine contents.


Anyone still wonder why these folks are called anti-vac *liars*?

3. Drug companies ensure their survival and profits.


By preventing people from getting sick? Sure......

The FDA has only
today sought to clear itself of the allegations of misdemeanour against
it. Some of its officials have argued that it is "normal" to do
research with funds from the drug industry. Then why the huge uproar
about the fundings of Dr Wakefields research? The next time they will
say that it is "normal" to fudge reports and allow dangerous drugs and
vaccines into the market.

4. Vaccines do not conform to any science. It is a bluff that the
medical industry does not want to disown. They have taken a serious
risk by continuing with vaccinations and now they just have to support
it fearing backlash if they don't. The vaccines also help the peds and
politicians earn their big fat incomes.


Please explain how exactly.

5. Very few children suffer vaccine reactions? Has the entire data in
all the countries where vaccines are administered ever been compiled?
The word "vaccine reaction" is not even uttered in public in Third
World countries. Children in these countries suffer "polio like
diseases", meningitis, encephalitis, auto immune disorders, shocks and
seizures due to "fear of the vaccine process", irritability, bowel
pains, etc. after getting the shots. The deaths are often put down as
"deaths due to malnourishment". There are never any vaccine reactions
or deaths.

6. Vaccine reactions are rarely acknowledged by doctors until they are
threatened with legal actions or are reported to the police. Then they
blame the vaccine storage process, the particular batch being faulty,
wrong administration etc. I am personally yet to come across any doctor
in India who admits in public that vaccines can cause disease and
death. Four years ago, in the year 2002, an Indian doctor had gone to
the press with the information. He has since been "suitably chastised".

The vaccine supporters have blood on their hands. Unless vaccines are
stopped, chemical toxins are stopped, suppressive medication is
stopped, and the doctors are taught holistic healing methods, the
population of the world can never hope to acquire good health. This has
been proved by the developments in the last 200 odd years of allopathic
dominance where we see crisis after crisis on an worsening scale.


Pray tell, where did anti-biotics come from? Organ transplants?
Angioplasty? Why is cancer no longer a certain deathsentence? Why do
people with AIDS survive for many years nowadays? Why is syphilis no
longer a deathsentence? Why oh why? And that's just a start. Care to
name any disease that was untreatable till holistic healing came up with
a cure? Just one?

Regards,
Jagannath,
Vaccine victim.


Anti-vac lying childhater you mean. Why else would you want children to
suffer from preventable diseases?

Jeff wrote:

Again, you've got it backwards. Vaccination doesn't make one defenseless:
It enables the body to fight disease. And vaccinations work wonders. They
have eliminated smallpox from the planet (except for some in storage
under lock and key), almost totally eliminated measles from the US, cut
down greatly on deaths from chicken pox, almost totally prevented
rubella-related birth defects, decreased greatly meningitis from invasive
Hib bacteria and have prevent other diseases as well.

Very few children have anaphylactic reactions to vaccines.

Something is being done: The drug companies are required to show that the
vaccines are safe and effective. And physicians are required to report
adverse events that occur after a vaccine is given.

Jeff



  #7  
Old July 25th 06, 10:49 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing
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Default Vaccines HAVE to go, there can be no compromise on this issue.

BULL to all your arguments.

First ask the vaccine industry to conduct all the tests we are asking
them to. Again ad infinitum,

1. Long term tests involving children of all constituent types, of all
countries, of all races. As per vaccine researchers such tests are
needed but would be expensive.

2. Tests comparing vaccinated children with a non vaccinated
population.

3. Tests with each vaccine component and also with all of them
together.

4. Tests for the effects of multiple vaccinations.

We all know how all thimerosal tests on mice have brought out the nerve
damaging effects. I bet it will be the same and more if the above tests
are conducted in a free and fair manner.

"Real" science says, till all the above studies are complete and
studied, the entire vaccination process should be IMMEDIATELY STOPPED.

