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Old January 21st 04, 07:15 AM
El Ramon Re
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In the Health section of Reuters, an article dated 20 Jan says that more and
more parents are questioning the wisdom of vaccination, and refusing to
blindly follow medical advice.

The article says: Marianna Toce Gerstein wondered whether as a pregnant
woman she should get a flu shot. Although influenza vaccines are recommended
for pregnant women, she was worried because she knows the vaccine contains a
mercury-based preservative called thimerosal. She fears it could injure her
unborn child. "Has anyone else struggled with this?" she asked.

Don't worry, Marianna - the whole world is waking up to the dangers of the
vaccinations the drug companies have been foisting on us all.

The article is on:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=4170473

The article tries to minimise Marianna's concerns, of course. The Chairman of
Reuters, Christopher Hogg, was given a very lucrative job as the chairman of
the drug company that makes the vaccinations, Glaxo Wellcome-SmithKline, in
order to gain control of the media and give their drugs and vaccinations a
positive spin.

(For those who need proof of this see the Reuters and Glaxo websites.
Christopher Hogg is listed as non-executive chairman on both sites:

Reuters:
http://about.reuters.com/csr/corpora...topherhogg.asp
Glaxo:
http://www.gsk.com/about/boardofdirectors.htm


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Old January 21st 04, 10:59 AM
R. Steve Walz
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El Ramon Re wrote:

In the Health section of Reuters, an article dated 20 Jan says that more and
more parents are questioning the wisdom of vaccination, and refusing to
blindly follow medical advice.

--------------------
That's one uninformed author's prejudice.

Go research the history of public health and what has been gained,
and how horrible it would be to go backward, THEN come talk to us.

You'll be amazed to find your great-grandparents expected to lose
1 of 4 children in childhood, all now prevented by immunizations!

The 1 in a million who might have related difficulty from it is
cheap at twice the price!
Steve
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Old January 21st 04, 12:52 PM
Jeff
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"El Ramon Re" wrote in message
. net.au...
In the Health section of Reuters, an article dated 20 Jan says that more

and
more parents are questioning the wisdom of vaccination, and refusing to
blindly follow medical advice.


(...)

Vaccination is one of the wonders of modern science. Vaccination eliminated
smallpox from the world. And it has almost eliminated polio from the world.
It had almost completely eliminated measles from the US. While eliminating
measles may not seem like a big deal (many of us grownups over 40 or so have
had it), measles is a potentially deadly disease that kills about 1 in 2000
people who get it. And vaccination almost totally eliminated rubella from
the US. What's the big deal? With rubella, you're sick for about 3 days.
But, rubella is a major cause of birth defects and can kill very young
babies or babies before birth.

Vaccinations are not without risk. But the risks are very small. Especially
when you compare the vaccinations to the risk of the illnesses they prevent.

The bottom line is that people are much better off with vaccinations. The
risks are blown out-of-proportion by the antivaccination people. And the
antivaccination people confuse coincidence with cause. Anytime an adverse
event occurs around the time of vaccination, they automatically assume it
was the vaccine, when, in fact, the vaccine had nothing to do with it.

I am extremely grateful to vaccines. They save thousands of lives. In
countries where vaccines are not provided or their is an interruption in
vaccination, there are deadly outbreaks of disease. I just wish that the
people would be able to get accurate information about vaccines.

Jeff


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Old January 21st 04, 01:20 PM
mdd
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"Jeff" wrote in message
...

"El Ramon Re" wrote in message
. net.au...
In the Health section of Reuters, an article dated 20 Jan says that more

and
more parents are questioning the wisdom of vaccination, and refusing to
blindly follow medical advice.


(...)

Vaccination is one of the wonders of modern science. Vaccination

eliminated
smallpox from the world. And it has almost eliminated polio from the

world.
It had almost completely eliminated measles from the US. While eliminating
measles may not seem like a big deal (many of us grownups over 40 or so

have
had it), measles is a potentially deadly disease that kills about 1 in

2000
people who get it. And vaccination almost totally eliminated rubella from
the US. What's the big deal? With rubella, you're sick for about 3 days.
But, rubella is a major cause of birth defects and can kill very young
babies or babies before birth.

Vaccinations are not without risk. But the risks are very small.

Especially
when you compare the vaccinations to the risk of the illnesses they

prevent.

The bottom line is that people are much better off with vaccinations. The
risks are blown out-of-proportion by the antivaccination people. And the
antivaccination people confuse coincidence with cause. Anytime an adverse
event occurs around the time of vaccination, they automatically assume it
was the vaccine, when, in fact, the vaccine had nothing to do with it.

I am extremely grateful to vaccines. They save thousands of lives. In
countries where vaccines are not provided or their is an interruption in
vaccination, there are deadly outbreaks of disease. I just wish that the
people would be able to get accurate information about vaccines.

Jeff

Then YOU get all the vaccinations that you want. Give them to YOUR

children. Leave me and MY children out of it.


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Old January 21st 04, 03:30 PM
David Wright
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Default Marianna's vaccination concerns

In article , mdd wrote:

Then YOU get all the vaccinations that you want. Give them to YOUR
children. Leave me and MY children out of it.


Oh, you're another one of those parasites who wants to get the
benefits of vaccination by having everyone else be vaccinated.
But it's too good for your precious kids.

