Is it safer to just have the flu?

In article , Laurie wrote:
Is it safer to just have the flu?
Safer than polluting one's body further with toxic "medicines" and
allegedly-crippled viruses? Probably, in the long run, due to the
cumulative toxicity of these failed approaches.

But, safer yet, and much more advantageous in many domains, would be
to eliminate the CAUSE of such "colds/flus", the consumption of animal
protein and animal fat, also the cause of currently-popular "degenerative
diseases". See:
TCCampbell; The China Study
http://tinyurl.com/2v689m
"Colds/flus" are nothing but natural cleansing reactions that are
periodically invoked to excrete excessive, undigested proteins and
starches consumed by eating the local tribal diet.

OK, thanks. I used to think you were just an unusually enthusiastic
vegan, but I now see that you're a nutball in the same league as
"DrCee" etc. It was good of you to provide so much evidence. Much
obliged.

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bigvince wrote:
On Nov 24, 9:15 am, Jeff wrote:
bigvince wrote:
"FDA staff urges warning for flu drug Reuters labels
"http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071123/us_nm/fda_fludrugs_dc_2
Fri Nov 23, 10:59 AM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Food and Drug Administration staff are
recommending new warnings about psychiatric events observed in
patients on Roche Holding AG's Tamiflu and GlaxoSmithKline Plc's
Relenza, according to documents posted on Friday.
An FDA advisory panel will discuss the recommendations for these
influenza drugs at a meeting on the drugs' safety next week. The FDA
held a similar meeting two years ago on Tamiflu, after reports of
deaths of children in Japan linked to abnormal psychiatric
behavior......
.........In documents prepared for the meeting next week and posted on
the FDA Web site, FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
in a fatal outcome."
The FDA staff also reviewed Relenza, a drug in the same class as
Tamiflu, recommending its label be changed to note "reports of
hallucinations, delirium and abnormal behavior" observed in some
patients taking the drug'
Thanks Vince
Have any of these abnormal behaviors resulted in deaths? We already know
that the flu results in deaths every year.



Sure Jeff let me eliminate some of the words that apparently confused
you from the original story.

" FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
in a fatal outcome.""

Jeff do you see that fatal outcome = death. I know in the sales
department these unpleasant facts must be ignorned. The answer is yes.

Prevent the need for Tamiflu by vaccinating to prevent the flu.

"David Wright" Wrong again.

"David Wright" wrote in message
t...
In article , Laurie
wrote:
Is it safer to just have the flu?
Safer than polluting one's body further with toxic "medicines" and
allegedly-crippled viruses? Probably, in the long run, due to the
cumulative toxicity of these failed approaches.

But, safer yet, and much more advantageous in many domains, would be
to eliminate the CAUSE of such "colds/flus", the consumption of animal
protein and animal fat, also the cause of currently-popular "degenerative
diseases". See:
TCCampbell; The China Study
http://tinyurl.com/2v689m
"Colds/flus" are nothing but natural cleansing reactions that are
periodically invoked to excrete excessive, undigested proteins and
starches consumed by eating the local tribal diet.

OK, thanks. I used to think you were just an unusually enthusiastic
vegan, but I now see that you're a nutball in the same league as
"DrCee" etc. It was good of you to provide so much evidence. Much
obliged.

David Wrong, blathers about things he has no experince with.

Laurie wrote:
Is it safer to just have the flu?
Safer than polluting one's body further with toxic "medicines" and
allegedly-crippled viruses? Probably, in the long run, due to the
cumulative toxicity of these failed approaches.

Except that the flu vaccine saves thousands of lives every year.

But, safer yet, and much more advantageous in many domains, would be
to eliminate the CAUSE of such "colds/flus", the consumption of animal
protein and animal fat, also the cause of currently-popular "degenerative
diseases".

Can you please provide good scientific evidence that vegetarians have
fewer problems from colds and influenza (two very different diseases)?
Can you please provide an evidence-backed rational for this?

