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Old April 4th 08, 09:43 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
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Default Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?


"Kulacz" wrote in message
...
On Apr 4, 8:16 am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew wrote:

: Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?

That depends. Have you ever seen the movie _Eraserhead_?

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"It's certainly easy to mock things," agreed Trefusis. "Oddly enough
though I've never found it easy to mock anything of value. Only things
that are tawdry and fatuous -- perhaps it's just me."


Your comment certainly adds productive data to this issue.


Uh oh..... Irony alert ... Irony Alert!!!!


  #12  
Old April 5th 08, 04:29 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
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Default Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?


"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
On Apr 3, 11:09 pm, Kulacz wrote:
On Apr 3, 10:56 pm, "Jan Drew" wrote:





http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.c...t-flu-shot-whi...


Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?
I have noticed a lot of people coming here from "Can I get the flu shot
while pregnant" search term.


So I will post directly on this issue.


The CDC and it's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)
recommends the flu shot for pregnant women.


However, I believe that this is an irresponsible recommendation as the
flu
shot has not been safety tested on pregnant women.


And despite the fact that some of these flu vaccines are not for use in
children, the CDC and ACIP have not issued a warning for pregnant women
not
to have them.


Additionally, despite repeated requests from parents of vaccine injured
children, the CDC and ACIP will not state a preference for pregnant
women to
receive only Thimerosal free flu shots.


From the vaccine package inserts:


Fluarix (Thimerosal free):
Pregnancy: Pregnancy Category C. Animal reproduction studies have not
been
conducted with FLUARIX. It is not known whether FLUARIX can cause fetal
harm
when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction
capacity.
FLUARIX should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed. The
ACIP
has issued recommendations regarding the use of the influenza virus
vaccine
in pregnant women.


Nursing Mothers: It is not known whether FLUARIX is excreted in human
milk.
Because many drugs are excreted in human milk, caution should be
exercised
when FLUARIX is administered to a nursing woman. The ACIP has issued
recommendations regarding the use of the influenza virus vaccine in
nursing
mothers.


Pediatric Use: FLUARIX IS NOT INDICATED FOR USE IN CHILDREN.


Flulaval (Contains Thimerosal):
Pregnancy: Pregnancy Category C. Animal reproduction studies have not
been
conducted with FLULAVAL. It is also not known whether FLULAVAL can cause
fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect
reproduction
capacity. FLULAVAL should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly
needed.


Nursing Mothers: It is not known whether FLULAVAL is excreted in human
milk.
Because many drugs are excreted in human milk, caution should be
exercised
when FLULAVAL is administered to a nursing woman.


Pediatric Use: Safety and effectiveness of FLULAVAL in pediatric
patients
have not been established.


Flumist (Thimerosal Free):
Pregnancy: Pregnancy Category C Animal reproduction studies have not
been
conducted with FluMist. It is not known whether FluMist can cause fetal
harm
when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction
capacity.
FluMist should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.
The effect of the vaccine on embryo-fetal and pre-weaning development
was
evaluated in a developmental toxicity study using pregnant rats
receiving
the frozen formulation. Groups of animals were administered the vaccine
either once (during the period of organogenesis on gestation day 6) or
twice
(prior to gestation and during the period of organogenesis on gestation
day
6), 250mcL/rat/occasion (approximately 110-140 human dose equivalents
based
on TCID50), by intranasal instillation. No adverse effects on pregnancy,
parturition, lactation, embryo-fetal or preweaning development were
observed. There were no vaccine related fetal malformations or other
evidence of teratogenesis noted in this study.


Nursing Mothers: It is not known whether FluMist is excreted in human
milk.
Therefore, as some viruses are excreted in human milk and additionally,
because of the possibility of shedding of vaccine virus and the close
proximity of a nursing infant and mother, caution should be exercised if
FluMist is administered to nursing mothers.


Pediatric Use: FluMist is not indicated for use in children 24 months
of
age. FluMist use in children 24 months has been associated with
increased
risk of hospitalization and wheezing in clinical trials [see Warnings
and
Precautions (5.1) and Adverse Reactions (6.1)].