It's a pity that, if they pick up some disease that could have
been prevented by vaccination, you won't be able to suffer in
their stead.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)






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Old January 21st 04, 04:02 PM
Anth
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"Jeff" wrote in message
...

"El Ramon Re" wrote in message
. net.au...
In the Health section of Reuters, an article dated 20 Jan says that more

and
more parents are questioning the wisdom of vaccination, and refusing to
blindly follow medical advice.


(...)

Vaccination is one of the wonders of modern science. Vaccination

eliminated
smallpox from the world. And it has almost eliminated polio from the

world.

(That statement is based on an assumption)

It had almost completely eliminated measles from the US. While eliminating
measles may not seem like a big deal (many of us grownups over 40 or so

have
had it), measles is a potentially deadly disease that kills about 1 in

2000
people who get it. And vaccination almost totally eliminated rubella from
the US. What's the big deal? With rubella, you're sick for about 3 days.
But, rubella is a major cause of birth defects and can kill very young
babies or babies before birth.

Vaccinations are not without risk. But the risks are very small.

Especially
when you compare the vaccinations to the risk of the illnesses they

prevent.

The bottom line is that people are much better off with vaccinations. The
risks are blown out-of-proportion by the antivaccination people. And the
antivaccination people confuse coincidence with cause. Anytime an adverse
event occurs around the time of vaccination, they automatically assume it
was the vaccine, when, in fact, the vaccine had nothing to do with it.


The bottom line is that the long term effects of vaccinations are unknown.

I am extremely grateful to vaccines. They save thousands of lives. In
countries where vaccines are not provided or their is an interruption in
vaccination, there are deadly outbreaks of disease. I just wish that the
people would be able to get accurate information about vaccines.

Jeff


Anth


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Old January 21st 04, 04:47 PM
JG
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"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
...

[...]

The 1 in a million who might have related difficulty from it is
cheap at twice the price!


Cheap to whom? Certainly not the families of kids killed/permanently
disabled by vaccinations, let alone those kids themselves, of course.
Nothing--no amount of money--can compensate them for their loss. To
state that such a sacrifice ("for the good of society") is "cheap" is
unbelievably callous. Tell you what: Why don't you go to a
famine-ravaged region and conduct a lottery, one in which the "winners"
getting the privilege(!) of ingesting a lethal dose of, say, cyanide.
Don't forget to explain to the families of those chosen that their
sacrifice is being made so that the community, as a whole, will be
better off.


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Old January 21st 04, 05:38 PM
mdd
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"David Wright" wrote in message
news
In article , mdd wrote:

Then YOU get all the vaccinations that you want. Give them to YOUR
children. Leave me and MY children out of it.


Oh, you're another one of those parasites who wants to get the
benefits of vaccination by having everyone else be vaccinated.
But it's too good for your precious kids.

It's a pity that, if they pick up some disease that could have
been prevented by vaccination, you won't be able to suffer in
their stead.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)






No, dumbo, I would prefer that no child was vaccinated. Sorry if you do not
agree, but who cares what you agree to anyway?


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Old January 21st 04, 06:41 PM
Mark ProbertJanuary 21, 2004
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"mdd" wrote in message
...

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

"El Ramon Re" wrote in message
. net.au...
In the Health section of Reuters, an article dated 20 Jan says that

more
and
more parents are questioning the wisdom of vaccination, and refusing

to
blindly follow medical advice.


(...)

Vaccination is one of the wonders of modern science. Vaccination

eliminated
smallpox from the world. And it has almost eliminated polio from the

world.
It had almost completely eliminated measles from the US. While

eliminating
measles may not seem like a big deal (many of us grownups over 40 or so

have
had it), measles is a potentially deadly disease that kills about 1 in

2000
people who get it. And vaccination almost totally eliminated rubella

from
the US. What's the big deal? With rubella, you're sick for about 3 days.
But, rubella is a major cause of birth defects and can kill very young
babies or babies before birth.

Vaccinations are not without risk. But the risks are very small.

Especially
when you compare the vaccinations to the risk of the illnesses they

prevent.

The bottom line is that people are much better off with vaccinations.

The
risks are blown out-of-proportion by the antivaccination people. And the
antivaccination people confuse coincidence with cause. Anytime an

adverse
event occurs around the time of vaccination, they automatically assume

it
was the vaccine, when, in fact, the vaccine had nothing to do with it.

I am extremely grateful to vaccines. They save thousands of lives. In
countries where vaccines are not provided or their is an interruption in
vaccination, there are deadly outbreaks of disease. I just wish that the
people would be able to get accurate information about vaccines.

Jeff

Then YOU get all the vaccinations that you want. Give them to YOUR

children. Leave me and MY children out of it.


No free rides.



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Old January 21st 04, 06:42 PM
Mark ProbertJanuary 21, 2004
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"mdd" wrote in message
...

"David Wright" wrote in message
news
In article , mdd

wrote:

Then YOU get all the vaccinations that you want. Give them to YOUR
children. Leave me and MY children out of it.


Oh, you're another one of those parasites who wants to get the
benefits of vaccination by having everyone else be vaccinated.
But it's too good for your precious kids.

It's a pity that, if they pick up some disease that could have
been prevented by vaccination, you won't be able to suffer in
their stead.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)






No, dumbo, I would prefer that no child was vaccinated. Sorry if you do

not
agree, but who cares what you agree to anyway?



This is the critter who expects everyone s/h/it disagrees with to post their
personal information....



 




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