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Where the CS goes....
But that's not what she's talking about, Bob...
"gini52" wrote in message ... "Mel Gamble" wrote .......................... What is "discrimination" when you're insisting that someone wishing to take part in a government program meet some requirements to qualify? It's done all the time. === If drug testing is a requirement for welfare moms receiving benefits, it should be required of all persons receiving benefits. Surely you aren't suggesting that a repeated action by the government proves the action's legitimacy are you ,Mel? You really don't want to go there do you? ;-) === 92% of welfare recipients are mothers. the other 8% who are fathers should be tested too. She's talking about testing CEO's of corporations receiving "corporate welfare". Honestly, that's what she's saying. And that failure to do so would make the drug testing of welfare recipients "discriminatory" because the CEO's wouldn't be subject to the same requirements for their "welfare" as the welfare mothers. I just don't know where she's coming from. How many dependents do you have to have to get a $200-million "welfare check"? Should Chrysler have been forced to take some of their government held in the form of surplus cheese???? Mel Gamble Mel and I live in a state that has secured federal welfare-reform waivers. Our state already places means tested requirements on all welfare recipients. Our state requires all people on welfare to work toward self-sufficiency. We have increased sanctions for non-cooperation. We require teen parents on welfare to live in a safe place. We have a medical payment recovery program that identifies and recovers medical overpayments made to public assistance clients. We have an overpayment recovery program that places liens on personal-injury settlement awards. We have third-party recovery programs to examine how medical costs are reimbursed and by whom. We require welfare clients to identify the child's other parent and sign over CS and spousal support rights to the state. Our state is coming at the drug and alcohol problem by requiring progress towards self-sufficiency. Adding drug testing into the mix will only strengthen the state's stated goal to move welfare recipients towards self-sufficiency as quickly as possible. Right now we provide them training and treatment to deal with their addictions. The problem is these people have to self-select to receive this program. Drug testing would make it mandatory. |
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"Mel Gamble" wrote in message ... That makes about as much sense as saying that welfare moms should have proof of their military service, since there are government programs where that is a requirement in order to receive the benefits. Or saying that welfare moms should be forced to hire an independent accounting firm to "do their books" like the corporations are forced to do in order to get their handouts.... This response got me thinking. Do welfare mothers have to prove the child really exists and is really their own child to collect welfare? What requirements are placed on women to show they met the most basic of all welfare entry requirements? Could they be using each others babies to multiply their welfare payments into bigger paydays? |
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Where the CS goes....
"Mel Gamble" wrote in message ... That makes about as much sense as saying that welfare moms should have proof of their military service, since there are government programs where that is a requirement in order to receive the benefits. Or saying that welfare moms should be forced to hire an independent accounting firm to "do their books" like the corporations are forced to do in order to get their handouts.... This response got me thinking. Do welfare mothers have to prove the child really exists and is really their own child to collect welfare? What requirements are placed on women to show they met the most basic of all welfare entry requirements? Could they be using each others babies to multiply their welfare payments into bigger paydays? |
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
nk.net... "Mel Gamble" wrote in message ... That makes about as much sense as saying that welfare moms should have proof of their military service, since there are government programs where that is a requirement in order to receive the benefits. Or saying that welfare moms should be forced to hire an independent accounting firm to "do their books" like the corporations are forced to do in order to get their handouts.... This response got me thinking. Do welfare mothers have to prove the child really exists and is really their own child to collect welfare? What requirements are placed on women to show they met the most basic of all welfare entry requirements? Could they be using each others babies to multiply their welfare payments into bigger paydays? Probably not to your satisfaction, but yes a parent receiving public aid must "prove" their child exists. They must show a social security card, birth records, and/or court document(s), to show they are responsible for the care of the child. Prior to the days when social security cards were required for tax purposes and/or receipt of government aid, a person applying for government aid could "easily" claim many more children than they actually have. Some even crossed state lines to apply for welfare in multiple states. The government started to really crack down on such abuse cases many years ago. To comment on Mel's response above - when I was attending college prior to '97 I was receiving food stamps and medical coverage for my oldest two sons. On the forms were questions pertaining to the military service, work, and other. They wanted to verify if the applicant is qualified for any other types of aid before receiving public aid. I don't blame them for asking those questions, because if someone is qualified to receive benefits under a different program they should be receiving that before they are receiving welfare (like unemployment, medical due to military, etc). Now let's compare the above to working for a corporation... when my ex applied for welfare he has never required to submit blood for a drug test. I was required to for my current job. No one would have never been denied welfare if they were in trouble with the law (couldn't pass an FBI check) - meanwhile I had to pass an FBI check twice. Once to work for the school district and the other to work where I currently do. Some employers run credit checks on you. In my opinion - you are required to jump through many more hoops to work in the corporate world than to receive welfare. Who knows, perhaps some of those big time corporate criminals will be receiving welfare someday. They'll quickly learn it is much easier to have the government/tax-payers support you than work. Tracy ~~~~~~~ http://www.hornschuch.net/tracy/ "You can't solve problems with the same type of thinking that created them." Albert Einstein *** spamguard in place! to email me: tracy at hornschuch dot net *** |
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
nk.net... "Mel Gamble" wrote in message ... That makes about as much sense as saying that welfare moms should have proof of their military service, since there are government programs where that is a requirement in order to receive the benefits. Or saying that welfare moms should be forced to hire an independent accounting firm to "do their books" like the corporations are forced to do in order to get their handouts.... This response got me thinking. Do welfare mothers have to prove the child really exists and is really their own child to collect welfare? What requirements are placed on women to show they met the most basic of all welfare entry requirements? Could they be using each others babies to multiply their welfare payments into bigger paydays? Probably not to your satisfaction, but yes a parent receiving public aid must "prove" their child exists. They must show a social security card, birth records, and/or court document(s), to show they are responsible for the care of the child. Prior to the days when social security cards were required for tax purposes and/or receipt of government aid, a person applying for government aid could "easily" claim many more children than they actually have. Some even crossed state lines to apply for welfare in multiple states. The government started to really crack down on such abuse cases many years ago. To comment on Mel's response above - when I was attending college prior to '97 I was receiving food stamps and medical coverage for my oldest two sons. On the forms were questions pertaining to the military service, work, and other. They wanted to verify if the applicant is qualified for any other types of aid before receiving public aid. I don't blame them for asking those questions, because if someone is qualified to receive benefits under a different program they should be receiving that before they are receiving welfare (like unemployment, medical due to military, etc). Now let's compare the above to working for a corporation... when my ex applied for welfare he has never required to submit blood for a drug test. I was required to for my current job. No one would have never been denied welfare if they were in trouble with the law (couldn't pass an FBI check) - meanwhile I had to pass an FBI check twice. Once to work for the school district and the other to work where I currently do. Some employers run credit checks on you. In my opinion - you are required to jump through many more hoops to work in the corporate world than to receive welfare. Who knows, perhaps some of those big time corporate criminals will be receiving welfare someday. They'll quickly learn it is much easier to have the government/tax-payers support you than work. Tracy ~~~~~~~ http://www.hornschuch.net/tracy/ "You can't solve problems with the same type of thinking that created them." Albert Einstein *** spamguard in place! to email me: tracy at hornschuch dot net *** |
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