Fluvirin (Contains Thimerosal)
Pregnancy: Pregnancy Category C
Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza Virus
Vaccine (FLUVIRIN®). It is also not known whether Influenza Virus
Vaccine
(FLUVIRIN®) can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman
or
can affect reproduction capacity. Influenza Virus Vaccine (FLUVIRIN®)
should
be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.
The clinical judgment of the attending physician should prevail at all
times
in determining whether to administer Influenza Virus Vaccine to a
pregnant
woman.


Pediatric Use: The safety and immunogenicity of FLUVIRIN® have been
established in the age group 4 years to 16 years. The use of FLUVIRIN®
in
these age groups is supported by evidence from adequate and
well-controlled
studies of FLUVIRIN® in adults that demonstrate the immunogenicity of
FLUVIRIN®. The safety and immunogenicity of FLUVIRIN® have not been
established in children 4 years of age.


Fluzone (Comes in both Thimerosal Containing and Thimerosal Free):
PREGNANCY CATEGORY C
Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza Virus
Vaccine. It is not known whether Influenza Virus Vaccine can cause fetal
harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction
capacity. Influenza Virus Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman
only
if clearly needed. For guidance regarding use in pregnant women, see
INDICATIONS AND USAGE section.


PEDIATRIC USE: SAFETY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF FLUZONE VACCINE (SUBVIRION)
IN
INFANTS BELOW THE AGE OF 6 MONTHS HAVE NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED.


There are reports that the immune adjuncts added to the flu vaccine
produce an inflammotory response that can pass to the fetus and have a
detrimental neurological effect.
Dr. Russel l Blaylock, MD, a neuroseurogeon, has reported on this.-


Chuckle. Look up BLaylock.
=
When you cannot refute, made up something that is a diversion.
Nothing to say about the truth posted in this thread, Mark?

Btw......

on Jul 3, 2006 wrote:

where no one, under any circumstances, respond to any of their messages,
for any reason. If they post something that needs to be refuted,
commencing a new thread without reference to them, would be proper.



  #13  
Old April 5th 08, 01:29 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
Jeff
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Default Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?

Jan Drew wrote:

...

When you cannot refute, made up something that is a diversion.


Yes, Jan. You're the expert at this.

Jeff
  #14  
Old April 5th 08, 11:40 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
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Default Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?

So...... Jeff, did you get the flu shot when you were pregnant?
"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Jan Drew wrote:

...

When you cannot refute, made up something that is a diversion.


Yes, Jan. You're the expert at this.

Jeff



  #15  
Old April 6th 08, 12:25 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
Kevysmom[_2_]
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Default Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?

Jan the Flu Vaccine that is being promoted for pregnant women contains
25 mcg of mercury. The fetus is the most susceptible to
thimerosal(Mercury)


Dr. Ayoub and Dr. Yazbak have done some great research on this.

Influenza Vaccination During Pregnancy:
A Critical Assessment of the Recommendations of the
Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)


http://www.jpands.org/vol11no2/ayoub.pdf



On Apr 3, 10:56*pm, "Jan Drew" wrote:
http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.c...t-flu-shot-whi...

Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?
I have noticed a lot of people coming here from "Can I get the flu shot
while pregnant" search term.

So I will post directly on this issue.

The CDC and it's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)
recommends the flu shot for pregnant women.

However, I believe that this is an irresponsible recommendation as the flu
shot has not been safety tested on pregnant women.

And despite the fact that some of these flu vaccines are not for use in
children, the CDC and ACIP have not issued a warning for pregnant women not
to have them.

Additionally, despite repeated requests from parents of vaccine injured
children, the CDC and ACIP will not state a preference for pregnant women to
receive only Thimerosal free flu shots.

From the vaccine package inserts:

Fluarix (Thimerosal free):
Pregnancy: Pregnancy Category C. Animal reproduction studies have not been
conducted with FLUARIX. It is not known whether FLUARIX can cause fetal harm
when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity.
FLUARIX should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed. The ACIP
has issued recommendations regarding the use of the influenza virus vaccine
in pregnant women.

