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Old August 20th 03, 12:18 PM
Mel Gamble
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But that's not what she's talking about, Bob...

"gini52" wrote in message
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"Mel Gamble" wrote
..........................

What is "discrimination" when you're insisting that someone wishing to

take
part in a government program meet some requirements to qualify? It's

done
all
the time.

===
If drug testing is a requirement for welfare moms receiving benefits, it
should be
required of all persons receiving benefits. Surely you aren't suggesting
that a repeated
action by the government proves the action's legitimacy are you ,Mel?
You really don't want to go there do you? ;-)
===


92% of welfare recipients are mothers. the other 8% who are fathers should
be tested too.


She's talking about testing CEO's of corporations receiving "corporate
welfare". Honestly, that's what she's saying. And that failure to do so would
make the drug testing of welfare recipients "discriminatory" because the CEO's
wouldn't be subject to the same requirements for their "welfare" as the welfare
mothers.

I just don't know where she's coming from. How many dependents do you have to
have to get a $200-million "welfare check"? Should Chrysler have been forced
to take some of their government held in the form of surplus cheese????

Mel Gamble

Mel and I live in a state that has secured federal welfare-reform waivers.
Our state already places means tested requirements on all welfare
recipients. Our state requires all people on welfare to work toward
self-sufficiency. We have increased sanctions for non-cooperation. We
require teen parents on welfare to live in a safe place. We have a medical
payment recovery program that identifies and recovers medical overpayments
made to public assistance clients. We have an overpayment recovery program
that places liens on personal-injury settlement awards. We have third-party
recovery programs to examine how medical costs are reimbursed and by whom.
We require welfare clients to identify the child's other parent and sign
over CS and spousal support rights to the state.

Our state is coming at the drug and alcohol problem by requiring progress
towards self-sufficiency. Adding drug testing into the mix will only
strengthen the state's stated goal to move welfare recipients towards
self-sufficiency as quickly as possible. Right now we provide them training
and treatment to deal with their addictions. The problem is these people
have to self-select to receive this program. Drug testing would make it
mandatory.






  #182  
Old August 20th 03, 06:39 PM
Bob Whiteside
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"Mel Gamble" wrote in message
...
That makes about as much sense as saying that welfare moms should have

proof of
their military service, since there are government programs where that is

a
requirement in order to receive the benefits. Or saying that welfare moms
should be forced to hire an independent accounting firm to "do their

books"
like the corporations are forced to do in order to get their handouts....


This response got me thinking. Do welfare mothers have to prove the child
really exists and is really their own child to collect welfare? What
requirements are placed on women to show they met the most basic of all
welfare entry requirements? Could they be using each others babies to
multiply their welfare payments into bigger paydays?


  #183  
Old August 20th 03, 06:39 PM
Bob Whiteside
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"Mel Gamble" wrote in message
...
That makes about as much sense as saying that welfare moms should have

proof of
their military service, since there are government programs where that is

a
requirement in order to receive the benefits. Or saying that welfare moms
should be forced to hire an independent accounting firm to "do their

books"
like the corporations are forced to do in order to get their handouts....


This response got me thinking. Do welfare mothers have to prove the child
really exists and is really their own child to collect welfare? What
requirements are placed on women to show they met the most basic of all
welfare entry requirements? Could they be using each others babies to
multiply their welfare payments into bigger paydays?


  #184  
Old August 21st 03, 04:05 AM
Tracy
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Mel Gamble" wrote in message
...
That makes about as much sense as saying that welfare moms should have

proof of
their military service, since there are government programs where that

is
a
requirement in order to receive the benefits. Or saying that welfare

moms
should be forced to hire an independent accounting firm to "do their

books"
like the corporations are forced to do in order to get their

handouts....

This response got me thinking. Do welfare mothers have to prove the child
really exists and is really their own child to collect welfare? What
requirements are placed on women to show they met the most basic of all
welfare entry requirements? Could they be using each others babies to
multiply their welfare payments into bigger paydays?



