Epidemic: Thank you Dr. Wakefield

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Andrew Wakefield is a sad case. He started out with what I am sure
were the best of intentions (to explore the null hypothesis that the
MMR might not pose any health risk autism), but he was blinded by
the allure of international recognition and forgot his role as a
researcher.

******** to that, you vaccinators have to think that or your world
would
crumble

I don't know why Wakefield said what he said.

The reality of the matter is that vaccines save millions of lives a
year.
And they have been proven safe.

Jeff

http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_coverup.htm

Do you have a credible source?

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Andrew Wakefield is a sad case. He started out with what I am sure
were the best of intentions (to explore the null hypothesis that the
MMR might not pose any health risk autism), but he was blinded by
the allure of international recognition and forgot his role as a
researcher.

******** to that, you vaccinators have to think that or your world
would
crumble

I don't know why Wakefield said what he said.

The reality of the matter is that vaccines save millions of lives a
year.
And they have been proven safe.

Jeff

http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_coverup.htm

Do you have a credible source?

YES

http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_coverup.htm

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Andrew Wakefield is a sad case. He started out with what I am sure
were the best of intentions (to explore the null hypothesis that the
MMR might not pose any health risk autism), but he was blinded
by
the allure of international recognition and forgot his role as a
researcher.

******** to that, you vaccinators have to think that or your world
would
crumble

I don't know why Wakefield said what he said.

The reality of the matter is that vaccines save millions of lives a
year.
And they have been proven safe.

Jeff

http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_coverup.htm

Do you have a credible source?

YES

http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_coverup.htm



NO

This is a story about a letter that claims that a research study found harm
to children for thimerosal preservative in vaccines. NO referrence to the
original study is given, only an opinion. This does not constitute a
credible source. In fact, let's look at the source. This website is also
campaigning against fluoride, monosodium glutamate, aspartame, genetically
modified foods, chemtrails [!], Codex Alimentarius, and, of course,
vaccinations in general. They also sell "ministerial credentials" up to and
including "ordained minister" "if you feel it's something you need".

--Rich

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Do you have a credible source?

YES

http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_coverup.htm

Neither the site (world natural health organziation) nor the author
(Baylock) are, IMHO, credible.

Perhaps you can find some peer-reviewed articles to back your views or, at
least, ones by a credible author or on a credible site.

Thanks.

Jeff

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Andrew Wakefield is a sad case. He started out with what I am sure
were the best of intentions (to explore the null hypothesis that
the
MMR might not pose any health risk autism), but he was blinded
by
the allure of international recognition and forgot his role as a
researcher.

******** to that, you vaccinators have to think that or your world
would
crumble

I don't know why Wakefield said what he said.

The reality of the matter is that vaccines save millions of lives a
year.
And they have been proven safe.

Jeff

http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_coverup.htm

Do you have a credible source?

YES

http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_coverup.htm

NO. When I asked for a credible source, I had already read the bull**** at
the website and did not find it credible. Merely because you find it
credible does not make it so. Remember, you believe that saleshype is the
same thing as evidence.

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"Jeff" wrote in message
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"john" wrote in message
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Andrew Wakefield is a sad case. He started out with what I am sure
were the best of intentions (to explore the null hypothesis that
the
MMR might not pose any health risk autism), but he was blinded
by
the allure of international recognition and forgot his role as a
researcher.

******** to that, you vaccinators have to think that or your world
would
crumble

I don't know why Wakefield said what he said.

The reality of the matter is that vaccines save millions of lives a
year.
And they have been proven safe.

Jeff

http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_coverup.htm

Do you have a credible source?

YES

http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_coverup.htm



NO

This is a story about a letter that claims that a research study found
harm to children for thimerosal preservative in vaccines. NO referrence to
the original study is given, only an opinion. This does not constitute a
credible source. In fact, let's look at the source. This website is also
campaigning against fluoride, monosodium glutamate, aspartame, genetically
modified foods, chemtrails [!], Codex Alimentarius, and, of course,
vaccinations in general. They also sell "ministerial credentials" up to
and including "ordained minister" "if you feel it's something you need".

--Rich

On page 16 as well, Dr. Johnson makes an incredible statement, one that
defines the problem we have in this country with the promoters of these
vaccines. He states, "As an aside, we found a cultural difference between
vaccinologist and environmental health people in that many of us in the
vaccine arena have never thought about uncertainty factors before. We tend
to be relatively concrete in our thinking." Then he says, "One of the big
cultural events in that meeting ---was when Dr. Clarkson repetitively
pointed out to us that we just didn't get it about uncertainty, and he was
actually quite right."