Nursing Mothers: It is not known whether FLUARIX is excreted in human milk..
Because many drugs are excreted in human milk, caution should be exercised
when FLUARIX is administered to a nursing woman. The ACIP has issued
recommendations regarding the use of the influenza virus vaccine in nursing
mothers.

Pediatric Use: FLUARIX IS NOT INDICATED FOR USE IN CHILDREN.

Flulaval (Contains Thimerosal):
Pregnancy: Pregnancy Category C. Animal reproduction studies have not been
conducted with FLULAVAL. It is also not known whether FLULAVAL can cause
fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction
capacity. FLULAVAL should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly
needed.

Nursing Mothers: It is not known whether FLULAVAL is excreted in human milk.
Because many drugs are excreted in human milk, caution should be exercised
when FLULAVAL is administered to a nursing woman.

Pediatric Use: Safety and effectiveness of FLULAVAL in pediatric patients
have not been established.

Flumist (Thimerosal Free):
Pregnancy: Pregnancy Category C Animal reproduction studies have not been
conducted with FluMist. It is not known whether FluMist can cause fetal harm
when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity.
FluMist should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.
The effect of the vaccine on embryo-fetal and pre-weaning development was
evaluated in a developmental toxicity study using pregnant rats receiving
the frozen formulation. Groups of animals were administered the vaccine
either once (during the period of organogenesis on gestation day 6) or twice
(prior to gestation and during the period of organogenesis on gestation day
6), 250mcL/rat/occasion (approximately 110-140 human dose equivalents based
on TCID50), by intranasal instillation. No adverse effects on pregnancy,
parturition, lactation, embryo-fetal or preweaning development were
observed. There were no vaccine related fetal malformations or other
evidence of teratogenesis noted in this study.

Nursing Mothers: It is not known whether FluMist is excreted in human milk..
Therefore, as some viruses are excreted in human milk and additionally,
because of the possibility of shedding of vaccine virus and the close
proximity of a nursing infant and mother, caution should be exercised if
FluMist is administered to nursing mothers.

Pediatric Use: FluMist is not indicated for use in children 24 months of
age. FluMist use in children 24 months has been associated with increased
risk of hospitalization and wheezing in clinical trials [see Warnings and
Precautions (5.1) and Adverse Reactions (6.1)].

Fluvirin (Contains Thimerosal)
Pregnancy: Pregnancy Category C
Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza Virus
Vaccine (FLUVIRIN®). It is also not known whether Influenza Virus Vaccine
(FLUVIRIN®) can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or
can affect reproduction capacity. Influenza Virus Vaccine (FLUVIRIN®) should
be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.
The clinical judgment of the attending physician should prevail at all times
in determining whether to administer Influenza Virus Vaccine to a pregnant
woman.

Pediatric Use: The safety and immunogenicity of FLUVIRIN® have been
established in the age group 4 years to 16 years. The use of FLUVIRIN® in
these age groups is supported by evidence from adequate and well-controlled
studies of FLUVIRIN® in adults that demonstrate the immunogenicity of
FLUVIRIN®. The safety and immunogenicity of FLUVIRIN® have not been
established in children 4 years of age.

Fluzone (Comes in both Thimerosal Containing and Thimerosal Free):
PREGNANCY CATEGORY C
Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza Virus
Vaccine. It is not known whether Influenza Virus Vaccine can cause fetal
harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction
capacity. Influenza Virus Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman only
if clearly needed. For guidance regarding use in pregnant women, see
INDICATIONS AND USAGE section.

PEDIATRIC USE: SAFETY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF FLUZONE VACCINE (SUBVIRION) IN
INFANTS BELOW THE AGE OF 6 MONTHS HAVE NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED.


  #16  
Old April 6th 08, 01:10 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
Jan Drew
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Default Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?


"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Jan Drew wrote:


"Jan Drew" wrote in message
. ..

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
On Apr 3, 11:09 pm, Kulacz wrote:
On Apr 3, 10:56 pm, "Jan Drew" wrote:





http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.c...t-flu-shot-whi...


Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?
I have noticed a lot of people coming here from "Can I get the flu shot
while pregnant" search term.


So I will post directly on this issue.


The CDC and it's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)
recommends the flu shot for pregnant women.


However, I believe that this is an irresponsible recommendation as the
flu
shot has not been safety tested on pregnant women.


And despite the fact that some of these flu vaccines are not for use in
children, the CDC and ACIP have not issued a warning for pregnant women
not
to have them.


Additionally, despite repeated requests from parents of vaccine injured
children, the CDC and ACIP will not state a preference for pregnant
women to
receive only Thimerosal free flu shots.


From the vaccine package inserts:


Fluarix (Thimerosal free):
Pregnancy: Pregnancy Category C. Animal reproduction studies have not
been
conducted with FLUARIX. It is not known whether FLUARIX can cause fetal
harm
when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction
capacity.
FLUARIX should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed. The
ACIP
has issued recommendations regarding the use of the influenza virus
vaccine
in pregnant women.


Nursing Mothers: It is not known whether FLUARIX is excreted in human
milk.
Because many drugs are excreted in human milk, caution should be
exercised
when FLUARIX is administered to a nursing woman. The ACIP has issued
recommendations regarding the use of the influenza virus vaccine in
nursing
mothers.


Pediatric Use: FLUARIX IS NOT INDICATED FOR USE IN CHILDREN.


Flulaval (Contains Thimerosal):
Pregnancy: Pregnancy Category C. Animal reproduction studies have not
been
conducted with FLULAVAL. It is also not known whether FLULAVAL can
cause
fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect
reproduction
capacity. FLULAVAL should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly
needed.


Nursing Mothers: It is not known whether FLULAVAL is excreted in human
milk.
Because many drugs are excreted in human milk, caution should be
exercised
when FLULAVAL is administered to a nursing woman.


Pediatric Use: Safety and effectiveness of FLULAVAL in pediatric
patients
have not been established.


Flumist (Thimerosal Free):
Pregnancy: Pregnancy Category C Animal reproduction studies have not
been
conducted with FluMist. It is not known whether FluMist can cause fetal
harm
when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction
capacity.
FluMist should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.
The effect of the vaccine on embryo-fetal and pre-weaning development
was
evaluated in a developmental toxicity study using pregnant rats
receiving
the frozen formulation. Groups of animals were administered the vaccine
either once (during the period of organogenesis on gestation day 6) or
twice
(prior to gestation and during the period of organogenesis on gestation
day
6), 250mcL/rat/occasion (approximately 110-140 human dose equivalents
based
on TCID50), by intranasal instillation. No adverse effects on
pregnancy,
parturition, lactation, embryo-fetal or preweaning development were
observed. There were no vaccine related fetal malformations or other
evidence of teratogenesis noted in this study.


Nursing Mothers: It is not known whether FluMist is excreted in human
milk.
Therefore, as some viruses are excreted in human milk and additionally,
because of the possibility of shedding of vaccine virus and the close
proximity of a nursing infant and mother, caution should be exercised
if
FluMist is administered to nursing mothers.


Pediatric Use: FluMist is not indicated for use in children 24 months
of
age. FluMist use in children 24 months has been associated with
increased
risk of hospitalization and wheezing in clinical trials [see Warnings
and
Precautions (5.1) and Adverse Reactions (6.1)].


Fluvirin (Contains Thimerosal)
Pregnancy: Pregnancy Category C
Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza
Virus
Vaccine (FLUVIRIN®). It is also not known whether Influenza Virus
Vaccine
(FLUVIRIN®) can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman
or
can affect reproduction capacity. Influenza Virus Vaccine (FLUVIRIN®)
should
be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.
The clinical judgment of the attending physician should prevail at all
times
in determining whether to administer Influenza Virus Vaccine to a
pregnant
woman.


