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"Ilena Rose" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:40:30 GMT, "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-August 18, 2004" M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t wrote: "Ilena Rose" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:59:43 -0700, "Coleah" wrote: Ilena, Popcorn Kills!!!! So you are an anti-popcorn advocate now Coleah ... I posted an article yesterday which discussed how a child choked to death on popcorn while in a movie theatre. Choking hazards are a real concern to me, as my younger son choked on a Teddy Graham cookie one night, and only an immediate Heimlich Maneuver saved him. A child can choke from what a lot of people would think is safe. This article surprised me. Let's review what is more dangerous ... popcorn or vaccines? This article mentions no deaths from popcorn ... now Marla claims there is one: http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML...accines40.html As of the end of 2002, the VAERS system contained 244,424 total reports of possible reactions to vaccines, including 99,145 emergency room visits, 5,149 life-threatening reactions, 27,925 hospitalizations, 5,775 disabilities, and 5,309 deaths, according to data compiled by Dr. Mark Geier, a vaccine researcher in Silver Spring, Md. I think the key word here is *possible*. How maany of those deaths were found to be caused by vaccines? Damned few. How many deaths were there during that period from measles, mumps, rubella, smallpox and polio? Damned few. How did the death rate for Hib meningitis go when the vaccine against this come out? It went down, way down. Are vaccines 100% safe? Of course not. Nothing is. Not water. Not even popcorn. But considering the very small number of deaths and injuries vaccines actually caused, the very large number of deaths they prevented, and all the sickness and disability that vaccines have prevented, they are one of the miracles of modern medicine. Jeff |
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"Ilena Rose" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:40:30 GMT, "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-August 18, 2004" M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t wrote: "Ilena Rose" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:59:43 -0700, "Coleah" wrote: Ilena, Popcorn Kills!!!! So you are an anti-popcorn advocate now Coleah ... I posted an article yesterday which discussed how a child choked to death on popcorn while in a movie theatre. Choking hazards are a real concern to me, as my younger son choked on a Teddy Graham cookie one night, and only an immediate Heimlich Maneuver saved him. A child can choke from what a lot of people would think is safe. This article surprised me. Let's review what is more dangerous ... popcorn or vaccines? This article mentions no deaths from popcorn ... now Mark claims there is one: There is no comparison. Deaths from choking hazards are very serious and preventable. Deaths from vaccines, if any, are rare. VAERS data does NOT prove causation. |
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:34:13 GMT, "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-August 19,
2004" M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t wrote: There is no comparison. Deaths from choking hazards are very serious and preventable. Deaths from vaccines, if any, are rare. Let's review what is more dangerous ... popcorn or vaccines? This article mentions no deaths from popcorn ... now Marla claims there is one ... http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML...accines40.html As of the end of 2002, the VAERS system contained 244,424 total reports of possible reactions to vaccines, including 99,145 emergency room visits, 5,149 life-threatening reactions, 27,925 hospitalizations, 5,775 disabilities, and 5,309 deaths, according to data compiled by Dr. Mark Geier, a vaccine researcher in Silver Spring, Md. |
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I agree with you completely Mark. I have a choking health problem and
with small children I have seen first hand them choking on popcorn. As for vaccines I wonder how in the hell all us baby boomers made it. Very rare for a child to die from vaccines. Popcorn and other small products should never be fed to small children. Doesn't take a Brain Surgern to know that one. Sharyn SBI Survivor "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-August 19, 2004" M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t wrote in message .net... "Ilena Rose" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:40:30 GMT, "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-August 18, 2004" M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t wrote: "Ilena Rose" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:59:43 -0700, "Coleah" wrote: Ilena, Popcorn Kills!!!! So you are an anti-popcorn advocate now Coleah ... I posted an article yesterday which discussed how a child choked to death on popcorn while in a movie theatre. Choking hazards are a real concern to me, as my younger son choked on a Teddy Graham cookie one night, and only an immediate Heimlich Maneuver saved him. A child can choke from what a lot of people would think is safe. This article surprised me. Let's review what is more dangerous ... popcorn or vaccines? This article mentions no deaths from popcorn ... now Mark claims there is one: There is no comparison. Deaths from choking hazards are very serious and preventable. Deaths from vaccines, if any, are rare. VAERS data does NOT prove causation. |
