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"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Rebecca Floyd" wrote in message m... Hey Jerk ... a college education is a right! If you don't believe this then I would feel very sorry for your children. You brought those children into this world ... you should give them every opportunity to have the most successful life they can possibly have. That includes giving them a college education. Access to a college education is a right. Having a college education gift wrapped and laid at your feet is not. There are scholarships, loans, and jobs available, si it isn't like anyone does not have access to a college education. I do not see why that is even in question. I believe going to college is an opportunity, not a right. If it were a right, everyone would get a college degree. Here are a few statisitics from several sources that breakdown college education facts. 86.5% of high school students complete high school. (National Center for Education) 62% of high school completers enroll in college. (National Center for Education) 59% of college enrollers graduate in 6 years. (NCAA Div-1 All-Student Graduation Rate) 31.6% of high school students complete a 4 year degree. (I did the math) Out of 1,000 HS students 865 graduate, 536 enter college, and 316 graduate within 6 years. For your information, as long as it is a Settlement Agreement, forcing a parent to provide a college education is possible. If forcing parents to pay for college for their children were done across the board, and every parent had the same requirement, that might be considered fair. Or, if we are only looking at divorced parents, both parents were ordered to pay into a college fund each month from the date of divorce--and the payments were garnished from their paychecks, then it might be almost ok. But when only the NCP is forced to pay, then it is NOT ok. And that is what the complaints are about. At the risk of being too esoteric, the complaint I have goes beyond only the NCP being required to pay CS to an adult child attending school. The student is hurt in multiple ways by the current system. Because CS drives up the out-of-pocket cost of education (the EFC) the student needs to take out higher student loans. If the CP uses the CS for care and maintenance, rather than tuition, the student must take out higher student loans. If the CP doesn't pass the education tax credits on to the student, the student must take out higher student loans. If the CP refuses to take out a Parent Loan, the student must take out higher student loans. The Appeals Court in my state has clearly defined that CS for pre-18 children is for care and maintenance. And Post-18 CS is defined as advancing the state's interest in an educated populace. The problem I found seen is CP's don't understand that distinction and the student gets hurt in the long run for all the reasons I listed above. |
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"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Rebecca Floyd" wrote in message m... Hey Jerk ... a college education is a right! If you don't believe this then I would feel very sorry for your children. You brought those children into this world ... you should give them every opportunity to have the most successful life they can possibly have. That includes giving them a college education. Access to a college education is a right. Having a college education gift wrapped and laid at your feet is not. There are scholarships, loans, and jobs available, si it isn't like anyone does not have access to a college education. I do not see why that is even in question. I believe going to college is an opportunity, not a right. If it were a right, everyone would get a college degree. Here are a few statisitics from several sources that breakdown college education facts. 86.5% of high school students complete high school. (National Center for Education) 62% of high school completers enroll in college. (National Center for Education) 59% of college enrollers graduate in 6 years. (NCAA Div-1 All-Student Graduation Rate) 31.6% of high school students complete a 4 year degree. (I did the math) Out of 1,000 HS students 865 graduate, 536 enter college, and 316 graduate within 6 years. For your information, as long as it is a Settlement Agreement, forcing a parent to provide a college education is possible. If forcing parents to pay for college for their children were done across the board, and every parent had the same requirement, that might be considered fair. Or, if we are only looking at divorced parents, both parents were ordered to pay into a college fund each month from the date of divorce--and the payments were garnished from their paychecks, then it might be almost ok. But when only the NCP is forced to pay, then it is NOT ok. And that is what the complaints are about. At the risk of being too esoteric, the complaint I have goes beyond only the NCP being required to pay CS to an adult child attending school. The student is hurt in multiple ways by the current system. Because CS drives up the out-of-pocket cost of education (the EFC) the student needs to take out higher student loans. If the CP uses the CS for care and maintenance, rather than tuition, the student must take out higher student loans. If the CP doesn't pass the education tax credits on to the student, the student must take out higher student loans. If the CP refuses to take out a Parent Loan, the student must take out higher student loans. The Appeals Court in my state has clearly defined that CS for pre-18 children is for care and maintenance. And Post-18 CS is defined as advancing the state's interest in an educated populace. The problem I found seen is CP's don't understand that distinction and the student gets hurt in the long run for all the reasons I listed above. |