This is an incredible admission. First, what is a vaccinologist? Do you go
to school to learn to be one? How many years of residency training are
required to be a vaccinologist? Are there board exams? It's a stupid term
used to describe people who are obsessed with vaccines, not that they
actually study the effects of the vaccines, as we shall see throughout this
meeting. Most important is the admission by Dr. Johnson that he and his
fellow "vaccinologist" are so blinded by their obsession with forcing
vaccines on society that they never even considered that there might be
factors involved that could greatly affect human health, the so-called
"uncertainties."

Back to Jeff's statement:

And they have been proven safe.

Indeed they have not.

http://www.909shot.com/Issues/VAERS.htm

LL/Jan

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Do you have a credible source?

YES

http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_coverup.htm

Neither the site (world natural health organziation) nor the author
(Baylock) are, IMHO, credible.

Yess, we know you aren't for health *freedom*

Perhaps you can find some peer-reviewed articles to back your views

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_fraud

Perhaps you will find your views there.


or, at
least, ones by a credible author or on a credible site.



Thanks.

Jeff

Perhaps you need to retract your statement.

They are proven to be safe.

That is untrue.

http://www.909shot.com/Issues/VAERS.htm

In 1986, Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act

See the word ****Injury*****, Jeff???

Guess, what?? That means. UNSAFE!

LL/Jan

"LadyLollipop" wrote in news:U6uie.3306
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Perhaps you need to retract your statement.

They are proven to be safe.

That is untrue.

http://www.909shot.com/Issues/VAERS.htm

In 1986, Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act

See the word ****Injury*****, Jeff???

Guess, what?? That means. UNSAFE!

Only to someone living in a fantasy world where "safe" means "zero
risk." In reality-land, we only call something "unsafe" if the risk of
it causing injury exceeds its benefits. For example, both driving while
sober and driving while drunk are capable of causing serious injury to
oneself or others. We call the first one "safe" and the second one
"unsafe" because being drunk while driving substantially increases the
risk of causing injury without offering any benefit. We have no problems
talking about safe driving and safe drivers.

In the case of vaccines, the risks of *not* giving them vastly exceed the
risks of giving them. Neither option carries zero risk; the non-
vaccination option is far riskier than the vaccination option. Refusing
to acknowledge those risks won't make them go away. Sins of omission are
no better than sins of commission.

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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Do you have a credible source?

YES

http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_coverup.htm

Neither the site (world natural health organziation) nor the author
(Baylock) are, IMHO, credible.

Yess, we know you aren't for health *freedom*

Nothing about that site promotes true health freedom. For health freedom to
be real, it must include freedom from bull****. Thus, that site is
anti-health freedom.

Perhaps you can find some peer-reviewed articles to back your views

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_fraud

Perhaps you will find your views there.

You will find good information he

www.quackwatch.com.

Cue Jan to snip that. She is as predictable as a fart after a bowl of beans.


or, at
least, ones by a credible author or on a credible site.



Thanks.

Jeff

Perhaps you need to retract your statement.

They are proven to be safe.

That is untrue.

http://www.909shot.com/Issues/VAERS.htm

In 1986, Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act

See the word ****Injury*****, Jeff???

Guess, what?? That means. UNSAFE!

LL/Jan

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"LadyLollipop" wrote in news:U6uie.3306
$z_.2243@attbi_s71:

Perhaps you need to retract your statement.

They are proven to be safe.

That is untrue.

http://www.909shot.com/Issues/VAERS.htm

In 1986, Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act

See the word ****Injury*****, Jeff???

Guess, what?? That means. UNSAFE!

Only to someone living in a fantasy world where "safe" means "zero
risk." In reality-land, we only call something "unsafe" if the risk of
it causing injury exceeds its benefits. For example, both driving while
sober and driving while drunk are capable of causing serious injury to
oneself or others. We call the first one "safe" and the second one
"unsafe" because being drunk while driving substantially increases the
risk of causing injury without offering any benefit. We have no problems
talking about safe driving and safe drivers.

In the case of vaccines, the risks of *not* giving them vastly exceed the
risks of giving them. Neither option carries zero risk; the non-
vaccination option is far riskier than the vaccination option. Refusing
to acknowledge those risks won't make them go away. Sins of omission are
no better than sins of commission.

Risk exceed the benefits means very little to those damaged for life.

Jeff's statement is untrue.

For more information, read the entire website, every parent has a right to
know.

LL/Jan