"Herd immunity"? Yes, that is why children should be allowed to grow
normally with the inherent natural exposure to the environment and
other children. That is how children achieve "herd immunity".

Once the above tests are over we will know who the child killers are. I
do not like "child lovers" who let the children disintegrate into
autoimmune disorder wrecks on the pretext of "saving them" from
perfectly curable acute illnesses. If they cannot cure acute illnesses
then let them sit at the feet of holistic healers and learn.

Jagannath.


4.
JohnDoe wrote:
wrote:
Jeff wrote;

1. Vaccines save lives.
2. Vaccines strengthen the defence system.
3. Drug companies ensure that vaccines are safe.
4. Vaccines are based upon "real" science.
5. Very few children suffer vaccine reactions.
6. Doctors take care of adverse reactions.

I repeat ad infinitum;

1. That vaccines save lives is disputed by statistics available. The
diseases vaccines "saved us" from were already on the wane when the
vaccines were introduced.


Bull.

When an epidemic strikes it is always
advisable to go to the root of the problem (usually hygiene, nutrition,
individual immuno deficiency) than waste time on vaccinations that
create a false sense of security and exacerbate the next epidemic by
reducing the immunity of the population.


So, you have never read anything on how vaccines work. I'll spell it out
for you - they don't reduce the immunity of the population, they enhance
it greatly. So greatly, that 100% efficacy is not needed because of herd
immunity.

2. Vaccines do not strengthen the defence system, they weaken it. This
is why babies start suffering from fevers, colds, diarrhoea, dysentery,
irritable behaviour after the vaccines are delivered. You cannot make a
person more healthy than he is by introducing in him the dangerous
vaccine contents.


Anyone still wonder why these folks are called anti-vac *liars*?

3. Drug companies ensure their survival and profits.


By preventing people from getting sick? Sure......

The FDA has only
today sought to clear itself of the allegations of misdemeanour against
it. Some of its officials have argued that it is "normal" to do
research with funds from the drug industry. Then why the huge uproar
about the fundings of Dr Wakefields research? The next time they will
say that it is "normal" to fudge reports and allow dangerous drugs and
vaccines into the market.

4. Vaccines do not conform to any science. It is a bluff that the
medical industry does not want to disown. They have taken a serious
risk by continuing with vaccinations and now they just have to support
it fearing backlash if they don't. The vaccines also help the peds and
politicians earn their big fat incomes.


Please explain how exactly.

5. Very few children suffer vaccine reactions? Has the entire data in
all the countries where vaccines are administered ever been compiled?
The word "vaccine reaction" is not even uttered in public in Third
World countries. Children in these countries suffer "polio like
diseases", meningitis, encephalitis, auto immune disorders, shocks and
seizures due to "fear of the vaccine process", irritability, bowel
pains, etc. after getting the shots. The deaths are often put down as
"deaths due to malnourishment". There are never any vaccine reactions
or deaths.

6. Vaccine reactions are rarely acknowledged by doctors until they are
threatened with legal actions or are reported to the police. Then they
blame the vaccine storage process, the particular batch being faulty,
wrong administration etc. I am personally yet to come across any doctor
in India who admits in public that vaccines can cause disease and
death. Four years ago, in the year 2002, an Indian doctor had gone to
the press with the information. He has since been "suitably chastised".

The vaccine supporters have blood on their hands. Unless vaccines are
stopped, chemical toxins are stopped, suppressive medication is
stopped, and the doctors are taught holistic healing methods, the
population of the world can never hope to acquire good health. This has
been proved by the developments in the last 200 odd years of allopathic
dominance where we see crisis after crisis on an worsening scale.


Pray tell, where did anti-biotics come from? Organ transplants?
Angioplasty? Why is cancer no longer a certain deathsentence? Why do
people with AIDS survive for many years nowadays? Why is syphilis no
longer a deathsentence? Why oh why? And that's just a start. Care to
name any disease that was untreatable till holistic healing came up with
a cure? Just one?

Regards,
Jagannath,
Vaccine victim.