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"Ilena Rose" wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:34:13 GMT, "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-August 19, 2004" M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t wrote: There is no comparison. Deaths from choking hazards are very serious and preventable. Deaths from vaccines, if any, are rare. Let's review what is more dangerous ... popcorn or vaccines? This article mentions no deaths from popcorn ... now Mark claims there is one ... Let's do a factual review. I make no claim, the article does. The article clearly shows that there was one death with a known cause. VAERS lists reports which prove NOTHING. They list every report regardless of whether causality is proven or not. A good sceintific study based on the information in VAERS would be a good idea. Until then, there is no proof. |
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"Sharyn" wrote in message om... I agree with you completely Mark. I have a choking health problem and with small children I have seen first hand them choking on popcorn. We had an incident with myyounger son choking on a Teddy Graham cookie. Having had several First Aid courses, i knew to perform the Heimlich first, as mouth-to-mouth can actually force an object further into the pharynx. Sadly, this is what appears to have happened in the case reported in the news article. As for vaccines I wonder how in the hell all us baby boomers made it. Growing up in the 1950's we called summertime puddles "Polio Water" and would not see one of our classmates the following September. Very rare for a child to die from vaccines. Popcorn and other small products should never be fed to small children. Doesn't take a Brain Surgern to know that one. When my kids were smaller, we had a small plastic tube which was designed to represent the throat of a child. We used it to examine whether anything could fit in. Even being this alert, we still had the Teddy Graham incident. Sharyn SBI Survivor "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-August 19, 2004" M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t wrote in message .net... "Ilena Rose" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:40:30 GMT, "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-August 18, 2004" M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t wrote: "Ilena Rose" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:59:43 -0700, "Coleah" wrote: Ilena, Popcorn Kills!!!! So you are an anti-popcorn advocate now Coleah ... I posted an article yesterday which discussed how a child choked to death on popcorn while in a movie theatre. Choking hazards are a real concern to me, as my younger son choked on a Teddy Graham cookie one night, and only an immediate Heimlich Maneuver saved him. A child can choke from what a lot of people would think is safe. This article surprised me. Let's review what is more dangerous ... popcorn or vaccines? This article mentions no deaths from popcorn ... now Mark claims there is one: There is no comparison. Deaths from choking hazards are very serious and preventable. Deaths from vaccines, if any, are rare. VAERS data does NOT prove causation. |
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Groups restored. Jan claims that AOL does not allow crossposting.
"Jan" wrote in message ... Subject: Choking Hazard From: "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-August 19, 2004" M,a,r,kP,r,o,b,e,r,t Date: 8/19/2004 1:28 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: t VAERS lists reports which prove NOTHING. They list every report regardless of whether causality is proven or not. The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), jointly operated by the FDA and the CDC. VAERS is a ***passive, voluntary reporting system***** which means not all adverse events get reported. It also means that many reports are incomplete or even contain inaccurate information because the forms are not filled out by trained personnel. Another problem with interpreting VAERS data is the lack of information on the total number of individuals who received a particular vaccine, making it impossible to estimate the incidence of reported adverse events. It's also often the case that multiple vaccines are given at the same time, further complicating the interpretation of what might have caused the event. We have been waiting for the FDA to follow-up on VAERS reports and then disclose and utilize the VAERS data to increase our knowledge about vaccine reactions and possible high risk factors. This is how parents and Congress expected the vaccine adverse event reporting system to be utilized when it was centralized under the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986. However, the conclusions drawn by the authors do not match the substance of the data presented. Thanks Jan for pointing out that VAERS data is woefully unreliable for proving anything. I always appreciate your support. |
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"Jan" wrote in message ... Subject: Choking Hazard From: (Sharyn) Date: 8/19/2004 11:32 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: I agree with you completely Mark. Naawwwwwwwwww. SURPRISE SURPRISE. Very rare for a child to die from vaccines http://www.whale.to/vaccines/deaths.html The whale.to website has been soundly criticized and shown to be grossly inaccurate. It is an unreliable source of information. |
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"Jan" wrote in message ... Subject: Choking Hazard From: "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-August 20, 2004" M,a,r,kP,r,o,b,e,r,t Date: 8/20/2004 8:04 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: t Groups restored. Jan claims that AOL does not allow crossposting. Why so eager to crosspost? I leave things as they are, unless asked by participants of other groups not to. Are you afraid of crossposting? BTW, Again, thanks for your article which supported me 10000%. |
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