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"Rebecca Floyd" wrote in message m... Hey Jerk ... a college education is a right! If you don't believe this then I would feel very sorry for your children. You brought those children into this world ... you should give them every opportunity to have the most successful life they can possibly have. That includes giving them a college education. Hey MORON......a college education is not a RIGHT.....I feel sorry for yoour children being raised in a 'entitlement' mentality. You should teach your children to be responsible as ADULTS..... For your information, as long as it is a Settlement Agreement, forcing a parent to provide a college education is possible. "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "LouKing" wrote in message lkaboutparenting.com... What is wrong with everyone? Maybe we should start with you......want the list? I thought this was a message board a person could get help with some questions. You thought wrong. I got a lot of negative feed back. So? What the heck is wrong with trying to get some help in raising my kids - which are not just mine - they are mine and his - he who decided drugs and alcohol were more important than his kids so he disappears for 6 years and I work two jobs making sure my kids can have a decent life. We are not responsible for your poor decision making Now he is remarried and so am I - my husband pays child support and my ex lives however he wants to live with no responsibility to his children. I was just shocked at the negative feed back. I have a good job and work hard so didn't give me crap about sitting back trying to live off him. I just want to make sure my kids will get a chance for a better life by going to college. I know life isn't fair but I do know I should make him accountable. Free hint for the clueless......a college education is NOT a right or entitlement. |
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"Rebecca Floyd" wrote in message m... Hey Jerk ... a college education is a right! If you don't believe this then I would feel very sorry for your children. You brought those children into this world ... you should give them every opportunity to have the most successful life they can possibly have. That includes giving them a college education. Hey MORON......a college education is not a RIGHT.....I feel sorry for yoour children being raised in a 'entitlement' mentality. You should teach your children to be responsible as ADULTS..... For your information, as long as it is a Settlement Agreement, forcing a parent to provide a college education is possible. "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "LouKing" wrote in message lkaboutparenting.com... What is wrong with everyone? Maybe we should start with you......want the list? I thought this was a message board a person could get help with some questions. You thought wrong. I got a lot of negative feed back. So? What the heck is wrong with trying to get some help in raising my kids - which are not just mine - they are mine and his - he who decided drugs and alcohol were more important than his kids so he disappears for 6 years and I work two jobs making sure my kids can have a decent life. We are not responsible for your poor decision making Now he is remarried and so am I - my husband pays child support and my ex lives however he wants to live with no responsibility to his children. I was just shocked at the negative feed back. I have a good job and work hard so didn't give me crap about sitting back trying to live off him. I just want to make sure my kids will get a chance for a better life by going to college. I know life isn't fair but I do know I should make him accountable. Free hint for the clueless......a college education is NOT a right or entitlement. |
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"Rebecca Floyd" wrote in message m... Hey Jerk ... a college education is a right! If you don't believe this then I would feel very sorry for your children. You brought those children into this world ... you should give them every opportunity to have the most successful life they can possibly have. That includes giving them a college education. Hey MORON......a college education is not a RIGHT.....I feel sorry for yoour children being raised in a 'entitlement' mentality. You should teach your children to be responsible as ADULTS..... For your information, as long as it is a Settlement Agreement, forcing a parent to provide a college education is possible. "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "LouKing" wrote in message lkaboutparenting.com... What is wrong with everyone? Maybe we should start with you......want the list? I thought this was a message board a person could get help with some questions. You thought wrong. I got a lot of negative feed back. So? What the heck is wrong with trying to get some help in raising my kids - which are not just mine - they are mine and his - he who decided drugs and alcohol were more important than his kids so he disappears for 6 years and I work two jobs making sure my kids can have a decent life. We are not responsible for your poor decision making Now he is remarried and so am I - my husband pays child support and my ex lives however he wants to live with no responsibility to his children. I was just shocked at the negative feed back. I have a good job and work hard so didn't give me crap about sitting back trying to live off him. I just want to make sure my kids will get a chance for a better life by going to college. I know life isn't fair but I do know I should make him accountable. Free hint for the clueless......a college education is NOT a right or entitlement. |
