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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:21:20 GMT, Nan wrote:
Well, I agree that clothing suited to physical requirements is a Good Thing. However, I have to laugh at the number of posts saying part of the job *requirement* is to get on the floor and play. AFAIK, it's not a requirement of DD5s preschool teachers *or* the Stay and Play staff. They *might* decide to crawl around and play outside, but it certainly isn't "required", and I don't think I ever saw any of the teachers or DC gals doing so. It is a requirement in many infant and toddler rooms I have worked in. Not as much as the kids get older because teachers are doing more *sedate* activities such as table top games rather than things on the floor, but we sure did floor puzzles with the kids in my preschool classes. They may not be on the floor constantly, but they need to be able to do this *and* to be able to play with the kids outside as well. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 23:57:42 -0500, toto
wrote: It is a requirement in many infant and toddler rooms I have worked in. Not as much as the kids get older because teachers are doing more *sedate* activities such as table top games rather than things on the floor, but we sure did floor puzzles with the kids in my preschool classes. They may not be on the floor constantly, but they need to be able to do this *and* to be able to play with the kids outside as well. That makes sense. When I think of "preschool" I think of kids above the age of 3, not infants and toddlers. I've only had my kids in either "daycare" for infants and toddlers, or "preschool" at the age of 4. Classes are actually held, and I've never seen any of the teachers crawl on the floor, but it's not full-time care, either. It's a 2-1/2 hr. school session 3 days a week. Nan |
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"Nan" wrote in message ... On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:07:23 -0400, "bizby40" wrote: something as frivolous as dress. I contend that if your DCPs crossed *your* personal line of what is appropriate, whatever that might be, that you would then feel that the matter of dress was more important. You insult too easily, then. Because *I* pay more attention to the standard of care, not how someone is dressed. If the OP is unhappy with the standard of care, she's not mentioning it. If the clothing is her only gripe, I do feel that is trivial in the Big Picture, considering the "teachers" aren't performing ritual sacrifices naked. Re-read what I said. The OP probably didn't consider how they dressed to be important until they crossed the line of her comfort level. Just because your line is at a different place than hers, does not mean that she places more emphasis on clothing than on care. If the staff at your DCP began wearing clothing that for whatever reason crossed out of *your* comfort zone, then you would likely complain about that, even if the level of care remained the same. Bizby |
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"Barbara Bomberger" wrote in message ... On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:07:23 -0400, "bizby40" wrote: There is a continuum from nudity to full artic gear. Everyone draws the line at what is acceptable at a different place. The OP felt these girls were dressed too revealingly. You'd draw the line at a different place. Fine. But when you said (of your own DCPs) "they're great with all the kids, and that is what I feel is important, not how they're dressed." I took that as a rather insulting statement. As if the OP should be ashamed to have focused on something as frivolous as dress. I contend that if your DCPs crossed *your* personal line of what is appropriate, whatever that might be, that you would then feel that the matter of dress was more important. The OP made no mention of the kind of job these gals were doing, whether her kids liked them, and so on and so forth. So that leaves us assuming that they are doing a good job, and her kids like them. Unless my provider were half nude, or wearing slogans that include swearing, I would be more interested in the kind of care that she provided to the kids My kids have over the years had teachers who dressed the style you are talking about, goth, preppy, and one who was an elizabethan fan who wore all those period clothing. I also had one that I never saw out of jeans. This doesnt even begin to discuss their hair styles or whatever. As long as they were caring with my kids, had a good relationship, and got the educational message across, that is all I care about . If the OP is as concerned about teh kind of dress she is describing, then she probably wants to move to a place more in line with her views. barb As people are parroting each other to me today, let me just repeat what I said to Nan: "The OP probably didn't consider how they dressed to be important until they crossed the line of her comfort level. Just because your line is at a different place than hers, does not mean that she places more emphasis on clothing than on care. If the staff at your DCP began wearing clothing that for whatever reason crossed out of *your* comfort zone, then you would likely complain about that, even if the level of care remained the same." Bizby |
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Nan wrote:
Well, I agree that clothing suited to physical requirements is a Good Thing. However, I have to laugh at the number of posts saying part of the job *requirement* is to get on the floor and play. AFAIK, it's not a requirement of DD5s preschool teachers *or* the Stay and Play staff. They *might* decide to crawl around and play outside, but it certainly isn't "required", and I don't think I ever saw any of the teachers or DC gals doing so. It is *absolutely* a requirement in our preschool. It is clearly specified in the job description, and it is one of the questions we ask during interviews. And personally, I would not accept any less from a preschool teacher. Best wishes, Ericka |
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"enigma" wrote in message
. .. "bizby40" wrote in : I think most of us would have a line that we wouldn't want our DCPs to cross. Would you object to someone with a violent t-shirt, or one of those shirts with snakes coming through the eye sockets of a skull? I would -- I'd be afraid that the images would be upsetting to my child. How about profanity? I'd be upset by that as well, even if my child was too young to read it or know what it meant. What if they worked in a bikini? Or if they were male and generally worked without a shirt? That's fine for the pool, but doesn't seem right for a pre-school environment. Heck -- what if they were nudists? so, you want all your daycare providers/teachers dressed like this? http://www.plainlydressed.com/ Of course not. get a grip. no one is advocating *any* of your histronic scenarios. i just don't see why the dress of these college students is an issue, unless it actually interferes with thier job performance. The histrionic scenarios were merely to point out that everyone has a line they don't want their DCPs to cross. The OP seems upset with the sexual nature of the dress of the Day Care workers. Sure she could change day cares. But if she's been happy with it otherwise, don't you think it's appropriate for her to address the situation with the owner? I do. If the owner refuses to do anything about it, then the OP needs to decide whether or not it's something worth switching over. they're collrge students wearing what kids thier age wear. of course, mini-skirt is totally subjective... is it mini (mid- upper thigh) or mini! (thier butt is showing)? They're college students wearing what *some* kids their age wear. And for whoever said that it's too much to expect the college girls to purchase a professional wardrobe for a summer job -- I think "professional" in this case really only means modest. A few t-shirts that cover their bellies and so forth. why? are bellies that taboo in society currently? most summer jobs, especially in childcare, are minimum wage. yes, in that situation i *do* think it's too much to expect they should buy special clothes for work. when i was working summers, it was because i needed that money for next semester, not to buy clothes. YMMV, i suppose. If they don't have any appropriate clothing and can't or won't get any, then they might just have to look for a more suitable job. Bizby |
