New familial autism link discovered

Robert wrote:
"Mark Probert" wrote in


Now, Jan Drew, do you have enough intellectual honesty to acknowledge

yours?

I guess not. One can be sure that they will misrepresent anything in pushing
their agenda.

These days, Jan will never admit to me that she was wrong after she
trashed me.

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
mike wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:10:58 -0500, Mark Probert wrote:


wrote:

Vaccine-man wrote:


23/11/05 - Health news section

Autism family link discovered



snipped to save space

Another study led by Brendon Nacewicz, from the University of
Wisconsin-Madison Medical School in the United States, tested for
avoidance of eye contact, a common feature of autism.

Eye contact is a culture specific thing.

Controlled for by using subjects from one culture.

Not in every country children
are taught this way. In is not necessarily an indication of autistic
tendencies.

"Individuals with autism have difficulties with many forms of social
communication, and their gaze processing is impaired at various levels,
such as eye contact, gaze following, joint attention, and understanding
gaze within a mentalistic framework..."

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/99/14/9602

Scholar Results 1 - 20 of about 5,150 for eye contact autism. (0.18
seconds)


While parents seemed normal in this respect, brothers of autistic
children avoided eye contact just as strongly as their affected
siblings.


Find this story at
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...page_id =1797



Eric D. Peterson, M.D., F.A.C.C., Associate Professor of Medicine, Duke
University Medical Center, Durham, NC. Received research grants from
Millenium, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Schering-Plough, and CV Therapeutics.
On the speakers' bureaus for Millennium and Schering-Plough.
(Circulation. 2004;110:2506-49.)

***

All of these companies make vaccines.

So? The Dr. Peterson that the articles refers to is in *Colorado* named
Eric Peter Peterson, MD, and the bull**** you posted refers to Eric David
Peterson, MD, the cardiologist. Of course, the other Dr. Eric W.
Peterson, the psychiatrist, also in North Carolina, may have been the
one...nope...his middle intial is 'W'.

If this shoots a big hole in your conspiracy theory crap, please learn to
live with it.


Does not look like a response to the comment "all these companies make
vaccines". And this fact is very relevant.

It may be, if the person that was referenced was the right one. However,
the person who was paid by the companies is a cardiologist in North
Carolina, and the physician who did the research is in Colorado.

I'll delete the rest of your paranoid conspiracy crap. Of course, if you
still want to maintaint that there is a relevancy feel free to do so. You
do have the absolute right to be wrong.

*In your opinion*

Your opinion could be ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

What YOU call *paranoid conspiracy crap* is most likely the TRUTH.

Restored:

It is like Philip Morris
financing a study on genetics of lung cancer. Would the researchers find
"familial links"? Most likely, yes. When a patient comes to a doctor's
office for the first time, he/she must answer questions about family
history of diseases, including heart disease, cancer etc. All of them have
genetic components. Autism is no exception.

Of course such a hypothetical study of lung cancer genetics would be a
distraction from other causes. So it is no wonder that vaccine
manufacturers finance a study leading away from environmental causes of
autism. And the latest increase in autism can have only environmental
causes because the genes do not mutate that fast.

JanD wrote:
"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...

mike wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:10:58 -0500, Mark Probert wrote:



wrote:


Vaccine-man wrote:



23/11/05 - Health news section

Autism family link discovered



snipped to save space

Another study led by Brendon Nacewicz, from the University of
Wisconsin-Madison Medical School in the United States, tested for
avoidance of eye contact, a common feature of autism.

Eye contact is a culture specific thing.

Controlled for by using subjects from one culture.

Not in every country children

are taught this way. In is not necessarily an indication of autistic
tendencies.

"Individuals with autism have difficulties with many forms of social
communication, and their gaze processing is impaired at various levels,
such as eye contact, gaze following, joint attention, and understanding
gaze within a mentalistic framework..."

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/99/14/9602

Scholar Results 1 - 20 of about 5,150 for eye contact autism. (0.18
seconds)


While parents seemed normal in this respect, brothers of autistic
children avoided eye contact just as strongly as their affected
siblings.


