Multiple Chemical Sensitivity - The End of Controversy

On Oct 20, 12:17 am, rpautrey2 wrote:
TOTZJ, what are your credentials and/or experience with MCS? NONE!!!!!
PA

PA:

It is always interesting that individuals that post against the MCS
generally have no real personal experience
in the subject matter. Does it seem as funny to you as it does to
myself that people with no real personal experience about a subject
matter are quick to point fingers? And, although there are Pro and
Con studies about the subject matter that the one studies they tend to
post are against the diagnosis? Why not put "all of the information"
out so readers can have all of the information, and decide for
themselves?

I have no respect for anyone that has not walked in my old shoes, and
it is quick to point out that my health care might have been
imagined....I know for a fact it wasn't, and my conventional doctors
know it wasn't either.

I just 'consider the source.'

On Oct 20, 3:14 am, rpautrey2 wrote:
TOTZJ, your opinion isn't worth $0.02! When I cured my chronic
sinusitis my MCS went away that day!!!!! PA

In other words, you had sinusitis. When it subsided, your symptoms
went away.
You never had anything beyond sinusitis. Your somatization disorder
is in remission.....for now.



On Oct 18, 7:41 am, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote: On Oct 18, 3:03 am, "
wrote:

There is NO controversy, just denial from the paranoia gallery.

It exists as a somatization disorder. Its a psychiatric disorder,
not



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On Oct 20, 3:17 am, rpautrey2 wrote:
TOTZJ, what are your credentials and/or experience with MCS? NONE!!!!!
PA

My credentials? Are you freakin' kidding? You don't already know
from my 'nym?
Geez, PA, I'm (dramatic pause) a Licensed Acupuncturist!
I've seen more people
who've claimed to have MCS than you've had years of education.

My experience with MCS is far beyond your comprehension. Otherwise,
you'd be in total agreement with me.




On Oct 17, 4:09 pm, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote:



There is NO controversy, just denial from the paranoia gallery.

MCS is a somatization disorder. It is not an organic illness. It is
not mediated by chemicals, but the BELIEF that chemicals are present.
These are facts. These facts are borne out through replicated,
controlled studies.

Lying to people and enabling a victim mindset are inexcusible. They
do nothing to help and everything to hurt people whose somatization
takes this form.

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On Oct 20, 6:20 am, "
wrote:
On Oct 20, 12:17 am, rpautrey2 wrote:

TOTZJ, what are your credentials and/or experience with MCS? NONE!!!!!
PA

PA:



Its always interesting to me that individuals with psychiatric
disorders discount the facts that don't agree with their world view.
Its even more interesting that they insist nobody can understand their
condition unless they've had it. Its implications are as
confounded as their muddled conciousness. They would have one believe
that only a paranoid schizophrenic could treat a paranoid
schizophrenic and that a paralyzed stroke victim couldn't be treated
by someone who isn't a paralyzed stroke victim.


It is always interesting that individuals that post against the MCS
generally have no real personal experience
in the subject matter. Does it seem as funny to you as it does to
myself that people with no real personal experience about a subject
matter are quick to point fingers?

Does it seem as funny to Debbee that she pointed a finger at Mark
Lyndsay and lied about him exposing himself to her?
I'd think that Debbee would be more careful (or less reckless) with
her mouth, but that's just how she rolls (fat, happy, and stupid)


And, although there are Pro and
Con studies about the subject matter that the one studies they tend to
post are against the diagnosis? Why not put "all of the information"
out so readers can have all of the information, and decide for
themselves?

The facts have been validated by replicated studies. MCS is not an
organic disorder, it is a psychiatric conditon. It is not caused by
chemicals, but the BELIEF that chemicals (nebulous chemicals at that)
are poisoning them in ways nobody can quantify.



I have no respect for anyone that has not walked in my old shoes, and
it is quick to point out that my health care might have been
imagined....I know for a fact it wasn't, and my conventional doctors
know it wasn't either.

I'm sure you've been under a doctor's care, Debbee. I only hope that
you start & continue to get the counseling you need to stop viewing
yourself as a perpetual victim. Get over yourself, for crying out
loud!


I just 'consider the source.'

Yes, Medline is an excellent source.

rpautrey2 wrote:
TOTZJ, your opinion isn't worth $0.02! When I cured my chronic
sinusitis my MCS went away that day!!!!! PA


Hey, when my nose is stuffy, i.e sinusitis, I drink more water and it
goes away.

On Oct 18, 7:41 am, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote:
On Oct 18, 3:03 am, "
wrote:

There is NO controversy, just denial from the paranoia gallery.
It exists as a somatization disorder. Its a psychiatric disorder,
not
an organic disease. If you disagree, please state the organic basis
of this somatization disorder.

rpautrey2 wrote:
TOTZJ, what are your credentials and/or experience with MCS? NONE!!!!!

