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FWD bad judgement or abuse Trunk kids begged to ride
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:20:35 -0700, "bobb" wrote:
Well, Kane, I can't think of any good that might come out of riding in a trunk except the kids my find is rather smelly from exhaust and scream to get out. The CO that comes from unburned fuel components is odorless and tasteless. Exhaust fumes by themselves are not offense to all children or adults. In fact there's a number of them that love the smell. I kind of was hooked on deisal fumes myself when I was a teen. Now they make me neusious. A clue to get the exhaust system fixed. Nah.. that's too much of a stretch. Yeah, I'd say you are offering too much of a stretch. Kids tend to get quiet in small spaces and most likely would kick up an fuss at all, just considering the odor part of the excitement. I recall a family searching for a missing three or four year old for a couple of days, only to find him dead, in the station wagon that had already been checked in the first few minutes of the hunt with people loudly calling his name. He was in the rear side tool compartment. Crawled in, pulled it closed behind him playing hide and go seek, and it latched. I guess he just waited for someone to find him, but didn't get it that he had to call out. I think that was over 15 years ago so I'm unable to find a referrance but I remember it vividly. When I read it I imagined being that small boy. Of course, there is a chance those kids will learn that small spaces are fun... and not to be afraid of the dark. I can think of about 20 other safe alternatives that kids use. Hiding in closets, hide and go seek games, hiding under the covers reading comics by flashlight, building forts in brushpiles, to name just a few. Do you also advocate children learn about holding their breath by putting plastic bags over their heads? I know kids do practice holding their breaths. Gosh, our astronauts and deep sea divers are contained in spaces far smaller than a car trunk... Not these days they aren't. Not as small as a car trunk. and I've heard some guys to there best work in the dark. :-) And I do my best work by afternoon sunlight, thank you very much. {:-] I would suppose doing something new, and perhaps scary at first, has nothing to do with engaging in other new experiences, either. Scary in concept does not have to equate with dangerous in fact. Lots of perfectly harmless activities can be organized to LOOK and feel scary. The Fun house at the county fair comes to mind, or renting and viewing a copy of Psycho. A small, but certain, a confidence builder. Kids, and for that matter, adults learn from play time experiences Yes, they do that alright. and we never know how those experiences and opportunities affect later lives. We don't? I guess my psych 101 college class was a waste of time, at least the early childhood development and learning theory parts then. We seemed to cover them in depth so well I was motivated to go on and study learning theory in far greater detail. I'm a little miffed the researchers wasted my time fooling me into believing they had decades, actually centuries, of study of the subject. I should have just come and asked you how to learn. Got a question for yah though. Now that you know how to drive a car what do you think about the predictability of your drivers ed, or cut and paste experimentation, takes your choice, had to do with your current ability? There, see how easy it is to figure out how those experiences and opportunities affected your later life? Geez, bobb, could you dream up some more utterly inane statements to make on this subject. I'm writing a book and you could be a big help. "Ten Thousand Ways to Make a Complete Fool of Yourself" subtitled, "bobb Explains Life" Yeh... there are a lotta guys sitting in jail... innocents. Uhhhh. Sure. If you say so, pal. "Lotta" is a powerful piece of data that only a fool like me would discount. Those who put them there will claim they were following the laws, too. Yeah. There's hardly a guilty party in jail these days. And those damn prosecutors are mostly lying. Those dead and injured victims, those child ****er's victims, and other crybabies are all making a mountain out of a molehill. There are a lotta guys sitting in jail serving time that far exceed the nature of the crime, too. No doubt. Gimme another "lotta" will yah huh? One may argue the other side too. That there are a lot of guilty sitting in jail? That Mayflies in August portend a blustery winter? That Earnie Pyle was in fact a Martian? Help us out here, bobb. I'm still waiting to see those from ERON to go to jail. Me too. The penalties might not be enough to satisfy my blood lust revenge driven solutions to white collar crime. Hang`em all, is my motto. In perspective, they did a lot more to harm society as a whole than some guy possessing a small amount of marijuana, or even the likes of Kobe. I know. But then I wonder how they stack up against Pol Pot and Richard Speck? Oh well, speculation is my game. Ask and yee shall receive, I aims tah please: (a partial quote from the web site that is monitoring the Enron case) (and you won't get any argument from me about the seriousness) http://tinyurl.com/iz5g What is the current status of the Enron case? Because of the complexity of the Enron case and because of the number of people and partnerships being investigated, probes by the SEC and Department of Justice are ongoing. In addition, a class action lawsuit on behalf on Enron shareholders is in its early stages. Convictions As mentioned, the first to be convicted was former Enron executive Michael Kopper. Kopper worked closely with Andrew Fastow, the former chief financial officer, who has been indicted on 78 counts of conspiracy. In August 2002, Kopper was convicted to charges of money laundering and wire fraud. He had pled guilty to the charges. In addition, Enron's accounting firm, Arthur Anderson, LLP, has been convicted of obstruction of justice. Employees