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"Gini" wrote in message ... In article , Rebecca Floyd says... Hey Jerk ... a college education is a right! If you don't believe this then I would feel very sorry for your children. You brought those children into this world ... you should give them every opportunity to have the most successful life they can possibly have. That includes giving them a college education. ==== Hey, could you send that message to my parents? I had about 30k in student loans and thought *I* was responsible for it. Didn't realize my parents owed me that money. Cool. Maybe I should have them secure my rights to the money for student loans with a life insurance policy. They are in their 70s now. I was one of seven kids, and we have 13 degrees between us, none of them paid for by our parents (they could not have afforded it anyway. This entitlement crap really irks me.......more proof of the corruption being talk in guvmint schools. ==== ==== |
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"Gini" wrote in message ... In article , Rebecca Floyd says... Hey Jerk ... a college education is a right! If you don't believe this then I would feel very sorry for your children. You brought those children into this world ... you should give them every opportunity to have the most successful life they can possibly have. That includes giving them a college education. ==== Hey, could you send that message to my parents? I had about 30k in student loans and thought *I* was responsible for it. Didn't realize my parents owed me that money. Cool. Maybe I should have them secure my rights to the money for student loans with a life insurance policy. They are in their 70s now. I was one of seven kids, and we have 13 degrees between us, none of them paid for by our parents (they could not have afforded it anyway. This entitlement crap really irks me.......more proof of the corruption being talk in guvmint schools. ==== ==== |
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"Gini" wrote in message ... In article , Rebecca Floyd says... Hey Jerk ... a college education is a right! If you don't believe this then I would feel very sorry for your children. You brought those children into this world ... you should give them every opportunity to have the most successful life they can possibly have. That includes giving them a college education. ==== Hey, could you send that message to my parents? I had about 30k in student loans and thought *I* was responsible for it. Didn't realize my parents owed me that money. Cool. Maybe I should have them secure my rights to the money for student loans with a life insurance policy. They are in their 70s now. I was one of seven kids, and we have 13 degrees between us, none of them paid for by our parents (they could not have afforded it anyway. This entitlement crap really irks me.......more proof of the corruption being talk in guvmint schools. ==== ==== |
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"Rebecca Floyd" wrote in message om... There is nothing wrong with that at all. The people on here that constantly give negative feedback are the ones who wouldn't know how to be a man if they tried. Another 'feminitwit" and a lame attempt to define a 'man' YAWN "LouKing" wrote in message lkaboutparenting.com... What is wrong with everyone? I thought this was a message board a person could get help with some questions. I got a lot of negative feed back. What the heck is wrong with trying to get some help in raising my kids - which are not just mine - they are mine and his - he who decided drugs and alcohol were more important than his kids so he disappears for 6 years and I work two jobs making sure my kids can have a decent life. Now he is remarried and so am I - my husband pays child support and my ex lives however he wants to live with no responsibility to his children. I was just shocked at the negative feed back. I have a good job and work hard so didn't give me crap about sitting back trying to live off him. I just want to make sure my kids will get a chance for a better life by going to college. I know life isn't fair but I do know I should make him accountable. |
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"Rebecca Floyd" wrote in message om... There is nothing wrong with that at all. The people on here that constantly give negative feedback are the ones who wouldn't know how to be a man if they tried. Another 'feminitwit" and a lame attempt to define a 'man' YAWN "LouKing" wrote in message lkaboutparenting.com... What is wrong with everyone? I thought this was a message board a person could get help with some questions. I got a lot of negative feed back. What the heck is wrong with trying to get some help in raising my kids - which are not just mine - they are mine and his - he who decided drugs and alcohol were more important than his kids so he disappears for 6 years and I work two jobs making sure my kids can have a decent life. Now he is remarried and so am I - my husband pays child support and my ex lives however he wants to live with no responsibility to his children. I was just shocked at the negative feed back. I have a good job and work hard so didn't give me crap about sitting back trying to live off him. I just want to make sure my kids will get a chance for a better life by going to college. I know life isn't fair but I do know I should make him accountable. |
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