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CHICKEN POX VACCINE ASSOCIATED WITH SHINGLES EPIDEMIC Gary S. Goldman, Ph.D.
john wrote:
PRESS RELEASE Contact: Gary S. Goldman, Ph.D. Phone: 661-944-5661 Fax: 661-944-4483 For Immediate Rrelease CHICKEN POX VACCINE ASSOCIATED WITH SHINGLES EPIDEMIC But John, vaccines don't work and chicken pox isn't caused by a virus anyway, right? Right, John? It's caused by persistent wrong feeding of children leading to a natural healing crisis, I thought. Or maybe it's caused by elimination of toxic fat or fatty acids through the hair fat gland. Or if it is caused by a virus, it's not as though the vaccine works - the vaccine is ineffective and certainly can't eradicate the chicken pox virus. Right? So this guy is just full of it. Or what? Does the damn vaccine work or not? You can't simultaneously claim it doesn't work and blame it for working too well. Unless you're an idiot. Beth |
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On 1 Sep 2005 14:06:07 -0700, "
wrote: Unless you're an idiot. I think you've just solved the riddle. PF |
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excatholic wrote: Mark Probert wrote: wrote: john wrote: PRESS RELEASE Contact: Gary S. Goldman, Ph.D. Phone: 661-944-5661 Fax: 661-944-4483 For Immediate Rrelease CHICKEN POX VACCINE ASSOCIATED WITH SHINGLES EPIDEMIC But John, vaccines don't work and chicken pox isn't caused by a virus anyway, right? Right, John? It's caused by persistent wrong feeding of children leading to a natural healing crisis, I thought. Or maybe it's caused by elimination of toxic fat or fatty acids through the hair fat gland. Or if it is caused by a virus, it's not as though the vaccine works - the vaccine is ineffective and certainly can't eradicate the chicken pox virus. Right? So this guy is just full of it. Or what? Does the damn vaccine work or not? You can't simultaneously claim it doesn't work and blame it for working too well. Unless you're an idiot. Beth, correct me if I am wrong...I thought that shingles was something that was caused by dormant chicken pox virus after a person got chicken pox/ Now, if the vaccine actually prevents one from getting chicken pox. and the vaccine in not a live virus, then, that person is also protected against getting shingles. Am I wrong, or is someone missing something? I *think* you're right. The abstract does actually say "As vaccinated children replace those with a prior history of wild-type varicella in the 10 age group, increasing HZ incidence among this cohort will be of less concern in the near future. " However, the concern seems to be that people who *have* had chicken pox won't get the immunological boost that apparently occurs from being exposed to wild-type varicella-zoster virus, because kids aren't getting the disease anymore. In other words, you are more likely to develop shingles if you are not further exposed to chicken pox. I think. Cathy Got the damn name wrong again. |
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excatholic wrote: Mark Probert wrote: wrote: john wrote: PRESS RELEASE Contact: Gary S. Goldman, Ph.D. Phone: 661-944-5661 Fax: 661-944-4483 For Immediate Rrelease CHICKEN POX VACCINE ASSOCIATED WITH SHINGLES EPIDEMIC But John, vaccines don't work and chicken pox isn't caused by a virus anyway, right? Right, John? It's caused by persistent wrong feeding of children leading to a natural healing crisis, I thought. Or maybe it's caused by elimination of toxic fat or fatty acids through the hair fat gland. Or if it is caused by a virus, it's not as though the vaccine works - the vaccine is ineffective and certainly can't eradicate the chicken pox virus. Right? So this guy is just full of it. Or what? Does the damn vaccine work or not? You can't simultaneously claim it doesn't work and blame it for working too well. Unless you're an idiot. Beth, correct me if I am wrong...I thought that shingles was something that was caused by dormant chicken pox virus after a person got chicken pox/ Now, if the vaccine actually prevents one from getting chicken pox. and the vaccine in not a live virus, then, that person is also protected against getting shingles. Am I wrong, or is someone missing something? I *think* you're right. The abstract does actually say "As vaccinated children replace those with a prior history of wild-type varicella in the 10 age group, increasing HZ incidence among this cohort will be of less concern in the near future. " However, the concern seems to be that people who *have* had chicken pox won't get the immunological boost that apparently occurs from being exposed to wild-type varicella-zoster virus, because kids aren't getting the disease anymore. In other words, you are more likely to develop shingles if you are not further exposed to chicken pox. Yes, what excatholic said. People who never get the chicken pox because they have been protected by the vaccine won't develop shingles. However, right now most of the adult population of the US has had chicken pox and thus we're all carrying zoster around with us. We're the ones at risk for shingles if our immune systems aren't occasionally goosed by exposure to the wild virus. Presumably the problem would shake itself out eventually, but with potential negative public health effects in the near term. As the article says, there is a shingles vaccine in the works, but then compliance will be an issue. The chicken pox vaccine may well in retrospect have had unintended consequences that offset the intended consequences. However, it's important (for John) to note that this is only happening because THE VACCINE WORKS. Beth |
