Is it safer to just have the flu?

"FDA staff urges warning for flu drug Reuters labels

"http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071123/us_nm/fda_fludrugs_dc_2

Fri Nov 23, 10:59 AM ET



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Food and Drug Administration staff are
recommending new warnings about psychiatric events observed in
patients on Roche Holding AG's Tamiflu and GlaxoSmithKline Plc's
Relenza, according to documents posted on Friday.

An FDA advisory panel will discuss the recommendations for these
influenza drugs at a meeting on the drugs' safety next week. The FDA
held a similar meeting two years ago on Tamiflu, after reports of
deaths of children in Japan linked to abnormal psychiatric
behavior......

..........In documents prepared for the meeting next week and posted on
the FDA Web site, FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
in a fatal outcome."

The FDA staff also reviewed Relenza, a drug in the same class as
Tamiflu, recommending its label be changed to note "reports of
hallucinations, delirium and abnormal behavior" observed in some
patients taking the drug'

Thanks Vince

On Nov 24, 9:06 am, bigvince wrote:
"FDA staff urges warning for flu drug Reuters labels


No, its not safer to have the flu. Flu has killed hundreds of millions
of people worldwide.

Flu vaccinations MAY cause a small amount of soreness at the injection
site and mild cold symptoms.

Of course, this is common knowledge, something Vince has alienated
himself from.

bigvince wrote:
"FDA staff urges warning for flu drug Reuters labels

"http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071123/us_nm/fda_fludrugs_dc_2

Fri Nov 23, 10:59 AM ET



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Food and Drug Administration staff are
recommending new warnings about psychiatric events observed in
patients on Roche Holding AG's Tamiflu and GlaxoSmithKline Plc's
Relenza, according to documents posted on Friday.

An FDA advisory panel will discuss the recommendations for these
influenza drugs at a meeting on the drugs' safety next week. The FDA
held a similar meeting two years ago on Tamiflu, after reports of
deaths of children in Japan linked to abnormal psychiatric
behavior......

.........In documents prepared for the meeting next week and posted on
the FDA Web site, FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
in a fatal outcome."

The FDA staff also reviewed Relenza, a drug in the same class as
Tamiflu, recommending its label be changed to note "reports of
hallucinations, delirium and abnormal behavior" observed in some
patients taking the drug'

Thanks Vince

Have any of these abnormal behaviors resulted in deaths? We already know
that the flu results in deaths every year.

Jeff

On Nov 24, 9:15 am, Jeff wrote:
bigvince wrote:
"FDA staff urges warning for flu drug Reuters labels

"http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071123/us_nm/fda_fludrugs_dc_2

Fri Nov 23, 10:59 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Food and Drug Administration staff are
recommending new warnings about psychiatric events observed in
patients on Roche Holding AG's Tamiflu and GlaxoSmithKline Plc's
Relenza, according to documents posted on Friday.

An FDA advisory panel will discuss the recommendations for these
influenza drugs at a meeting on the drugs' safety next week. The FDA
held a similar meeting two years ago on Tamiflu, after reports of
deaths of children in Japan linked to abnormal psychiatric
behavior......

.........In documents prepared for the meeting next week and posted on
the FDA Web site, FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
in a fatal outcome."

The FDA staff also reviewed Relenza, a drug in the same class as
Tamiflu, recommending its label be changed to note "reports of
hallucinations, delirium and abnormal behavior" observed in some
patients taking the drug'

Thanks Vince

Have any of these abnormal behaviors resulted in deaths? We already know
that the flu results in deaths every year.




Sure Jeff let me eliminate some of the words that apparently confused
you from the original story.

" FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
in a fatal outcome.""

Jeff do you see that fatal outcome = death. I know in the sales
department these unpleasant facts must be ignorned. The answer is yes.

bigvince wrote:
On Nov 24, 9:15 am, Jeff wrote:
bigvince wrote:
"FDA staff urges warning for flu drug Reuters labels
"http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071123/us_nm/fda_fludrugs_dc_2
Fri Nov 23, 10:59 AM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Food and Drug Administration staff are
recommending new warnings about psychiatric events observed in
patients on Roche Holding AG's Tamiflu and GlaxoSmithKline Plc's
Relenza, according to documents posted on Friday.
An FDA advisory panel will discuss the recommendations for these
influenza drugs at a meeting on the drugs' safety next week. The FDA
held a similar meeting two years ago on Tamiflu, after reports of
deaths of children in Japan linked to abnormal psychiatric
behavior......
.........In documents prepared for the meeting next week and posted on
the FDA Web site, FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
in a fatal outcome."
The FDA staff also reviewed Relenza, a drug in the same class as
Tamiflu, recommending its label be changed to note "reports of
hallucinations, delirium and abnormal behavior" observed in some
patients taking the drug'
Thanks Vince
Have any of these abnormal behaviors resulted in deaths? We already know
that the flu results in deaths every year.



Sure Jeff let me eliminate some of the words that apparently confused
you from the original story.

" FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
in a fatal outcome.""

sorry, I missed that. however, with proper monitoring of patients on the
drug, these types deaths will be rare, at most. In addition, the death
rates of people with influenza who are on the drug are significantly
lower than the death rates of people who have the flu and don't take the
drug. So the drugs save lives.

The warning on the package clearly says that the contribution of the
drug to the deaths is uncertain: "Neuropsychiatric Events. There have
been postmarketing reports (mostly from Japan) of self-injury and
delirium with the use of TAMIFLU in patients with influenza. The reports
were primarily among pediatric patients. The relative contribution of
the drug to these events is not known. Patients with influenza should be
closely monitored for signs of abnormal behavior throughout the
treatment period."