Probably not to your satisfaction, but yes a parent receiving public aid
must "prove" their child exists. They must show a social security card,
birth records, and/or court document(s), to show they are responsible for
the care of the child. Prior to the days when social security cards were
required for tax purposes and/or receipt of government aid, a person
applying for government aid could "easily" claim many more children than
they actually have. Some even crossed state lines to apply for welfare in
multiple states. The government started to really crack down on such abuse
cases many years ago.

To comment on Mel's response above - when I was attending college prior to
'97 I was receiving food stamps and medical coverage for my oldest two sons.
On the forms were questions pertaining to the military service, work, and
other. They wanted to verify if the applicant is qualified for any other
types of aid before receiving public aid. I don't blame them for asking
those questions, because if someone is qualified to receive benefits under a
different program they should be receiving that before they are receiving
welfare (like unemployment, medical due to military, etc).

Now let's compare the above to working for a corporation... when my ex
applied for welfare he has never required to submit blood for a drug test.
I was required to for my current job. No one would have never been denied
welfare if they were in trouble with the law (couldn't pass an FBI check) -
meanwhile I had to pass an FBI check twice. Once to work for the school
district and the other to work where I currently do. Some employers run
credit checks on you. In my opinion - you are required to jump through many
more hoops to work in the corporate world than to receive welfare. Who
knows, perhaps some of those big time corporate criminals will be receiving
welfare someday. They'll quickly learn it is much easier to have the
government/tax-payers support you than work.



Tracy
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type of thinking that created them."
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  #185  
Old August 21st 03, 04:05 AM
Tracy
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Default Where the CS goes....

"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Mel Gamble" wrote in message
...
That makes about as much sense as saying that welfare moms should have

proof of
their military service, since there are government programs where that

is
a
requirement in order to receive the benefits. Or saying that welfare

moms
should be forced to hire an independent accounting firm to "do their

books"
like the corporations are forced to do in order to get their

handouts....

This response got me thinking. Do welfare mothers have to prove the child
really exists and is really their own child to collect welfare? What
requirements are placed on women to show they met the most basic of all
welfare entry requirements? Could they be using each others babies to
multiply their welfare payments into bigger paydays?



Probably not to your satisfaction, but yes a parent receiving public aid
must "prove" their child exists. They must show a social security card,
birth records, and/or court document(s), to show they are responsible for
the care of the child. Prior to the days when social security cards were
required for tax purposes and/or receipt of government aid, a person
applying for government aid could "easily" claim many more children than
they actually have. Some even crossed state lines to apply for welfare in
multiple states. The government started to really crack down on such abuse
cases many years ago.

To comment on Mel's response above - when I was attending college prior to
'97 I was receiving food stamps and medical coverage for my oldest two sons.
On the forms were questions pertaining to the military service, work, and
other. They wanted to verify if the applicant is qualified for any other
types of aid before receiving public aid. I don't blame them for asking
those questions, because if someone is qualified to receive benefits under a
different program they should be receiving that before they are receiving
welfare (like unemployment, medical due to military, etc).

Now let's compare the above to working for a corporation... when my ex
applied for welfare he has never required to submit blood for a drug test.
I was required to for my current job. No one would have never been denied
welfare if they were in trouble with the law (couldn't pass an FBI check) -
meanwhile I had to pass an FBI check twice. Once to work for the school
district and the other to work where I currently do. Some employers run
credit checks on you. In my opinion - you are required to jump through many
more hoops to work in the corporate world than to receive welfare. Who
knows, perhaps some of those big time corporate criminals will be receiving
welfare someday. They'll quickly learn it is much easier to have the
government/tax-payers support you than work.



Tracy
~~~~~~~
http://www.hornschuch.net/tracy/
"You can't solve problems with the same
type of thinking that created them."
Albert Einstein

*** spamguard in place! to email me: tracy at hornschuch dot net ***



 




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