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PF Riley wrote: On 1 Sep 2005 14:06:07 -0700, " wrote: Unless you're an idiot. I think you've just solved the riddle. PF I know, and usually I don't respond to John. For some reason this chicken pox thing is what gets my goat; it makes it so blatantly obvious that all he has to know is that a particular piece of information is 'anti-vaccine' in some way, even if it's hopelessly inconsistent with his other 'information'. Arg. Beth |
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"excatholic" wrote in message ups.com... Mark Probert wrote: wrote: john wrote: PRESS RELEASE Contact: Gary S. Goldman, Ph.D. Phone: 661-944-5661 Fax: 661-944-4483 For Immediate Rrelease CHICKEN POX VACCINE ASSOCIATED WITH SHINGLES EPIDEMIC But John, vaccines don't work and chicken pox isn't caused by a virus anyway, right? Right, John? It's caused by persistent wrong feeding of children leading to a natural healing crisis, I thought. Or maybe it's caused by elimination of toxic fat or fatty acids through the hair fat gland. Or if it is caused by a virus, it's not as though the vaccine works - the vaccine is ineffective and certainly can't eradicate the chicken pox virus. Right? So this guy is just full of it. Or what? Does the damn vaccine work or not? You can't simultaneously claim it doesn't work and blame it for working too well. Unless you're an idiot. Beth, correct me if I am wrong...I thought that shingles was something that was caused by dormant chicken pox virus after a person got chicken pox/ Now, if the vaccine actually prevents one from getting chicken pox. and the vaccine in not a live virus, then, that person is also protected against getting shingles. Am I wrong, or is someone missing something? I *think* you're right. The abstract does actually say "As vaccinated children replace those with a prior history of wild-type varicella in the 10 age group, increasing HZ incidence among this cohort will be of less concern in the near future. " However, the concern seems to be that people who *have* had chicken pox won't get the immunological boost that apparently occurs from being exposed to wild-type varicella-zoster virus, because kids aren't getting the disease anymore. In other words, you are more likely to develop shingles if you are not further exposed to chicken pox. Fortunately, there is a way to give an immunological boost against chicken pox: immunization. I believe studies show that older adults who get the chicken pox vaccine suffer from fewer episodes of shingles. There are fewer episodes of younger people who get shingles who have been vaccinated vs. those who have not been. Jeff I think. Cathy |
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Jeff wrote: Fortunately, there is a way to give an immunological boost against chicken pox: immunization. I believe studies show that older adults who get the chicken pox vaccine suffer from fewer episodes of shingles. There are fewer episodes of younger people who get shingles who have been vaccinated vs. those who have not been. Again, though, the problem with depending on a system which requires adults to get regularly vaccinated is that compliance can be a problem. From a medical perspective it's a perfect solution, from a public health perspective it's a bit of a headache. Beth |
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Vaccination of a child with the varicella (chickenpox) vaccine actually introduces into the body a live, attenuated (weakened) varicella-zoster virus which can reactivate at a later time--producing shingles (or herpes zoster). However, the vaccine-strain virus is comprised of the Oka-strain which was derived from a Japanese child. When a vaccinated child in the U.S. encounters one of the U.S. wild-type strains, the vaccinated child may experience a subclincal reaction (with no observable rash) or a breakthrough rash (often less than 50 lesions) due to the encounter with a child with the natural or wild-type virus. It is believed that this occurs due to the dissimilarity between the Oka-strain and wild-type U.S. strain (i.e., the strains are heterologous). The natural virus then becomes the dominant virus in the body that is more likely to reactivate. As an example, I just received an e-mail from a parent whose child was vaccinated at age 1. The child had a breakthrough chickenpox rash at age 3, and now has shingles at age 10. -- GarySGoldman |
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