Find this story at
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...page_id =1797



Eric D. Peterson, M.D., F.A.C.C., Associate Professor of Medicine, Duke
University Medical Center, Durham, NC. Received research grants from
Millenium, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Schering-Plough, and CV Therapeutics.
On the speakers' bureaus for Millennium and Schering-Plough.
(Circulation. 2004;110:2506-49.)

***

All of these companies make vaccines.

So? The Dr. Peterson that the articles refers to is in *Colorado* named
Eric Peter Peterson, MD, and the bull**** you posted refers to Eric David
Peterson, MD, the cardiologist. Of course, the other Dr. Eric W.
Peterson, the psychiatrist, also in North Carolina, may have been the
one...nope...his middle intial is 'W'.

If this shoots a big hole in your conspiracy theory crap, please learn to
live with it.


Does not look like a response to the comment "all these companies make
vaccines". And this fact is very relevant.

It may be, if the person that was referenced was the right one. However,
the person who was paid by the companies is a cardiologist in North
Carolina, and the physician who did the research is in Colorado.

I'll delete the rest of your paranoid conspiracy crap. Of course, if you
still want to maintaint that there is a relevancy feel free to do so. You
do have the absolute right to be wrong.


*In your opinion*

Yes, my opinion based on facts. In fact (a word that scares you), the
original person who commented on the doctor being paid by vaccine
comapnies, acknowledged that he was incorrect, as I showed him, using F
A C T S that the doctor Eric Peterson referenced in the original article
was in Colorado, and the cardiologist who was paid by the pharmaceutical
companies is a cardiologist in North Carolina.

Does the fact that they are in two different states, and are separated
by approximately 1700 miles confuse you?


Your opinion could be ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

Yes, my opinion could be absolutely wrong. No question. I would give the
probability of that happening the same probability of the sun rising in
the west.

What YOU call *paranoid conspiracy crap* is most likely the TRUTH.

You would not know the truth if it were surgically implanted.

Restored:

That was not the issue that was being address, moron. That is why I
removed it, as it was irrelevant. None of my past comments pertain to
this, and none of my current ones do.

I'll leave it in for the causal reader who wants to be amused.

It is like Philip Morris
financing a study on genetics of lung cancer. Would the researchers find
"familial links"? Most likely, yes. When a patient comes to a doctor's
office for the first time, he/she must answer questions about family
history of diseases, including heart disease, cancer etc. All of them have
genetic components. Autism is no exception.

Of course such a hypothetical study of lung cancer genetics would be a
distraction from other causes. So it is no wonder that vaccine
manufacturers finance a study leading away from environmental causes of
autism. And the latest increase in autism can have only environmental
causes because the genes do not mutate that fast.

Mark Probert wrote:
JanD wrote:

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...

mike wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:10:58 -0500, Mark Probert wrote:



wrote:


Vaccine-man wrote:



23/11/05 - Health news section

Autism family link discovered



snipped to save space

Another study led by Brendon Nacewicz, from the University of
Wisconsin-Madison Medical School in the United States, tested for
avoidance of eye contact, a common feature of autism.


Eye contact is a culture specific thing.


Controlled for by using subjects from one culture.

Not in every country children

are taught this way. In is not necessarily an indication of autistic
tendencies.


"Individuals with autism have difficulties with many forms of social
communication, and their gaze processing is impaired at various
levels, such as eye contact, gaze following, joint attention, and
understanding gaze within a mentalistic framework..."

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/99/14/9602

Scholar Results 1 - 20 of about 5,150 for eye contact autism. (0.18
seconds)


While parents seemed normal in this respect, brothers of autistic
children avoided eye contact just as strongly as their affected
siblings.


Find this story at
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...page_id =1797





Eric D. Peterson, M.D., F.A.C.C., Associate Professor of Medicine,
Duke
University Medical Center, Durham, NC. Received research grants from
Millenium, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Schering-Plough, and CV
Therapeutics.
On the speakers' bureaus for Millennium and Schering-Plough.
(Circulation. 2004;110:2506-49.)

***

All of these companies make vaccines.


So? The Dr. Peterson that the articles refers to is in *Colorado*
named Eric Peter Peterson, MD, and the bull**** you posted refers
to Eric David Peterson, MD, the cardiologist. Of course, the other
Dr. Eric W. Peterson, the psychiatrist, also in North Carolina, may
have been the one...nope...his middle intial is 'W'.