were involved in a massive destruction of files pertaining to Enron, preventing the court from seeing past financial records, transactions, emails, memos, and other potentially relevant documents. Anderson was responsible for auditing Enron and for ensuring that its accounting practices adhered to regulations. Arthur Anderson was also fined $500,000 and was placed on five years probation. Indictments, Defendants, and Investigations There are more than 29 defendants listed in a case filed by the federal government against Enron and its executives. Some of those suspected of wrongdoing a · Jeffrey Skilling, former Enron president who served as CEO from February to August 2001 · Andrew Fastow, former chief financial officer who was in charge of LJM and has been indicted on 78 counts of conspiracy (he has pleaded not guilty on all counts) · Richard Causey, former chief accounting officer · Jeffrey McMahon, former treasurer · Ben Glisan Jr., former treasurer · Kenneth L. Lay, founder, former chairman, and former CEO of Enron · J. Clifford Baxter, former vice chairman, died of apparent suicide in January 2002 · Wendy L. Gramm, member of Enron's Board of Directors and its audit committee · Gary Mulgrew, Greenwich Nat West bank employee, accused of defrauding his company through the LJM investment · Giles Robert Hugh Darby, Greenwich Nat West bank employee, accused of defrauding his company through the LJM investment · David John Bermingham, Greenwich Nat West bank employee, accused of defrauding his company through the LJM investment J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. officials have been interrogated regarding their role in dealings with former Enron executives, but no criminal charges have been filed. In addition, a lawsuit has been filed against Enron's law firm, Vinson & Elkins LLP. Timothy Belden, a former Enron energy trader pleaded guilty to charges of conspiracy regarding illegal dealings that took advantage of the California energy crisis. In essence, he explained, Enron took energy out of California to avoid price caps, sent it elsewhere to make a profit, and then sold it back to California at higher prices." Apparently there's more to come. It seems Sen. Patrick Leahy agrees with us though. http://tinyurl.com/iz85 The following quote is from his web site suggestion some changes in the fraud laws: (it's worth the read to understand the changes coming on fraud-go look) "In addition, the current statutes and penalties for actually committing securities fraud are inadequate. S. 2010 would remedy these shortcomings. Current laws are filled with overly technical requirements and do not always take into account the extent of the securities fraud in fashioning punishment. The law should penalize those is corporate management who actually defrauded thousands of investors, not just those at accounting firms who destroyed documents to cover it up." I want you to notice that while the actual prosecutions are going rather slowly, that is a good thing, while laws are changed to reflect the seriousness of these crimes and, will be in place in time for the coming trials, or so we can hope. bobb Kane |
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FWD bad judgement or abuse Trunk kids begged to ride
Kane, all these incidents you mentioned were unsupervised. Big difference.
Don't beg the issue by saying today's astronauts now have larger living quarters. I'm not that easily distracted from the original thought. We don't? I guess my psych 101 college class was a waste of time, at least the early childhood development and learning theory parts then. We seemed to cover them in depth so well I was motivated to go on and study learning theory in far greater detail. I'm a little miffed the researchers wasted my time fooling me into believing they had decades, actually centuries, of study of the subject. I should have just come and asked you how to learn. Fortunately, I was never subjected to the brain-washing of drivers ed. I say that because I was surprised to learned some very basics of safe driving are not taught. That's another subject but suffice it to say I have driven cars and trucks and buses, I have driven in more that 30 countries under varying laws and conditions.. all without an accident. Good luck on your book, and feel free to give me credit. It'll be a best seller for sure. Those who put them there will claim they were following the laws, too. It's not to say there aren't any guilty people in jail.. but it does seem there are far too many innocents. Remember, the only one exposed to date have been those on death row. This say nothing about those who are in jail for lesser crimes. This is to say nothing about those who plead guitly to crime they didn't committ in order to avoid a longer sentence. It's called plea bargining... or legal black mail... take your choice. I wasn't talking about the likes of a Richard Speck. The majority of people in jail are there for much less serious crimes. But, as I've often said, there are those who need to the move the extreme to justify a point when all else fails. As for ENRON and other white collar criminals... they have stolen millions of dollars. Yet now matter how long their jail sentences are they will have gained more money each year than we will in a lifetime. In very few instances will they ever be called upon to repay what they have stolen. Therein lies a huge injustice. And do they really do 'hard time'? Hahaha.... I think not. The familes of convicted while collar criminals will go on with little effect. Dad may as well be on vacation yet he defrauded and stole from thousands, if not thousands of people... and who knows how many were driven to suicide and bankruptcy. Still... there are those who advocate jailing a mother who engaged in 'negligent' behavior or did in fact use poor judgement and suffered the loss of a child. A lifetime sentence of guilt. Think as you will...but justice and fairness is sorely lacking in our legal system. bobb |
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