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Old May 4th 07, 10:55 PM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
Bob Whiteside
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"Paul Anderson" wrote in message
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On Fri, 4 May 2007 13:15:09 -0700, "DB" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in

Abortion is not murder, that's one of many of your lies. Abortion
avoids a unwanted baby, saved from being abused.


LOL, so how do you "avoid" a baby that is already conceived and is a

living
being?


You lie to support the lie.

Conception is merely a point in the human reproduction cycle. There
is not baby at conception, nor for many months later if at all. A
baby is an infant or a young child; an infant is A child in the first
period of life, beginning at his birth. Until there is a birth, there
is no child, no living being. Which is why abortion is not and never
has been considered to be murder (except by Pro-Lifers, and then only
for the purpose of opposing abortion.)


So how do you explain the Violence Against Unborn Children Act and the fact
34 states has statutes making it illegal to kill an unborn child?

Abortion is court sanctioned murder that exempts mothers and doctors who
legally terminate the unborn child's rights. When anyone other than a
mother or doctor terminates an unborn child's legal rights, it is considered
a crime.


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Old May 5th 07, 12:43 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
Robert[_2_]
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On Fri, 4 May 2007 13:15:09 -0700, "DB" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in

Abortion is not murder, that's one of many of your lies. Abortion
avoids a unwanted baby, saved from being abused.


LOL, so how do you "avoid" a baby that is already conceived and is a living
being?

At some point, you do have to end it's life right?


No, you terminate the pregnancy, before there is a baby. preferably
before the embryo attaches to the uterus. The morning after pill, is
almost ideal.

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Old May 5th 07, 12:48 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
Robert[_2_]
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On Fri, 4 May 2007 13:53:01 -0700, "DB" wrote:


"Paul Anderson" wrote in

period of life, beginning at his birth. Until there is a birth, there
is no child, no living being.


Oh, so I guess ripping the legs and arms off a living & growing being is OK
with your conscience?

That's fine, nobody said you were moral!

Regardless of what you want to call a fetus, you still have to kill it to
end it's life, right?

End of civility, because of your persistent lying. No, you dumb ****
life began's at birth. A abortion doesn't kill a baby, because babies
have been born.





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Old May 5th 07, 01:38 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
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On May 4, 2:55 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote:
"Paul Anderson"

......
Conception is merely a point in the human reproduction cycle. There
is not baby at conception, nor for many months later if at all. A
baby is an infant or a young child; an infant is A child in the first
period of life, beginning at his birth. Until there is a birth, there
is no child, no living being. Which is why abortion is not and never
has been considered to be murder (except by Pro-Lifers, and then only
for the purpose of opposing abortion.)


So how do you explain the Violence Against Unborn Children Act


Pro-Life fantasy. There is no such act.

and the fact
34 states has statutes making it illegal to kill an unborn child?


Since abortion is legal in all 50 states, another Pro-Life fantasy.
What is a fact is that abortion is not and never has been considered
murder in any legal jurisdiction anywhere and anytime.

Abortion is court sanctioned murder


You continue to post this lie

that exempts mothers and doctors who
legally terminate the unborn child's rights. When anyone other than a
mother or doctor terminates an unborn child's legal rights, it is considered
a crime.


well DUH!! The killing an unborn child against the wishes of the
woman has been a crime for at least 3,000 years. That law is Pro-
Choice -- Pro-Choice supports the woman's right to choose to carry to
term. Killing an unborn child against her wishes is a Pro-Life
position.

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Old May 5th 07, 02:26 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
DB
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"Paul Anderson" wrote in

Without birth, there is no separate life. Ask yourself why you are
forced to constantly lie to promote the "Pro-Life" agenda.


It's not a pro-life agenda, common sense says that to end life you have to
kill it.
You people have sanitized this vile act to the point where you actually
believe your own tripe.

Mate, I could care less what you do with your own family, seems a dog has
more rights than your own unborn.

I'm sure for you It's no different than squashing a bug under your shoe and
you scrape it off with little thought to its' existence. We were all put on
this earth for a reason, who are you to decide the fate of all future
generations?


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Old May 5th 07, 02:35 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
DB
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in


is no child, no living being. Which is why abortion is not and never
has been considered to be murder (except by Pro-Lifers, and then only
for the purpose of opposing abortion.)


So how do you explain the Violence Against Unborn Children Act and the
fact
34 states has statutes making it illegal to kill an unborn child?


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0040401-3.html

The state seems to recognise that unborns have a soul!

Abortion is court sanctioned murder that exempts mothers and doctors who
legally terminate the unborn child's rights.


Yes, nomatter how they slice it, dice it or chop it into pieces to kill
thenew life being, it's still murder.
Just because it's legal, doesn't make it right!


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Old May 5th 07, 02:53 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
Bob Whiteside
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wrote in message
oups.com...
On May 4, 2:55 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote:
"Paul Anderson"

.....
Conception is merely a point in the human reproduction cycle. There
is not baby at conception, nor for many months later if at all. A
baby is an infant or a young child; an infant is A child in the first
period of life, beginning at his birth. Until there is a birth, there
is no child, no living being. Which is why abortion is not and never
has been considered to be murder (except by Pro-Lifers, and then only
for the purpose of opposing abortion.)


So how do you explain the Violence Against Unborn Children Act


Pro-Life fantasy. There is no such act.


