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Children 'should sleep with parents until five'
"Jen" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 00:28:53 +0100, Sarah Vaughan wrote: wrote: In misc.kids.breastfeeding Babypar wrote: : Sleeping with your young baby is a contributory factor in SID : http://www.baby-parenting.com/baby/cot_death.html This is absolutely unproven bull****, But I would definitely say that the jury is not yet in on this one. Unproven, yes - but not bull****. This has just been on the news today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5001694.stm The SIDS foundation supports this research. Jeni but those aren't SIDS deaths, they are smothering deaths, and he ESTIMATES the number of deaths. He's seen 12 cases in 2 years and has then guestimated a uk wide figure. It's not exactly scientific. Many many things can kill us, we all have to weigh up the risks and decide what is reasonable to us and what isn't. If we reacted to everything that could possibly or remotely kill us, then we'd never leave the house. |
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Children 'should sleep with parents until five'
Happy Hunter wrote:
"Jen" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 00:28:53 +0100, Sarah Vaughan wrote: wrote: In misc.kids.breastfeeding Babypar wrote: : Sleeping with your young baby is a contributory factor in SID : http://www.baby-parenting.com/baby/cot_death.html This is absolutely unproven bull****, But I would definitely say that the jury is not yet in on this one. Unproven, yes - but not bull****. This has just been on the news today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5001694.stm The SIDS foundation supports this research. Jeni but those aren't SIDS deaths, they are smothering deaths, and he ESTIMATES the number of deaths. He's seen 12 cases in 2 years and has then guestimated a uk wide figure. It's not exactly scientific. Many many things can kill us, we all have to weigh up the risks and decide what is reasonable to us and what isn't. If we reacted to everything that could possibly or remotely kill us, then we'd never leave the house. Those are cases where safe co-sleeping was not practiced. In countries where co-sleeping is the norm, there is no such thing as cot / crib death. Even Ferber has been saying oops he made a mistake about co-sleeping. It might not be right for some, but for others it is a perfectly natural way to raise a child. I can't understand why those who choose not to, get so upset with those who do. It can almost be like a form of paranoia. As if saying our choice was okay made them wrong. Jo |
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Children 'should sleep with parents until five'
"Jo" wrote in message ... Those are cases where safe co-sleeping was not practiced. In countries where co-sleeping is the norm, there is no such thing as cot / crib death. Not arguing or objecting or anything, but I'd be interested to see the research for that. Debbie |
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Children 'should sleep with parents until five'
Welches wrote:
"Jo" wrote in message ... Those are cases where safe co-sleeping was not practiced. In countries where co-sleeping is the norm, there is no such thing as cot / crib death. Not arguing or objecting or anything, but I'd be interested to see the research for that. Debbie Hi Debbie, There is a ton of information out there. http://www.asklenore.info/parenting/...osleeping.html You can even search medical sites. They will have the actual statistics. In the cases where their has been a problem, it is because they have followed unsafe practices such as heavy quilts, pillows, smoking, drugs, alcohol. etc... There are also studies that show children who slept with their parents safely, had regulated body temperatures and more even breathing because they have mimicked their parents. Even my pediatrician sleeps with her children, and back in NYC, my pedi who was from Russia slept with his kids as well. It was just the norm. Here is a document you might want to read. Keep in mind that SIDS is different than suffocation or strangulation which has occurred when parents who were not following safety rules. This would be no different than putting a baby in a crib with a pillow or quilt. Ronnie just got up from his nap, off for some play. Jo |
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Jo wrote: I can't understand why those who choose not to, get so upset with those who do. It can almost be like a form of paranoia. As if saying our choice was okay made them wrong. I can't understand those who *persistently* reply to posts about nursing or sleeping problems saying that co-sleeping will solve all their problems - as if saying they are causing those problems by not co-sleeping.Threre also a hint of perfect-baby-and-parent smugness in some of these posts that I personally find unnecessary. Personally I have nothing against co-sleeping. My sister did and and some of my friends do and I have no issue with it whatsoever. I just don't believe the idea (that has been told here as fact) that mums have a natural intuition not to roll over and smother her baby in bed. If there were concrete evidence that this were the case then it might be different, but until there is, it bothers me that some co-sleeping advocates insist anyone can 'learn' to do it - and therefore must be defunct as a mother if they do not wish to learn. It seems to me current research is at best confusing and incomplete, so for me the best response is to keep an open mind and read *all* the research, good or bad. Jeni |
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Children 'should sleep with parents until five'
"Jo" wrote in message ... Welches wrote: "Jo" wrote in message ... Those are cases where safe co-sleeping was not practiced. In countries where co-sleeping is the norm, there is no such thing as cot / crib death. Not arguing or objecting or anything, but I'd be interested to see the research for that. Debbie Hi Debbie, There is a ton of information out there. http://www.asklenore.info/parenting/...osleeping.html I've tried that and there isn't the research I'm looking for. It says that in Japan where co-sleeping in the norm, there is the lowest incidence of CIDS, not no SIDS at all. I'm prepared to believe that the incidence is lower. But I would wish to see research to back up your statement that there is NO cot death for co-sleepers.. I can't find anything quickly myself, but I assume you must have seen some, so I'd like to see the actual research. Thanks: Debbie |
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Children 'should sleep with parents until five'
Let's use a little common sense here. It doesn't matter whether deaths when
a child is in a parent's bed are due to smothering/suffocation or SIDS-the baby is still dead. You have to weigh the risk factors for you between the two. In my case, I didn't feel I could co-sleep safely, so I felt having the baby in a controlled crib was better than having her next to my uncontrolled (I am very capable of rolling on a cat while asleep and have fallen out of bed before), requiring having my head elevated in order to sleep at all body. -- Donna DeVore Metler Orff Music Specialist/Kindermusik Mother to Angel Brian Anthony 1/1/2002, 22 weeks, severe PE/HELLP And Allison Joy, 11/25/04 (35 weeks, PIH, Pre-term labor) |
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Children 'should sleep with parents until five'
Jo wrote: snip I don't disagree with anything you said here but this I do: When someone gives advice to try it, it is only to give the option. That is what these groups are here for. So people can try different things. You have the option to say, no thank you, that will not work for me. If this were the way it were always presented then fine, but if you want I can point you to various posts where it has been *insisted* that co-sleeping is the best way to solve nursing and sleep problems and that any mother can learn to do it. People have replied to the contrary but a few posts later the same missive is repeated ad nauseum. Jeni |
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Children 'should sleep with parents until five'
"Donna Metler" wrote in message . .. Let's use a little common sense here. It doesn't matter whether deaths when a child is in a parent's bed are due to smothering/suffocation or SIDS-the baby is still dead. Exactly. This from the NHS in the UK http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles...?articleId=814 Selected quote: It’s safest to sleep your baby in a cot in your bedroom for the first six months. The risk of cot death increases if you share a bed with your baby when you or other bed sharers: • are smokers (no matter where or when you smoke), • have been drinking alcohol, • take medication or drugs that make you drowsy, or • feel very tired. A recent study also identified that the risk of cot death to very young babies (under 8 weeks old) is doubled if they share their parents’ bed, even when the parents are non-smokers. Sleeping together on a sofa, armchair or settee is not recommended, because the baby could get trapped. |
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