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  #11  
Old November 13th 03, 01:20 AM
Gini52
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In article , Moon Shyne says...


"Dave" [email protected] wrote in message
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"Jon" wrote in message
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So if you receive support you can never buy a lottery ticket or take a
drink?


Child support should not be used for anything other than for supporting the
child.


So I use the child support to support the children, and buy my lottery ticket
with my own money.

Now........... how can you tell which dollar was which? They all look the same.

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The dollar spent on the child will come with a receipt.
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  #12  
Old November 13th 03, 01:40 AM
The DaveŠ
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Gini52 wrote:
Supporting the mother is supporting the child. I know what you mean

but there's no sane or reasonable way to enforce this.
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Of course there is. Our government requires us to maintain receipts
for all tax deductions for, what--7 years? We call it insane and
unreasonable but the government has no problem requiring us to do it.
There is no reason a CP should not be subject to audit if there is
reason to believe CS is being misused. All she needs to do is keep a
shoebox for receipts should there be a question. This would not apply
however, if the amount ordered is in line with the actual reasonable
costs of a child. In that case, there is little room for
"discretionary spending." ==
==


Trying to be reasonable here, but if we did do this (and I think we
should), I would not expect 100% of CS to be literally directly applied
to the child. Something along the lines of 75% to 80% would be fine
with me. Factor in (real) costs in housing, etc., also.
  #13  
Old November 13th 03, 01:57 AM
Gini52
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In article , The DaveŠ says...

Gini52 wrote:
Supporting the mother is supporting the child. I know what you mean

but there's no sane or reasonable way to enforce this.
=====
Of course there is. Our government requires us to maintain receipts
for all tax deductions for, what--7 years? We call it insane and
unreasonable but the government has no problem requiring us to do it.
There is no reason a CP should not be subject to audit if there is
reason to believe CS is being misused. All she needs to do is keep a
shoebox for receipts should there be a question. This would not apply
however, if the amount ordered is in line with the actual reasonable
costs of a child. In that case, there is little room for
"discretionary spending." ==
==


Trying to be reasonable here, but if we did do this (and I think we
should), I would not expect 100% of CS to be literally directly applied
to the child. Something along the lines of 75% to 80% would be fine
with me. Factor in (real) costs in housing, etc., also.

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I agree. Only the "lifestyle" support (the amount of money ordered that exceeds
the ordinary costs of a child) should be accounted for. This is not difficult.
In fact, it is quite simple. It is only "unreasonable and outrageous" for those
who prefer not to disclose how they spend the money. If the state is going to
mandate a lifestyle, it is only logical that the state mandate the lifestyle be
maintained.
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  #14  
Old November 13th 03, 02:19 AM
Cameron Stevens
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"Gini52" wrote in message
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In article , Cameron Stevens
says...
Supporting the mother *is* supporting the child. I know what you mean but
there's no sane or reasonable way to enforce this.

=====
Of course there is. Our government requires us to maintain receipts for

all tax
deductions for, what--7 years? We call it insane and unreasonable but the
government has no problem requiring us to do it. There is no reason a CP

should
not be subject to audit if there is reason to believe CS is being misused.

All
she needs to do is keep a shoebox for receipts should there be a question.

This
would not apply however, if the amount ordered is in line with the actual
reasonable costs of a child. In that case, there is little room for
"discretionary spending."
==


I agree with the principle and I know this will be a challenge for those
people who are especially challenged to budget or manage their money.

Cameron


  #15  
Old November 13th 03, 02:55 AM
Gini52
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In article , Cameron Stevens
says...


"Gini52" wrote in message
...
In article , Cameron Stevens
says...
Supporting the mother *is* supporting the child. I know what you mean but
there's no sane or reasonable way to enforce this.

=====
Of course there is. Our government requires us to maintain receipts for

all tax
deductions for, what--7 years? We call it insane and unreasonable but the
government has no problem requiring us to do it. There is no reason a CP

should
not be subject to audit if there is reason to believe CS is being misused.

All
she needs to do is keep a shoebox for receipts should there be a question.

This
would not apply however, if the amount ordered is in line with the actual
reasonable costs of a child. In that case, there is little room for
"discretionary spending."
==


I agree with the principle and I know this will be a challenge for those
people who are especially challenged to budget or manage their money.

