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LJ wants to ban default breastfeeding pics
LiveJournal has requested that a user change her default icon to one
not depicting her breastfeeding baby, because it is "inappropriate". There's a lot of ongoing discussion on http://community.livejournal.com/boo...s/1737571.html Promom has a three-minute activist letter, to be sent to the company which owns LJ: http://www.promom.org/3min/3min_livejournal_may06.html -- C, mama to three year old nursling |
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LJ wants to ban default breastfeeding pics
wrote in message ups.com... LiveJournal has requested that a user change her default icon to one not depicting her breastfeeding baby, because it is "inappropriate". There's a lot of ongoing discussion on http://community.livejournal.com/boo...s/1737571.html Promom has a three-minute activist letter, to be sent to the company which owns LJ: http://www.promom.org/3min/3min_livejournal_may06.html -- C, mama to three year old nursling Hm... Didn't have the time (and didn't want to put in the effort at this point) to read through everything, but I did scan down... If a picture of an infant nursing is obscene, then I think that any images of an adult snacking on pizza, chowing down on a burger or enjoying a big glass of cold milk and a plate of cookies is obscene... IF the picture was meant to be disgusting, perverted, not appropriate for all ages, THEN that would be a different case (maybe if there was a picture of a woman with her breasts out just for the heck of it) that could very well be considered inappropriate. But breastfeeding??? Give me a break. The pictures aren't offensive. I see it as an infant and mother doing what an infant needs - nourishment and comfort. Is it really all that different from a picture of a parent bottle feeding their baby? Is it any different from a picture of YOU or I eating a big bowl of spaghetti??? Seems stupid. I see nothing at all wrong with a breastfeeding picture. I find it, actually, almost comforting to know that there are indeed others who have, are and will continue to breastfeed. Honestly, I felt more ashamed (for my own personal reasons) when I would pop out a bottle for DD than I did nursing her in public. I felt like all eyes were on me, and that people were judging me wondering why I wasn't breastfeeding, although I'm sure more people did stare when I nursed, as it does seem that a good majority of the population (over here, anyways) find breastfeeding - especially in public - to be morally wrong... |
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LJ wants to ban default breastfeeding pics
wrote in message ups.com... LiveJournal has requested that a user change her default icon to one not depicting her breastfeeding baby, because it is "inappropriate". There's a lot of ongoing discussion on http://community.livejournal.com/boo...s/1737571.html Promom has a three-minute activist letter, to be sent to the company which owns LJ: http://www.promom.org/3min/3min_livejournal_may06.html Thanks for letting us know. This has certainly lowered my opinion of Live Journal staff. I submitted the letter and added the following: "If this situation wasn't so sad, I would find the absurdity of it hilarious. Who, exactly, are these images inappropriate for viewing by? Children? My 22 month old views my breasts twice a day. Thankfully, she doesn't share your bizarre hang ups. It may have escaped you, but breasts exist primarily for feeding human young, and secondarily as a sensual body part. In much the same way, feet are designed for walking - but that doesn't stop the foot-fetishists. Are you going to ban photos of feet too?" -- Amy Mum to Carlos born sleeping 20/11/02, & Ana born screaming 30/06/04 http://www.freewebs.com/carlos2002/ http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/a/ana%5Fj%5F2004/ My blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/querer-hijo-querer-hija/ |
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"Mum of Two" wrote in message ... "If this situation wasn't so sad, I would find the absurdity of it hilarious. Who, exactly, are these images inappropriate for viewing by? Children? My 22 month old views my breasts twice a day. Thankfully, she doesn't share your bizarre hang ups. It may have escaped you, but breasts exist primarily for feeding human young, and secondarily as a sensual body part. In much the same way, feet are designed for walking - but that doesn't stop the foot-fetishists. Are you going to ban photos of feet too?" applauds Good job, Amy! JennP. |
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LJ wants to ban default breastfeeding pics
Good to see that a bunch of them switched to breastfeeding icons in protest
Could be just me, but I found none of those particularly tittilating... In Sydney, there are billboards showing a baby (probably around 6 months old) and a breast, and promoting breastfeeding. So far, I haven't heard of anyone complaining about it while lingerie ads get taken down for causing traffic jams. So (partially) clothed women are out, naked breasts are in! Woo Hoo! wrote in message ups.com... LiveJournal has requested that a user change her default icon to one not depicting her breastfeeding baby, because it is "inappropriate". There's a lot of ongoing discussion on http://community.livejournal.com/boo...s/1737571.html Promom has a three-minute activist letter, to be sent to the company which owns LJ: http://www.promom.org/3min/3min_livejournal_may06.html -- C, mama to three year old nursling |
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LJ wants to ban default breastfeeding pics
Mum of Two wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... LiveJournal has requested that a user change her default icon to one not depicting her breastfeeding baby, because it is "inappropriate". There's a lot of ongoing discussion on http://community.livejournal.com/boo...s/1737571.html Promom has a three-minute activist letter, to be sent to the company which owns LJ: http://www.promom.org/3min/3min_livejournal_may06.html Thanks for letting us know. This has certainly lowered my opinion of Live Journal staff. I submitted the letter and added the following: "If this situation wasn't so sad, I would find the absurdity of it hilarious. Who, exactly, are these images inappropriate for viewing by? Children? My 22 month old views my breasts twice a day. Thankfully, she doesn't share your bizarre hang ups. It may have escaped you, but breasts exist primarily for feeding human young, and secondarily as a sensual body part. In much the same way, feet are designed for walking - but that doesn't stop the foot-fetishists. Are you going to ban photos of feet too?" I wrote them as well. I got this back in response. (I think the woman who wrote