Jeff

bigvince wrote:
On Nov 24, 1:13 pm, Jeff wrote:
Have any of these abnormal behaviors resulted in deaths? We already know
that the flu results in deaths every year.
Sure Jeff let me eliminate some of the words that apparently confused
you from the original story.
" FDA staff recommend that Tamiflu's label be changed
to note "some cases in Japanese adult and pediatric patients resulted
in a fatal outcome.""
sorry, I missed that. however, with proper monitoring of patients on the
drug, these types deaths will be rare, at most. In addition, the death
rates of people with influenza who are on the drug are significantly
lower than the death rates of people who have the flu and don't take the
drug. So the drugs save lives.

The warning on the package clearly says that the contribution of the
drug to the deaths is uncertain: "Neuropsychiatric Events. There have
been postmarketing reports (mostly from Japan) of self-injury and
delirium with the use of TAMIFLU in patients with influenza. The reports
were primarily among pediatric patients. The relative contribution of
the drug to these events is not known. Patients with influenza should be
closely monitored for signs of abnormal behavior throughout the
treatment period."

Jeff do you see that fatal outcome = death. I know in the sales
department these unpleasant facts must be ignorned.
I have never been in the sales department.

The answer is yes.
And the answer is that the drug still saves lives, and the deaths
reported may or may not be related to the drug.


Jeff ;other than the sales presentation that you evidently guote to
assert that these drugs save lives can you actually cite a randomised
clinical study that shows that . Or did you just review the sales reps
material. Please quote the study that shows that lives are saved by
tamiflu. More sales spin based on zero data.

What sales presentation? I find the sales tactics of the drug companies
disgusting. There was an excellent article in today's New York Times
Magazine that shows just how sleezy and misleading they are.

To learn more about what is known about antivirals and to learn more
about the vaccine, I recommend you get it directly from the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/rr/rr5606.pdf.

Thanks Vince

Have a lovely day.

Jeff

t wrote:
"David Wright" Wrong again.

Why don't you tell us why David is wrong and provide good references to
support your claim?

Jeff

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Laurie wrote:
Is it safer to just have the flu?
Safer than polluting one's body further with toxic "medicines" and
allegedly-crippled viruses? Probably, in the long run, due to the
cumulative toxicity of these failed approaches.

Except that the flu vaccine saves thousands of lives every year.

But, safer yet, and much more advantageous in many domains, would be
to eliminate the CAUSE of such "colds/flus", the consumption of animal
protein and animal fat, also the cause of currently-popular "degenerative
diseases".

Can you please provide good scientific evidence that vegetarians have
fewer problems from colds and influenza (two very different diseases)? Can
you please provide an evidence-backed rational for this?

I think that one must consider the "type" of vegitarians. Do you mean the "I
eat no meat" type, or the "I understand and apply good nutritional balance
without meat" type? The former would be sickly, the latter might well be far
healthier.

"Jeff" wrote in message
news:7Vg2j.14486$XT.9307@trnddc01...
t wrote:
"David Wright" Wrong again.

Why don't you tell us why David is wrong and provide good references to
support your claim?

I doubt you can understand.

t wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
news:XLg2j.14484$XT.1358@trnddc01...
Laurie wrote:
Is it safer to just have the flu?
Safer than polluting one's body further with toxic "medicines" and
allegedly-crippled viruses? Probably, in the long run, due to the
cumulative toxicity of these failed approaches.
Except that the flu vaccine saves thousands of lives every year.

But, safer yet, and much more advantageous in many domains, would be
to eliminate the CAUSE of such "colds/flus", the consumption of animal
protein and animal fat, also the cause of currently-popular "degenerative
diseases".
Can you please provide good scientific evidence that vegetarians have
fewer problems from colds and influenza (two very different diseases)? Can
you please provide an evidence-backed rational for this?

I think that one must consider the "type" of vegitarians. Do you mean the "I
eat no meat" type, or the "I understand and apply good nutritional balance
without meat" type? The former would be sickly, the latter might well be far
healthier.

Obviously, the type who eat a balanced diet.