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new childfree newsgroup where parents can post too
Some of you may remember a while ago there was some discussion of having a
group in which parents and childfree could talk to each other. Parents are not welcome at alt.support.childfree so there is no opportunity for constructive (or civil) dialogue there. It turns out there is a dead group called alt.childfree.bridgebuilding. Because it has been inactive for a while most servers don't carry it. If you want to subscribe to this group you can ask your server to carry it or you can register with http://News.Individual.NET a free server that has it already. This is the German server that a lot of the alt.mothers people use. Those of you who were around during the revival of misc.kids are familiar with what is needed. You respond to appropriate posts and ignore the others. My thanks to everyone who is willing to help. Jayne |
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new childfree newsgroup where parents can post too
Childfree huh?
/in quivering voice B....b.....bu....but I wanna PLAY TOOOOOOOO!!! /runs off to mommy for help -- -- Ilse mom to Olaf (07/15/2002) TTC #2 "What's the use of brains if you are a girl?" Aletta Jacobs, first Dutch woman to receive a PhD |
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new childfree newsgroup where parents can post too
"Mamasamba" wrote in message ... On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:03:21 -0400, "Jayne Kulikauskas" wrote: My thanks to everyone who is willing to help. I did see that ng pop up on my new groups list and thought that's one I can pass up. I haven't changed my mind. I already have dialog with my DINK friends. No problem. If you're not interested, you're not interested. Good luck. Thanks. Jayne |
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new childfree newsgroup where parents can post too
"Jayne Kulikauskas" wrote in message
... Some of you may remember a while ago there was some discussion of having a group in which parents and childfree could talk to each other. Parents are not welcome at alt.support.childfree so there is no opportunity for constructive (or civil) dialogue there. OK, dons 'leap to defence' outfit. asc is, as the name suggests, a SUPPORT froup for childfree people who feel (particularly in the US, it seems) ostracised because of their choice. That's why parents are not welcome there. It's eminently possible to have a constructive or civil dialogue with many of the asc'ers (myself excluded, of courseg), but not in that particular forum, as it is the one place the members can vent without ruffling feathers. The idea of a 'mixed' forum sounds good, but I fear it will degenerate into an 'us vs them' flamefest, as has happened before in ascm. But I'll give it a go. As you are aware (hopefully) I am not an violently anti children as some denizens of asc, but I would certainly not see a sudden influx of childed people as either welcome or constructive within asc, any more than an influx of paedophiles or child haters would be welcome here. In the old days, we used to select our NGs to reflect our own interests/lifestyles, and post to each as appropriate to it's charter. But then, I'm an old, old man who can still remember when trolls were witty and intelligent. ) R --- and the summers were hotter, and we could leave our front door open all day.... mumble drone...... |
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"SarahH" wrote in message ... [] Jayne, Im curious as to why you havent posted a copy of this to a.s.cf? Because I'm a parent and I want to respect their wish that I do not post there. We have a few childfree people in our creation team, so I'm expecting one of them to post something like this there soon. The CF team members probably want access to the group themselves before they invite others there and it's taking a while to get it. Jayne |
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new childfree newsgroup where parents can post too
"Rorqhual" wrote in message ... "Jayne Kulikauskas" wrote in message ... Some of you may remember a while ago there was some discussion of having a group in which parents and childfree could talk to each other. Parents are not welcome at alt.support.childfree so there is no opportunity for constructive (or civil) dialogue there. OK, dons 'leap to defence' outfit. asc is, as the name suggests, a SUPPORT froup for childfree people who feel (particularly in the US, it seems) ostracised because of their choice. That's why parents are not welcome there. It's eminently possible to have a constructive or civil dialogue with many of the asc'ers (myself excluded, of courseg), but not in that particular forum, as it is the one place the members can vent without ruffling feathers. I'm sorry you felt you had to leap to defence of asc. My comment was not meant as a critism. I have no problems with asc being a cf only group. Can you suggest how I could rephrase it to make this clearer? The idea of a 'mixed' forum sounds good, but I fear it will degenerate into an 'us vs them' flamefest, as has happened before in ascm. If we get a strong core of people who know to ignore flames we might manage. I've been impressed by how alt.mothers has been able to maintain a fairly good tone simply by that method. Our creation team expects that we will eventually need to make a moderated version of the group, but we are going to give this one a good try first. But I'll give it a go. As you are aware (hopefully) I am not an violently anti children as some denizens of asc, but I would certainly not see a sudden influx of childed people as either welcome or constructive within asc, any more than an influx of paedophiles or child haters would be welcome here. In the old days, we used to select our NGs to reflect our own interests/lifestyles, and post to each as appropriate to it's charter. But then, I'm an old, old man who can still remember when trolls were witty and intelligent. ) I was hoping that you would come there. I actually sent you an email with a personal invitation, but it bounced for some reason. R --- and the summers were hotter, and we could leave our front door open all day.... mumble drone...... Ah, the good old days. g Jayne |
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new childfree newsgroup where parents can post too
In article , "Rorqhual" says...