===
Might I suggest that it isn't "their money?" Therein lies the contention with
the system. The money for which "we" are requesting an accounting is money that
one parent gave to the other parent exclusively for the financial needs of the
child. At no time does this money belong to the CP (in theory :-). Curious isn't
it that monies seen by the state (& the CP) as the CPs' is all theoretical--it
is only the money of the NCP that is a legal mandate.
===
===

Cameron



  #16  
Old November 13th 03, 03:19 AM
Tiffany
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Gini52 wrote in message
...
In article , Moon Shyne

says...


"Dave" [email protected] wrote in message
...

"Jon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]_s01...
So if you receive support you can never buy a lottery ticket or take

a
drink?


Child support should not be used for anything other than for supporting

the
child.


So I use the child support to support the children, and buy my lottery

ticket
with my own money.

Now........... how can you tell which dollar was which? They all look

the same.
=====
The dollar spent on the child will come with a receipt.
=====
=====


But then comes into play that you can show a receipt for a food bill but
can't say for sure who eats the food. You can buy clothes, show a receipt
but not now for sure who the clothes were bought for. I know for
infants/toddlers it may state on the receipt that the clothes were of that
general size but what about when your kid gets older? My daughter wears
about the same size clothes as me. There is a way around everything.... just
as business people know how to get around the IRS and claim stuff that
shouldn't be claimed.

T


  #17  
Old November 13th 03, 03:35 AM
Moon Shyne
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"Gini52" wrote in message
...
In article , Moon Shyne says...


"Dave" [email protected] wrote in message
...

"Jon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]_s01...
So if you receive support you can never buy a lottery ticket or take a
drink?


Child support should not be used for anything other than for supporting the
child.


So I use the child support to support the children, and buy my lottery ticket
with my own money.

Now........... how can you tell which dollar was which? They all look the

same.
=====
The dollar spent on the child will come with a receipt.


So I can't buy anything for my children at a street fair, or some other place
where they don't issue receipts? Can't buy ice cream from the ice cream truck
because they don't issue receipts?

=====
=====



  #18  
Old November 13th 03, 03:45 AM
Tiffany
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Moon Shyne wrote in message
...

"Gini52" wrote in message
...
In article , Moon Shyne

says...


"Dave" [email protected] wrote in message
...

"Jon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]_s01...
So if you receive support you can never buy a lottery ticket or

take a
drink?


Child support should not be used for anything other than for

supporting the
child.

So I use the child support to support the children, and buy my lottery

ticket
with my own money.

Now........... how can you tell which dollar was which? They all look

the
same.
=====
The dollar spent on the child will come with a receipt.


So I can't buy anything for my children at a street fair, or some other

place
where they don't issue receipts? Can't buy ice cream from the ice cream

truck
because they don't issue receipts?

=====
=====




You think those things are necessities that your x should be paying for?

T


  #19  
Old November 13th 03, 03:45 AM
Gini52
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Default "Child Support" money?

In article , Moon Shyne says...


"Gini52" wrote in message
...
In article , Moon Shyne says...


"Dave" [email protected] wrote in message
...

"Jon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]_s01...
So if you receive support you can never buy a lottery ticket or take a
drink?


Child support should not be used for anything other than for supporting the
child.

So I use the child support to support the children, and buy my lottery ticket
with my own money.

Now........... how can you tell which dollar was which? They all look the

same.
=====
The dollar spent on the child will come with a receipt.


So I can't buy anything for my children at a street fair, or some other place
where they don't issue receipts? Can't buy ice cream from the ice cream truck
because they don't issue receipts?

====
Yep. It comes from your percent share. (My proposal is, however, that only the
amount over reasonable actual expenses should be subject to accounting.)
====
====




  #20  
Old November 13th 03, 03:53 AM
The DaveŠ
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Tiffany wrote:
But then comes into play that you can show a receipt for a food bill
but can't say for sure who eats the food. You can buy clothes, show a
receipt but not now for sure who the clothes were bought for. I know
for infants/toddlers it may state on the receipt that the clothes
were of that general size but what about when your kid gets older? My
daughter wears about the same size clothes as me. There is a way
around everything.... just as business people know how to get around
the IRS and claim stuff that shouldn't be claimed.

T


Yes, there is a way around everything, but it would still help. We're
changing our money to help thwart counterfieters, we don't just throw
our hands up and give in. Same thing here.
 




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