Anti-vac lying childhater you mean. Why else would you want children to
suffer from preventable diseases?


  #8  
Old July 25th 06, 11:14 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing
JohnDoe
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Posts: 30
Default Vaccines HAVE to go, there can be no compromise on this issue.

wrote:

BULL to all your arguments.

First ask the vaccine industry to conduct all the tests we are asking
them to. Again ad infinitum,


Ad nauseam applies to your BS, and childhating personality.

1. Long term tests involving children of all constituent types, of all
countries, of all races. As per vaccine researchers such tests are
needed but would be expensive.

2. Tests comparing vaccinated children with a non vaccinated
population.


There you have it, your hate of children. You want to see them suffer
from polio? Or would that be too mild? We know how infectious diseases
spread through the population, you idiot. We can see it when an
infectious disease pops up in an area where there no or barely any
vaccination.

3. Tests with each vaccine component and also with all of them
together.

4. Tests for the effects of multiple vaccinations.

We all know how all thimerosal tests on mice have brought out the nerve
damaging effects. I bet it will be the same and more if the above tests
are conducted in a free and fair manner.


No, we do not all know how thimerosal caused nerve damage in mice. You
should read up on how that particular research was conducted.

"Real" science says, till all the above studies are complete and
studied, the entire vaccination process should be IMMEDIATELY STOPPED.

"Herd immunity"? Yes, that is why children should be allowed to grow
normally with the inherent natural exposure to the environment and
other children. That is how children achieve "herd immunity".


Ah, you're one of those idiots who wants to infect children on purpose
so that they become immune. To bad for those wo will die or suffer
permanent damage. The whole point of vaccination is to confer immunity
without getting sick and taking all the risks associated with the
diseaase. Are you a eugenetics fan? Cause it sure looks like your in
favor of 'weeding out the weak'.

Once the above tests are over we will know who the child killers are.
I do not like "child lovers" who let the children disintegrate into
autoimmune disorder wrecks on the pretext of "saving them" from
perfectly curable acute illnesses. If they cannot cure acute illnesses
then let them sit at the feet of holistic healers and learn.


I asked you to name one acute illness that 'holistic healers' can treat.
You haven't named one. I can only assume because you can't. But still
promote 'holistic healers' for sick children. What are we to think of that?

Jagannath.


4.
JohnDoe wrote:

wrote:

Jeff wrote;

1. Vaccines save lives.
2. Vaccines strengthen the defence system.
3. Drug companies ensure that vaccines are safe.
4. Vaccines are based upon "real" science.
5. Very few children suffer vaccine reactions.
6. Doctors take care of adverse reactions.

I repeat ad infinitum;

1. That vaccines save lives is disputed by statistics available. The
diseases vaccines "saved us" from were already on the wane when the
vaccines were introduced.


Bull.


When an epidemic strikes it is always
advisable to go to the root of the problem (usually hygiene, nutrition,
individual immuno deficiency) than waste time on vaccinations that
create a false sense of security and exacerbate the next epidemic by
reducing the immunity of the population.


So, you have never read anything on how vaccines work. I'll spell it out
for you - they don't reduce the immunity of the population, they enhance
it greatly. So greatly, that 100% efficacy is not needed because of herd
immunity.


2. Vaccines do not strengthen the defence system, they weaken it. This
is why babies start suffering from fevers, colds, diarrhoea, dysentery,
irritable behaviour after the vaccines are delivered. You cannot make a
person more healthy than he is by introducing in him the dangerous
vaccine contents.


Anyone still wonder why these folks are called anti-vac *liars*?


3. Drug companies ensure their survival and profits.


By preventing people from getting sick? Sure......


The FDA has only
today sought to clear itself of the allegations of misdemeanour against
it. Some of its officials have argued that it is "normal" to do
research with funds from the drug industry. Then why the huge uproar
about the fundings of Dr Wakefields research? The next time they will
say that it is "normal" to fudge reports and allow dangerous drugs and
vaccines into the market.