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"Jeanne" wrote in message ... bizby40 wrote: That's fine for the pool, but doesn't seem right for a pre-school environment. Heck -- what if they were nudists? Uhmmm...have you HEARD of nude daycare ??? What's up with these WAY OUT extreme hypotheticals? As I've said repeatedly, it was only to point out that pretty much everyone has a line they wouldn't want their DCPs to cross. No. If she's happy with the care of her children, the appearance of the workers is just that - their appearance. I don't pretend I have that much control over other people, relative or not. You're right -- she doesn't have that much control. She can bring her concerns to the owner (which she's done) and then she can decide to keep her children there or not. I suggested switching daycares because that seemed to me a reasonable solution. If I'm unhappy with the workers for whatever reason (and inappropriate dress is a valid reason) I don't think an individual customer should be able to force a dress code. But as an individual customer I can take my business elsewhere. I do think that an individual customer should voice their concerns though. It may be that 5 other individual customers voice the same concerns and then something is done. Bizby |
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Nan wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 23:57:42 -0500, toto wrote: It is a requirement in many infant and toddler rooms I have worked in. Not as much as the kids get older because teachers are doing more *sedate* activities such as table top games rather than things on the floor, but we sure did floor puzzles with the kids in my preschool classes. They may not be on the floor constantly, but they need to be able to do this *and* to be able to play with the kids outside as well. That makes sense. When I think of "preschool" I think of kids above the age of 3, not infants and toddlers. I've only had my kids in either "daycare" for infants and toddlers, or "preschool" at the age of 4. Classes are actually held, and I've never seen any of the teachers crawl on the floor, but it's not full-time care, either. It's a 2-1/2 hr. school session 3 days a week. While our 2yo teachers spend more time on the floor than our 3yo or 4yo teachers, all of them are down there occasionally for circle time, doing floor puzzles, sitting with a child in their laps, building block towers, and all sorts of other things. I think one of the hallmarks of a good preschool is teachers who are down on the children's level, rather than directing from on high. I seem to recall something in the NAEYC standards describing this as desirable behavior as well. Best wishes, Ericka |
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Barbara Bomberger wrote:
But the OPs objection was to the style, not to the function. And wearing a shirt short enough to show a belly button does NOT mean that when you stretch your hands up, you automatically show everything. Goodness, if it did, I would be in trouble, as I dress on the "liberal side" I guess. And I'm an old woman. Personally, I was more worried about the other end of the skirt. It is difficult for me to imagine anything I'd call a mini skirt that would permit a teacher to be down on the floor playing with kids without being inappropriate. I also don't get the resistance to the notion that it is appropriate to have some dress standards for preschool teachers. The dress code for much of the professional world is *much* more strict than it is for preschoolers, and believe me, looking at it from the perspective of *running* a preschool, I'm *quite* well aware that if we had teachers dressed in mini skirts, not only would it be an indication that the teachers weren't doing their job as expected, but we'd be getting plenty of phone calls from irate parents. For every parent who's cool with midriff baring tops, low cut pants, and mini skirts, there'll be another who isn't keen on that role model for her preschool-aged daughter (or son). I can't afford to run a preschool where half the parents are ****ed off over teachers' attire. Best wishes, Ericka |
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Barbara Bomberger wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:22:45 -0400, Ericka Kammerer wrote: Mary wrote: Have any of you faced a teacher, preschool or otherwise that dressed inappropriately? Recently, I experienced a situation with "teachers" (they were actually college students doing a summer intern-job) that wore low ride, cotton, white, mini skirts, with no slips (do people still wear slips?). One has a tongue stud. Both wore shirts with their belly buttons exposed. It is a delicate situation in that I am related to the owner. I did say something to the owner, but then let the subject die. I can say that husband is eager to drive my daughters to the school! In a previous preschool, the teachers had tattoos, but they covered them up. I have a tattoo as well, but if I was in a professional situation, I would cover it up. Hmm...I'm a little surprised by the responses. I sit on the board of a preschool. From my perspective, the tongue piercing is not an issue, as long as it's not being fiddled with all the time. However, while we do not have a detailed dress code, it doesn't particularly sound like the above described attire would be acceptable at our school. We expect the teachers to be in clothes that they can get down on the floor with the kids, or run and play with the kids. I don't really see how a mini skirt fits that bill (as I imagine they're not wearing bloomers ;-) Even college students helping out in the school would be expected to show up dressed appropriately--clean, neat, and ready for play. We sometime have teens or college age folks helping out a bit, and their dress does tend to be a bit less conservative than the older women (which is fine), but if you can't sit cross-legged on the floor or reach your arms over your head without exposing something you shouldn't, I think our Director would suggest a change of clothing would be in order. I bet that the mini skirts were probably shorts or culottes, after reading the post. If they were shorts or skorts or culottes, I wouldn't have a problem with it, assuming they weren't outrageously short. I wouldn't rush to assume the OP couldn't tell the difference, though. It's usually quite obvious to me whether someone is wearing a skirt or a skort. Best wishes, Ericka |
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