Pediatric Use: The safety and immunogenicity of FLUVIRIN® have been
established in the age group 4 years to 16 years. The use of FLUVIRIN®
in
these age groups is supported by evidence from adequate and
well-controlled
studies of FLUVIRIN® in adults that demonstrate the immunogenicity of
FLUVIRIN®. The safety and immunogenicity of FLUVIRIN® have not been
established in children 4 years of age.


Fluzone (Comes in both Thimerosal Containing and Thimerosal Free):
PREGNANCY CATEGORY C
Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza
Virus
Vaccine. It is not known whether Influenza Virus Vaccine can cause
fetal
harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction
capacity. Influenza Virus Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman
only
if clearly needed. For guidance regarding use in pregnant women, see
INDICATIONS AND USAGE section.


PEDIATRIC USE: SAFETY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF FLUZONE VACCINE (SUBVIRION)
IN
INFANTS BELOW THE AGE OF 6 MONTHS HAVE NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED.


There are reports that the immune adjuncts added to the flu vaccine
produce an inflammotory response that can pass to the fetus and have a
detrimental neurological effect.
Dr. Russel l Blaylock, MD, a neuroseurogeon, has reported on this.-


Chuckle. Look up BLaylock.
=
When you cannot refute, made up something that is a diversion.
Nothing to say about the truth posted in this thread, Mark?

Btw......

on Jul 3, 2006 wrote:

where no one, under any circumstances, respond to any of their messages,
for any reason. If they post something that needs to be refuted,
commencing a new thread without reference to them, would be proper.




When you cannot refute, made up something that is a diversion.


Yes, Jan. You're the expert at this.

Jeff


Using your words:
*Nice personal attack*

Ya think, Putz?

WHO posted those words with his fake UDP, notkidsdoc
Real one on HealthFraud list: Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz, M.D.

[2007] "Robert Watson"
Jeff Utz
Jeff Utz, M.D.
Jeffrey P. Utz, M.D. Hence "Putz"
http://www.msu.edu/~utz/
Jeffrey Peter, M.D.
Wyle E. Coyote
Jeff Utz (Jan 2003)
Jeff
Jeff (2007) STILL 2008

Now don't forget to answer.

It is noted you said nothing about the facts. Why?

  #17  
Old April 6th 08, 01:24 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
D. C. Sessions
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Default Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?

In message , Kevysmom wrote:

Jan the Flu Vaccine that is being promoted for pregnant women contains
25 mcg of mercury. The fetus is the most susceptible to
thimerosal(Mercury)


And the amazing malice of that artificially-intelligent
chemical manages to *ALL* go straight for the brain of
that helpless fetus!

How _does_ it do that, one wonders?

--
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| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions ----------+
  #18  
Old April 6th 08, 05:58 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
Richard Schultz
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Default Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?

In misc.health.alternative Kulacz wrote:
: On Apr 4, 8:16?am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew wrote:

: : Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?

: That depends. Have you ever seen the movie _Eraserhead_?

: Your comment certainly adds productive data to this issue.

It does for people who have seen the movie _Eraserhead_. I'm guessing that
you are not among them.

-----
Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
  #19  
Old April 6th 08, 06:03 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
Kulacz
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Default Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?

On Apr 6, 12:58*am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative Kulacz wrote:
: On Apr 4, 8:16?am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew wrote:

: : Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?

: That depends. *Have you ever seen the movie _Eraserhead_?

: Your comment certainly adds productive data to this issue.

It does for people who have seen the movie _Eraserhead_. *I'm guessing that
you are not among them.

-----
Richard Schultz * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."


Saw the movie
  #20  
Old April 6th 08, 09:34 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
Richard Schultz
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Default Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?

In misc.health.alternative Kulacz wrote:
: On Apr 6, 12:58?am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative Kulacz wrote:
: : On Apr 4, 8:16?am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: : In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew wrote:

: : : Can I Get The Flu Shot While Pregnant?

: : That depends. ?Have you ever seen the movie _Eraserhead_?

: : Your comment certainly adds productive data to this issue.

: It does for people who have seen the movie _Eraserhead_. ?I'm guessing that
: you are not among them.

: Saw the movie

In which case, you know exactly what productive data I have added.

-----
Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
 




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