4. Vaccines do not conform to any science. It is a bluff that the
medical industry does not want to disown. They have taken a serious
risk by continuing with vaccinations and now they just have to support
it fearing backlash if they don't. The vaccines also help the peds and
politicians earn their big fat incomes.


Please explain how exactly.


5. Very few children suffer vaccine reactions? Has the entire data in
all the countries where vaccines are administered ever been compiled?
The word "vaccine reaction" is not even uttered in public in Third
World countries. Children in these countries suffer "polio like
diseases", meningitis, encephalitis, auto immune disorders, shocks and
seizures due to "fear of the vaccine process", irritability, bowel
pains, etc. after getting the shots. The deaths are often put down as
"deaths due to malnourishment". There are never any vaccine reactions
or deaths.

6. Vaccine reactions are rarely acknowledged by doctors until they are
threatened with legal actions or are reported to the police. Then they
blame the vaccine storage process, the particular batch being faulty,
wrong administration etc. I am personally yet to come across any doctor
in India who admits in public that vaccines can cause disease and
death. Four years ago, in the year 2002, an Indian doctor had gone to
the press with the information. He has since been "suitably chastised".

The vaccine supporters have blood on their hands. Unless vaccines are
stopped, chemical toxins are stopped, suppressive medication is
stopped, and the doctors are taught holistic healing methods, the
population of the world can never hope to acquire good health. This has
been proved by the developments in the last 200 odd years of allopathic
dominance where we see crisis after crisis on an worsening scale.


Pray tell, where did anti-biotics come from? Organ transplants?
Angioplasty? Why is cancer no longer a certain deathsentence? Why do
people with AIDS survive for many years nowadays? Why is syphilis no
longer a deathsentence? Why oh why? And that's just a start. Care to
name any disease that was untreatable till holistic healing came up with
a cure? Just one?


Regards,
Jagannath,
Vaccine victim.


Anti-vac lying childhater you mean. Why else would you want children to
suffer from preventable diseases?



  #9  
Old July 25th 06, 12:30 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing
Jeff
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Posts: 1,321
Default Vaccines HAVE to go, there can be no compromise on this issue.


wrote in message
ups.com...
Jeff wrote;

1. Vaccines save lives.
2. Vaccines strengthen the defence system.
3. Drug companies ensure that vaccines are safe.
4. Vaccines are based upon "real" science.
5. Very few children suffer vaccine reactions.
6. Doctors take care of adverse reactions.

I repeat ad infinitum;

1. That vaccines save lives is disputed by statistics available. The
diseases vaccines "saved us" from were already on the wane when the
vaccines were introduced. When an epidemic strikes it is always
advisable to go to the root of the problem (usually hygiene, nutrition,
individual immuno deficiency) than waste time on vaccinations that
create a false sense of security and exacerbate the next epidemic by
reducing the immunity of the population.


Unfortunately, what you don't understand is that the root of the problem is
that viruses and bacteria cause illness. Hygiene and nutrition help prevent
disease, for sure. But that doesn't explain why vaccines work so well in
areas with horrible hygiene and nutrition or why areas with excellent
hygiene and nutrition still have outbreaks of disease.

And vaccines create true immunity to the particular diseases that vaccines
protect against.

2. Vaccines do not strengthen the defence system, they weaken it. This
is why babies start suffering from fevers, colds, diarrhoea, dysentery,
irritable behaviour after the vaccines are delivered. You cannot make a
person more healthy than he is by introducing in him the dangerous
vaccine contents.


Vaccines cause the body to create antibodies against particular diseases.
That strengthens the immune system. Babies don't suffer any more from colds,
diarrhea or dysentery. The fevers and irrable behavior after vaccines are
short-lived and a result of the vaccines stimulating the immune system.

You state that you can't make a person more healthy with vaccines. You can.
If you consider a person who is less likely to die of a deadly disease more
healthy.