Personal experience is way overrated by you altieNuts. If you do not
agree, then go to you nearest high bridge and jump off. After all, if
you do not have personal experience with gravity, Newtons Laws of motion
and that sudden stop at the end, you NEED it to know that jumping off
bridges is not good for you.

As for credentials, I am sure I can find an advertisement for a
Naturopathic degree on a book of matches.

The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
On Oct 20, 3:17 am, rpautrey2 wrote:
TOTZJ, what are your credentials and/or experience with MCS? NONE!!!!!
PA

My credentials? Are you freakin' kidding? You don't already know
from my 'nym?
Geez, PA, I'm (dramatic pause) a Licensed Acupuncturist!
I've seen more people
who've claimed to have MCS than you've had years of education.

Since Naturopathy school is not really an *education* in the truest
sense, you have seen at least one person with MCS?


My experience with MCS is far beyond your comprehension. Otherwise,
you'd be in total agreement with me.



On Oct 17, 4:09 pm, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote:



There is NO controversy, just denial from the paranoia gallery.
MCS is a somatization disorder. It is not an organic illness. It is
not mediated by chemicals, but the BELIEF that chemicals are present.
These are facts. These facts are borne out through replicated,
controlled studies.
Lying to people and enabling a victim mindset are inexcusible. They
do nothing to help and everything to hurt people whose somatization
takes this form.
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On Oct 20, 12:17 am, rpautrey2 wrote:
TOTZJ, what are your credentials and/or experience with MCS? NONE!!!!!
PA

PA:

It is always interesting that individuals that post against the MCS
generally have no real personal experience
in the subject matter.

It has always been interesting to me how people can allow "personal
experience" to trump scientific knowledge.

Does it seem as funny to you as it does to
myself that people with no real personal experience about a subject
matter are quick to point fingers?

Not at all. To me, one does not need personal experience to understand
the world around them. For instance, I do not have to go to the South
Pole to know that it is very cold there.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/obop/spo/livecamera.html

And, although there are Pro and
Con studies about the subject matter that the one studies they tend to
post are against the diagnosis? Why not put "all of the information"
out so readers can have all of the information, and decide for
themselves?

Putting all the information out there is fine. However, it is important
to realize that the "pro" information for homeopathy is inherently
flawed since it is based on an underlying false hypothesis, i.e.
homeopathy has a basis in reality.

I have no respect for anyone that has not walked in my old shoes, and
it is quick to point out that my health care might have been
imagined....I know for a fact it wasn't, and my conventional doctors
know it wasn't either.

Since no one has done that, why are you concerned?


I just 'consider the source.'

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rpautrey2 wrote:
TOTZJ, your opinion isn't worth $0.02! When I cured my chronic
sinusitis my MCS went away that day!!!!! PA


Hey, when my nose is stuffy, i.e sinusitis, I drink more water and it goes
away.


A common and working solution, not known by many and not prescribed by many
doctors.
A symptom of dehydration is, in many, a stuffy nose.
Dehydration is not often identified (concidered) in todsy's society except
for runners.

On Oct 18, 7:41 am, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote:
On Oct 18, 3:03 am, "
wrote:

There is NO controversy, just denial from the paranoia gallery.
It exists as a somatization disorder. Its a psychiatric disorder,
not
an organic disease. If you disagree, please state the organic basis
of this somatization disorder.

On Oct 20, 9:57 am, Mark Probert wrote:
The One True Zhen Jue wrote:

On Oct 20, 3:17 am, rpautrey2 wrote:
TOTZJ, what are your credentials and/or experience with MCS? NONE!!!!!
PA

My credentials? Are you freakin' kidding? You don't already know
from my 'nym?
Geez, PA, I'm (dramatic pause) a Licensed Acupuncturist!
I've seen more people
who've claimed to have MCS than you've had years of education.

Since Naturopathy school is not really an *education* in the truest
sense, you have seen at least one person with MCS?

I've had dozens of patients who've claimed to have it and have known
dozens more outside of my practice who've claimed to have it.
I've seen first hand how these folks have become prisoners to a
delusion. It has ruined a lot of the quality of their lives and made
them bitter.

Between the fasting, cleanses, and attempts to eliminate "chemicals"
from their lives, they do very little living.







My experience with MCS is far beyond your comprehension. Otherwise,
you'd be in total agreement with me.

On Oct 17, 4:09 pm, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote:

There is NO controversy, just denial from the paranoia gallery.
MCS is a somatization disorder. It is not an organic illness. It is
not mediated by chemicals, but the BELIEF that chemicals are present.
These are facts. These facts are borne out through replicated,
controlled studies.
Lying to people and enabling a victim mindset are inexcusible. They
do nothing to help and everything to hurt people whose somatization
takes this form.
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