If this shoots a big hole in your conspiracy theory crap, please
learn to live with it.



Does not look like a response to the comment "all these companies make
vaccines". And this fact is very relevant.


It may be, if the person that was referenced was the right one.
However, the person who was paid by the companies is a cardiologist
in North Carolina, and the physician who did the research is in
Colorado.

I'll delete the rest of your paranoid conspiracy crap. Of course, if
you still want to maintaint that there is a relevancy feel free to do
so. You do have the absolute right to be wrong.



*In your opinion*


Yes, my opinion based on facts. In fact (a word that scares you), the
original person who commented on the doctor being paid by vaccine
comapnies, acknowledged that he was incorrect, as I showed him, using F
A C T S that the doctor Eric Peterson referenced in the original article
was in Colorado, and the cardiologist who was paid by the pharmaceutical
companies is a cardiologist in North Carolina.

Does the fact that they are in two different states, and are separated
by approximately 1700 miles confuse you?


Your opinion could be ABSOLUTELY WRONG.


Yes, my opinion could be absolutely wrong. No question. I would give the
probability of that happening the same probability of the sun rising in
the west.

What YOU call *paranoid conspiracy crap* is most likely the TRUTH.


You would not know the truth if it were surgically implanted.

Restored:


That was not the issue that was being address, moron. That is why I
removed it, as it was irrelevant. None of my past comments pertain to
this, and none of my current ones do.

BTW, the reason that it does not apply is that the researchers finding a
familial link appear to have no ties to the vaccine manufacturers.

Jan does not like facts like this, as she cannot refute them with
knowledge and logic.


I'll leave it in for the causal reader who wants to be amused.

It is like Philip Morris
financing a study on genetics of lung cancer. Would the researchers find
"familial links"? Most likely, yes. When a patient comes to a doctor's
office for the first time, he/she must answer questions about family
history of diseases, including heart disease, cancer etc. All of them
have
genetic components. Autism is no exception.

Of course such a hypothetical study of lung cancer genetics would be a
distraction from other causes. So it is no wonder that vaccine
manufacturers finance a study leading away from environmental causes of
autism. And the latest increase in autism can have only environmental
causes because the genes do not mutate that fast.

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
news
JanD wrote:
....
When the name is common, checking is necessary. There are even multiple
me's.


But only ONY Mark S. Probert in NY.

The one that was D I S B A R R E D.

Oh, and you forgot to acknowledge your error as TC did. Do you have any
intellectual honesty????


There seems to be an epidemic of misidentifications and attempts at cyber
stalking this weekend by anti-vax folk, it is happening in blogs. It seems
when the facts do not go the way they want them, they throw a hissy fit.

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:10:57 -0800, Robert wrote:

All disease is a composite of genetics and environment. It is rare to have
all of one or the other.

Of course, and I said that autism does have a genetic component.

The point is, I was talking about INCREASE in autism. The incidence
increased 15-fold in the last 15 years. This increase can have only
environmental causes. Humans cannot just all of a sudden become more
genetically predisposed to autism, or cancer for that matter. The genes do
not mutate that fast. If say the number of people getting cancer sharply
increases then it would be an indication of something wrong in the
environment.

HCN wrote:
"Mark Probert" wrote in message
news
JanD wrote:

...

When the name is common, checking is necessary. There are even multiple
me's.


But only ONY Mark S. Probert in NY.

The one that was D I S B A R R E D.

Oh, and you forgot to acknowledge your error as TC did. Do you have any
intellectual honesty????



There seems to be an epidemic of misidentifications and attempts at cyber
stalking this weekend by anti-vax folk, it is happening in blogs. It seems
when the facts do not go the way they want them, they throw a hissy fit.

So I have noticed. It is amazing how the anti-vacs have come up with yet
another way to silence their opposition.

mike wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:10:57 -0800, Robert wrote:


All disease is a composite of genetics and environment. It is rare to have
all of one or the other.


Of course, and I said that autism does have a genetic component.