Jeff do you see that fatal outcome = death. I know in the sales
department these unpleasant facts must be ignorned.

I have never been in the sales department.

The answer is yes.

And the answer is that the drug still saves lives, and the deaths
reported may or may not be related to the drug.

Jeff

On Nov 24, 1:13 pm, Jeff wrote:
" FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
in a fatal outcome.""

sorry, I missed that. however, with proper monitoring of patients on the
drug, these types deaths will be rare, at most. In addition, the death
rates of people with influenza who are on the drug are significantly
lower than the death rates of people who have the flu and don't take the
drug. So the drugs save lives.

Right. And if you have $100,000 Jeff will sell you a $50,000 home for
$100,000.

Show us the valid evidence where people who have the flu and take
drugs have lower death rates than those who do not take drugs but
conduct the healing process properly.

Remember, the flu is a healing effort on the part of a vital body that
is internally polluted. The flu symptoms are the outward
manifestation of the internal house cleaning going on. The vital body
is acting to provide better health and a longer life. If you mess
with the system, you can only add to the body's burden, and kill many,
if not most, of those who are suffering.

You cannot poison the sick into getting well. You can, however,
poison people by the millions, kill hundreds of thousands of them, and
by the power of your license to kill ( MD=murdering doctor ) claim
that you are benefiting the sick and the dead while pocketing Billions
of dollars.

Isn't modern medicine wonderful?

DrCee
Not a medical moron
Not a pharma shill
Not a member of the medical mafia
Not a member of the church of modern medicine

"Jeff" Not too bright.

Is it safer to just have the flu?
Safer than polluting one's body further with toxic "medicines" and
allegedly-crippled viruses? Probably, in the long run, due to the
cumulative toxicity of these failed approaches.

But, safer yet, and much more advantageous in many domains, would be
to eliminate the CAUSE of such "colds/flus", the consumption of animal
protein and animal fat, also the cause of currently-popular "degenerative
diseases". See:
TCCampbell; The China Study
http://tinyurl.com/2v689m
"Colds/flus" are nothing but natural cleansing reactions that are
periodically invoked to excrete excessive, undigested proteins and
starches consumed by eating the local tribal diet.
http://ecologos.org/cleansing.htm
I used to have multiple "colds/flus" yearly for almost 3 decades
while I was eating the SAD. I stopped eating "meat" and junk foods in
1969, and stopped all dairy is 1971, and after some intense cleansing,
I have not had any "colds/flus" for the ensuing 38 years. NONE!
Let's see any 'medical system' do that.
There are 10's of thousands of raw fooders globally who have had
exactly the same experience and success.
In order to prevent ANY "disease", it is necessary, only, to remove
the CAUSE and the logical result, the "disease", will be eliminate
forever.
"Germs" do not cause "disease" any more than flies CAUSE garbage;
they are epiphenomena.
Eating toxic pharmaceuticals can CURE NOthing, just suppress the
symptoms temporarily. Less-toxic "herbs" are just as useless.

Laurie

--
Scientifically-credible info on human diet:
http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html
news:alt.food.vegan.science

On Nov 24, 1:13 pm, Jeff wrote:

Have any of these abnormal behaviors resulted in deaths? We already know
that the flu results in deaths every year.

Sure Jeff let me eliminate some of the words that apparently confused
you from the original story.

" FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
in a fatal outcome.""

sorry, I missed that. however, with proper monitoring of patients on the
drug, these types deaths will be rare, at most. In addition, the death
rates of people with influenza who are on the drug are significantly
lower than the death rates of people who have the flu and don't take the
drug. So the drugs save lives.

The warning on the package clearly says that the contribution of the
drug to the deaths is uncertain: "Neuropsychiatric Events. There have
been postmarketing reports (mostly from Japan) of self-injury and
delirium with the use of TAMIFLU in patients with influenza. The reports
were primarily among pediatric patients. The relative contribution of
the drug to these events is not known. Patients with influenza should be
closely monitored for signs of abnormal behavior throughout the
treatment period."

Jeff do you see that fatal outcome = death. I know in the sales
department these unpleasant facts must be ignorned.

I have never been in the sales department.

The answer is yes.

And the answer is that the drug still saves lives, and the deaths
reported may or may not be related to the drug.


Jeff ;other than the sales presentation that you evidently guote to
assert that these drugs save lives can you actually cite a randomised
clinical study that shows that . Or did you just review the sales reps
material. Please quote the study that shows that lives are saved by
tamiflu. More sales spin based on zero data.

Thanks Vince

In article ,
wrote:
On Nov 24, 1:13 pm, Jeff wrote:
" FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
in a fatal outcome.""

sorry, I missed that. however, with proper monitoring of patients on the
drug, these types deaths will be rare, at most. In addition, the death
rates of people with influenza who are on the drug are significantly
lower than the death rates of people who have the flu and don't take the
drug. So the drugs save lives.

Right. And if you have $100,000 Jeff will sell you a $50,000 home for
$100,000.

Show us the valid evidence where people who have the flu and take
drugs have lower death rates than those who do not take drugs but
conduct the healing process properly.

Of course, Cee stacks the deck here -- anyone who dies of the flu
under *his* regimen will be blamed for not "conducting the healing
process properly." It'll turn out they didn't touch third base or
something.

Remember, the flu is a healing effort on the part of a vital body that
is internally polluted. The flu symptoms are the outward
manifestation of the internal house cleaning going on.

Sure, Cee. Of course, you can't tell us what's being cleaned out, or
explain why it happens seasonally, or why it just *happens* to follow
the pattern a contagious disease would follow. Assuming you weren't
crazy and could admit the existence of a contagious disease.

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