But I'll give it a go. As you are aware (hopefully) I am not an violently anti children as some denizens of asc, but I would certainly not see a sudden influx of childed people as either welcome or constructive within asc, any more than an influx of paedophiles or child haters would be welcome here. These two scenarios are absolutely *not* morally reciprocal. If you participate in the 'group, you'll get an earfull as to why. Banty |
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new childfree newsgroup where parents can post too
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:57:01 -0400, "Jayne Kulikauskas"
wrote: "SarahH" wrote in message ... [] Jayne, Im curious as to why you havent posted a copy of this to a.s.cf? Because I'm a parent and I want to respect their wish that I do not post there. We have a few childfree people in our creation team, so I'm expecting one of them to post something like this there soon. The CF team members probably want access to the group themselves before they invite others there and it's taking a while to get it. Jayne The group is carried on altopia and if you get real traffic, other pay newsservers will carry it. I see that you posted an FAQ there. Frankly, I suggest that you try to find the original charter and that you don't post an FAQ until you have some people who want to be regular members. You can't have a creation team for a group that already exists, btw. That's silly, the group is already created. Although google is not carrying the group, you can xpost into other groups and the posts *will* be on google, so if you keep the xposting on topic to the groups you use, eventually you may gain some people who will request the group on their ISPs. With traffic, some newsservers pick it up automatically as well. Apparently there are newsservers that create the group when you xpost as was pointed out on news.groups in the last discussion about mk-fl. If you missed it, mk-fl is available though only on one newsserver as a test group for the moderation team. Anyone is welcome to post there by subscribing to news.gweep.ca and looking for the group, but you cannot post from gweep to any unmoderated groups and it does not carry many groups, so this cannot replace your regular newsserver. You may want to ask in alt.config about how to get google to carry the group, or email google-support and see if they are willing to archive it. Good luck. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. Outer Limits |
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"toto" wrote in message ... [] The group is carried on altopia and if you get real traffic, other pay newsservers will carry it. Thanks for that info. I'm trying to keep track of which servers are carrying it. I can add altopia to the list. I see that you posted an FAQ there. Frankly, I suggest that you try to find the original charter and that you don't post an FAQ until you have some people who want to be regular members. There are people who want to be members, they haven't managed to get access yet. We have a mailing list where we have been talking about starting up a group like this and I've run that FAQ by them. I wish I could find the original charter, but a google search didn't help and I can't think of any other way to look. Do you have any ideas, Dorothy? Unfortunately, as it is, we just have to guess from its name. You can't have a creation team for a group that already exists, btw. That's silly, the group is already created. This creation team has been around for a few months talking about creating a new group. When we discovered there was an inactive group with a name that fit our purpose we decided to revive it instead. I've just gotten into the habit of referring to us as a creation team. Strictly speaking, I suppose you are right. Now we are a revival team, but that just sounds weird. g Although google is not carrying the group, you can xpost into other groups and the posts *will* be on google, so if you keep the xposting on topic to the groups you use, eventually you may gain some people who will request the group on their ISPs. I've thought about doing something like that, but I'm not sure what group to cross-post to where it won't annoy the regular participants. Misc.kids has been pretty quiet lately. How do misc.kids people feel about us cross-posting some threads to a.c.b and m.k while we are getting started? They aren't supposed to be flamey but I don't know what will end up happening. With traffic, some newsservers pick it up automatically as well. Apparently there are newsservers that create the group when you xpost as was pointed out on news.groups in the last discussion about mk-fl. If you missed it, mk-fl is available though only on one newsserver as a test group for the moderation team. Anyone is welcome to post there by subscribing to news.gweep.ca and looking for the group, but you cannot post from gweep to any unmoderated groups and it does not carry many groups, so this cannot replace your regular newsserver. Yes, I've been following this in news.groups. I probably would have subbed myself, but I've been too busy with this project. You may want to ask in alt.config about how to get google to carry the group, or email google-support and see if they are willing to archive it. I'm waiting until we build up some traffic before asking google to archive it. From what I've read in alt.config, that will improve our chances that they will do it. Good luck. Thanks for the good wishes and good advice. Jayne |
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new childfree newsgroup where parents can post too
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:19:52 -0400, "Jayne Kulikauskas"
wrote: There are people who want to be members, they haven't managed to get access yet. We have a mailing list where we have been talking about starting up a group like this and I've run that FAQ by them. Have them request the group from their own ISP newsservers and from whatever other servers they use. It generally takes about two weeks or so for a newsserver to add a group, but if a customer requests it most are very good about it. If you have anyone who is on aol, earthlink or other major servers, explain that it is a low traffic group, but that there are people who wish to post there and revive it and you should be able to get the group going. Then make sure that your team posts to it from the servers they requested it on. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. Outer Limits |
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