3. Drug companies ensure their survival and profits. The FDA has only
today sought to clear itself of the allegations of misdemeanour against
it. Some of its officials have argued that it is "normal" to do
research with funds from the drug industry. Then why the huge uproar
about the fundings of Dr Wakefields research? The next time they will
say that it is "normal" to fudge reports and allow dangerous drugs and
vaccines into the market.


The FDA has a lot of house-cleaning to do, for sure. But htat doesn't mean
that vaccines don't work or save lives.

4. Vaccines do not conform to any science. It is a bluff that the
medical industry does not want to disown. They have taken a serious
risk by continuing with vaccinations and now they just have to support
it fearing backlash if they don't. The vaccines also help the peds and
politicians earn their big fat incomes.


Vaccines work under the principles of immunology.
You can read about vaccines he http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccines.
There are links so you can learn about the immune system.

5. Very few children suffer vaccine reactions?\

True.

Has the entire data in
all the countries where vaccines are administered ever been compiled?


Do you have the money to do this? Should we not save lives because we can't
track every vaccine reaction?

The word "vaccine reaction" is not even uttered in public in Third
World countries. Children in these countries suffer "polio like
diseases", meningitis, encephalitis, auto immune disorders, shocks and
seizures due to "fear of the vaccine process", irritability, bowel
pains, etc. after getting the shots.


Yeah, but they suffer those problems a lot more before getting the vaccines.
The reasons why they suffer those problems have to do with poverty, hygiene
and nutrition. Vaccines get them valuable protection against particular
diseases.

The deaths are often put down as
"deaths due to malnourishment". There are never any vaccine reactions
or deaths.


There are very few deaths due to vaccine reactions. And most of the people
who die in 3rd and 4th world countries after getting vaccines would have
died anyway.

6. Vaccine reactions are rarely acknowledged by doctors until they are
threatened with legal actions or are reported to the police. Then they
blame the vaccine storage process, the particular batch being faulty,
wrong administration etc. I am personally yet to come across any doctor
in India who admits in public that vaccines can cause disease and
death. Four years ago, in the year 2002, an Indian doctor had gone to
the press with the information. He has since been "suitably chastised".


Correct. Vaccines rarely cause major illness or death. And they save many
lives every year.

The vaccine supporters have blood on their hands. Unless vaccines are
stopped, chemical toxins are stopped, suppressive medication is
stopped, and the doctors are taught holistic healing methods, the
population of the world can never hope to acquire good health. This has
been proved by the developments in the last 200 odd years of allopathic
dominance where we see crisis after crisis on an worsening scale.


The reality of life is that with everything we do, there are benefits and
risk. When I go to school later today, I could get killed if the train
crashes or crossing the street. If I stay home, I could get killed if there
is a gas leak that causes an explosion. You have to weigh the risks and the
benefits of everything. With vaccines, the benefits clearly outweight the
risks.

Look at the risks of smallpox today: There are none, thanks to vaccines.

Jeff
Regards,
Jagannath,
Vaccine victim.

Jeff wrote:
Again, you've got it backwards. Vaccination doesn't make one
defenseless:
It enables the body to fight disease. And vaccinations work wonders.
They
have eliminated smallpox from the planet (except for some in storage
under lock and key), almost totally eliminated measles from the US,
cut
down greatly on deaths from chicken pox, almost totally prevented
rubella-related birth defects, decreased greatly meningitis from
invasive
Hib bacteria and have prevent other diseases as well.

Very few children have anaphylactic reactions to vaccines.

Something is being done: The drug companies are required to show that
the
vaccines are safe and effective. And physicians are required to report
adverse events that occur after a vaccine is given.

Jeff




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Default Anaphylactic children

john writes:

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/hoffman.html

With hundreds of new vaccines in the pipeline, how much longer can we
continue to inject more and more foreign proteins via vaccination into human
beings without eventually creating a totally defenseless population? How
many more children will become anaphylactic, be rushed to emergency fighting
for their lives or die before something is done?


I'm not aware of any connection between immunization and any increased
incidence of anaphylaxis. Vaccination works in much the same way as
naturally acquired immunity.

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