You are correct - I misspoke. The correct name for the law is the Unborn
Victims of Violence Act of 2004.


and the fact
34 states has statutes making it illegal to kill an unborn child?


Since abortion is legal in all 50 states, another Pro-Life fantasy.
What is a fact is that abortion is not and never has been considered
murder in any legal jurisdiction anywhere and anytime.


Your statement above is not true. Abortion was considered a crime before
Roe v. Wade. Many jurisdictions classifed that crime as murder.


Abortion is court sanctioned murder


You continue to post this lie


Not true. Abortions were court sanctioned by judcial activists who clearly
stated they didn't know where the right to privacy could be found in the
Constitution but they felt there should be a right to privacy. There is no
legal argument to support this stance and Justice Blackmun who wrote the Roe
v. Wade decision acknowldged that fact. The U.S. Supreme Court overstepped
its authority by creating public policy (normally a function of the
Congress) for abortion. Whether you call it murder, infanticide, or a
medical procedure, abortions are a court only sanctioned event.


that exempts mothers and doctors who
legally terminate the unborn child's rights. When anyone other than a
mother or doctor terminates an unborn child's legal rights, it is

considered
a crime.


well DUH!! The killing an unborn child against the wishes of the
woman has been a crime for at least 3,000 years. That law is Pro-
Choice -- Pro-Choice supports the woman's right to choose to carry to
term. Killing an unborn child against her wishes is a Pro-Life
position.


The killing of an unborn child against the wishes of the mother has just
recently become a crime. Pro-Choice advocates aggressively argued against
making the killing of an unborn child a crime because they feared its
passage would somehow limit abortions. The irony is the Violence Against
Unborn Children Act has given fathers access to the legal system to seek
justice when an unborn child is murdered. Preventing fathers from having
legal recourse in the event of an unborn child's death was a significant
motivator for feminists to try to prevent the act from being passed. Their
concern, of course, is the next step is for fathers to have a say in whether
their child can be aborted.


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Old May 5th 07, 03:14 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
Bob Whiteside
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"DB" wrote in message
...

"Paul Anderson" wrote in

Without birth, there is no separate life. Ask yourself why you are
forced to constantly lie to promote the "Pro-Life" agenda.


It's not a pro-life agenda, common sense says that to end life you have to
kill it.
You people have sanitized this vile act to the point where you actually
believe your own tripe.

Mate, I could care less what you do with your own family, seems a dog has
more rights than your own unborn.

I'm sure for you It's no different than squashing a bug under your shoe

and
you scrape it off with little thought to its' existence. We were all put

on
this earth for a reason, who are you to decide the fate of all future
generations?


Good points. The legal penalties for killing an endangered species or
damaging a wetlands area are grossly more serve when compared to the
non-consequences of terminating an unwanted children. It's just amazing to
think about how human life has a lesser value than spotted owls or sea lions
or native plants.




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Old May 5th 07, 04:23 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
DB
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in

It's just amazing to think about how human life has a lesser value than
spotted owls or sea lions
or native plants.


Well for those that would kill their own innocent child, their lives are
not worth much.



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Old May 5th 07, 10:03 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
Paul Anderson
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On Fri, 4 May 2007 18:53:49 -0700, "Bob Whiteside"
wrote:


wrote in message
roups.com...
On May 4, 2:55 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote:
"Paul Anderson"

.....
Conception is merely a point in the human reproduction cycle. There
is not baby at conception, nor for many months later if at all. A
baby is an infant or a young child; an infant is A child in the first
period of life, beginning at his birth. Until there is a birth, there
is no child, no living being. Which is why abortion is not and never
has been considered to be murder (except by Pro-Lifers, and then only
for the purpose of opposing abortion.)


So how do you explain the Violence Against Unborn Children Act


Pro-Life fantasy. There is no such act.


You are correct - I misspoke. The correct name for the law is the Unborn
Victims of Violence Act of 2004.


Ah, same as State legislation you mention below, the killing an unborn
child against the wishes of the woman has been a crime for at least
3,000 years. That law is Pro-Choice -- Pro-Choice supports the
woman's right to choose to carry to term. Killing an unborn child
against her wishes is a Pro-Life position.

Much the same as the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which codified
into Federal Law that the life ofd a human being begins at birth.

and the fact
34 states has statutes making it illegal to kill an unborn child?


Since abortion is legal in all 50 states, another Pro-Life fantasy.
What is a fact is that abortion is not and never has been considered
murder in any legal jurisdiction anywhere and anytime.


Your statement above is not true. Abortion was considered a crime before
Roe v. Wade. Many jurisdictions classifed that crime as murder.


Being a crime does not make an act murder. No jurisdiction classified
abortion as murder -- if otherwise was true then it would be trivial
to cite the actual legislation. Has never been done because such has
never existed.

Abortion is court sanctioned murder


You continue to post this lie


Not true. Abortions were court sanctioned.....


Not sanctioned, not murder. Your constant lies are boring.

.....

well DUH!! The killing an unborn child against the wishes of the
woman has been a crime for at least 3,000 years. That law is Pro-
Choice -- Pro-Choice supports the woman's right to choose to carry to
term. Killing an unborn child against her wishes is a Pro-Life
position.


The killing of an unborn child against the wishes of the mother has just
recently become a crime.


Exodus whatever -- "when men strive...." You can also look up
Blackstone's commentaries. Get yoursellf educated.
 




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