The point is, I was talking about INCREASE in autism. The incidence
increased 15-fold in the last 15 years. This increase can have only
environmental causes.

We have discussed that, and you never, ever, refuted what I showed you
to be the situation. Please continue to lie like that.

Humans cannot just all of a sudden become more
genetically predisposed to autism, or cancer for that matter. The genes do
not mutate that fast. If say the number of people getting cancer sharply
increases then it would be an indication of something wrong in the
environment.

JanD wrote:

But only ONY Mark S. Probert in NY.

The one that was D I S B A R R E D.

Jan, you are not G-d, and only G-d knows who is guilty.

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
news
JanD wrote:

But only ONY Mark S. Probert in NY.

The one that was D I S B A R R E D.

Jan, you are not G-d, and only G-d knows who is guilty.

Umm, NO. That won't work. This is NOT a murder case.

This has been PROVEN IN BLACK AND WHITE.

In the Matter of Mark Probert (Admitted as Mark S. Probert), a
Suspended Attorney, Respondent.
Grievance Committee for the Tenth Judicial District, Petitioner.

92-02731

SUPREME COURT OF NEW YORK, APPELLATE DIVISION, SECOND DEPARTMENT

183 A.D.2d 282; 590 N.Y.S.2d 747

November 9, 1992, Decided

PRIOR HISTORY: [***1]

Disciplinary proceedings instituted by the Grievance Committee for the
Tenth Judicial District. Respondent was admitted to the Bar on
February 15, 1978, at a term of the Appellate Division of the Supreme
Court in the Second Judicial Department, under the name Mark S.
Probert.

DISPOSITION: Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline
upon the respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is
granted; and it is further,

HEADNOTES: Attorney and Client - Disciplinary Proceedings

Respondent attorney, who is charged with 22 counts of failing to
cooperate with investigations of alleged misconduct by the Grievance
Committee, and who has failed to answer or appear, is disbarred.

COUNSEL:

Frank A. Finnerty, Jr., Westbury (Muriel L. Gennosa of counsel), for
petitioner.

JUDGES: Mangano, P. J., Thompson, Bracken, Sullivan and Harwood, JJ.,
concur.

Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline upon the
respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is granted; and
it is further,

Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary Law § 90, effective immediately,
the respondent, Mark Probert, is disbarred and his name is stricken
from the roll of attorneys and counselors-at-law; and it is further,

Ordered that the respondent shall continue to comply with this Court's
rules governing the conduct of disbarred, suspended and resigned
attorneys (22 NYCRR 691.10); and it is further,

Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary [***2] Law § 90, the respondent,
Mark Probert, is commanded to continue to desist and refrain (1) from
practicing law in any form, either as principal or as agent, clerk or
employee of another, (2) from appearing as an attorney or
counselor-at-law before any court, Judge, Justice, board, commission
or other public authority, (3) from giving to another an opinion as to
the law or its application or any advice in relation thereto, and (4)
from holding himself out in any way as an attorney and
counselor-at-law.

OPINIONBY: Per Curiam.

OPINION: [*282]

[**747] By decision and order of this Court dated September 29,
1989, the respondent was suspended from the practice of law until the
further order of this Court based upon his failure to cooperate with
the Grievance Committee. By further order of this Court dated June 4,
1992, the Grievance Committee was authorized to institute and
prosecute a disciplinary proceeding [*283] against the respondent
and the Honorable Moses M. Weinstein was appointed as Special Referee.

[**748] A notice of petition and petition was personally served upon
the respondent on July 2, 1992. No answer was forthcoming. The
petitioner now moves to hold the [***3] respondent in default. The
motion was personally served upon the respondent on August 14, 1992.
The respondent has failed to submit any papers in response to the
default motion.

The charges involve 22 counts of the respondent's failure to cooperate
with the Grievance Committee in its investigations into complaints of
professional misconduct.

The charges, if established, would require the imposition of a
disciplinary sanction against the respondent. Since the respondent has
chosen not to appear or answer in these proceedings, the charges must
be deemed established. The petitioner's motion to hold the respondent
in default and impose discipline is, therefore, granted. Accordingly,
the respondent is disbarred and his name is stricken from the roll of
attorneys and counselors-at-law, effective immediately