it forgot what it means to be a woman) Jo Dear Joanna, Thank you for your feedback. Please allow me to explain, as the controversy surrounding this issue appears to stem from a misunderstanding. LiveJournal has always placed restrictions on default userpics, as the default userpic is visible in many public areas throughout the site, including the Directory, the Schools Directory, and the profile page. These restrictions are detailed in ttp://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=111. We feel it's important to strike a balance between the ideal of free expression and the rights of, for instance, a parent to prevent their child from seeing unsolicited material that the parent feels is non-age-appropriate or the right of an individual to be able to browse public LiveJournal spaces without being exposed to nudity or violence. There are not blanket restrictions on default userpics depicting the act of breastfeeding, and the restrictions have nothing to do with targetting or restricting breastfeeding activism or awareness campaigns. We must hold to as clear and consistent a guideline as possible to determine the appropriateness of default userpics, in order to ensure that our standards are enforced equally for every user. Any usericon in which unclothed breasts or genitalia are visible is therefore inappropriate for use as a default icon, and when such icons are reported to the Abuse team, the user is asked to make that icon non-default. If an icon depicting the act of breastfeeding does not also depict a clearly visible unclothed breast in which the areola or nipple is visible, it does not fall into this category. We do not prohibit people from using icons that are inappropriate for use as a default icon as a non-default icon, as the issue is not with the depiction of the icons themselves but their use in areas, again such as the Directory and the Schools Directory, which have been designated "nudity free". Non-default userpics are not held to the same standard, as they can only be visible in entries, comments, and communities, all of which are "user space" as opposed to "LiveJournal application space". The application of this policy to icons depicting breastfeeding is not in any way intended to be a statement that breastfeeding is dirty, shameful, or obscene. We fully support our users' right to make their own decisions regarding parenting choices and styles, and we appreciate the dedication of parents who have chosen to participate in breastfeeding activism and education. We ask only that you are willing to extend the same support and appreciation to, for instance, parents who choose to believe that it is inappropriate for their children to view unsolicited nudity in public. The physical-world analogy is not perfect in this situation; breastfeeding is indeed perfectly legal in public places, but in a public place, another parent is also able to cover a child's eyes or remove a child from the area if he or she believes that such an action is inappropriate for their child to see. We feel that the restrictions we have always placed on default usericons strike the best balance between individual expression and individual courtesy. We do agree that in a perfect world, the issue would not arise, but unfortunately, this is not a perfect world, and we believe that our solution to the issue is a reasonable compromise between two wildly divergent points of view regarding what is and is not appropriate for LiveJournal -- not simply regarding icons depicting breastfeeding, but all material which a parent or other individual might feel is inappropriate for public. I apologize for any miscommunications which may have given the impression that LiveJournal is in any way "against" individual parenting choices; the issue is not at all a political one. We welcome and value our pro-breastfeeding users and communities, and appreciate their dedication to and passion for their cause. However, because LiveJournal is a community with extremely varied standards and audiences, we must balance out the interests of all our users, and we have always felt these restrictions are the best possible compromise. Regards, Denise Paolucci Six Apart, Ltd // LiveJournal.com |
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LJ wants to ban default breastfeeding pics
Jo wrote:
I wrote them as well. I got this back in response. Yeah, I got the same one, and this bit in particular really irks me: snip These restrictions are detailed in ttp://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=111. We feel it's important to strike a balance between the ideal of free expression and the rights of, for instance, a parent to prevent their child from seeing unsolicited material that the parent feels is non-age-appropriate or the right of an individual to be able to browse public LiveJournal spaces without being exposed to nudity or violence. a) The TOS said "graphic sexual content or violence" until YESTERDAY, when they changed it to "nudity or violence". b) Numerous court decisions have found that breastfeeding is exempt from nudity restrictions and is neither illegal nor inappropriate in public. Granted private companies don't necessarily have to hew to these lines if they're not government funded in any way, but virtually all of them do. It would be like only hiring white employees... I'd like to know if male nipples count as nudity, or if bare feet count. I don't have a nursing icon myself, but how can a photo of breastfeeding suddenly become illegal, inappropriate in public, an act of nudity, or graphically sexual when the act itself is protected under so many laws??? -- C, mama to three year old nursling |
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LJ wants to ban default breastfeeding pics
Just as an update, xavi7734 posted on the LJ gropu breastfeeding that an
actual person from Media Relations at SixApart has been contacted and has promised some actual attenention. She is giving them until noon tomorrow (which would be 05/22 and Eastern time )until she sends out the media releases and response letters and asks everyone to do similarily. Anyway didn't see it posted and just thought I'd send an update Melissa Walton Mom to Connor born 05/24/05 |
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LJ wants to ban default breastfeeding pics
Please forgive the typos NAK is not as easy with an almost 1 year old as it
was when he was younger! Melissa Walton Mom to Connor born 05/24/05 |
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LJ wants to ban default breastfeeding pics
"Melissa" wrote in message ... Just as an update, xavi7734 posted on the LJ gropu breastfeeding that an actual person from Media Relations at SixApart has been contacted and has promised some actual attenention. She is giving them until noon tomorrow (which would be 05/22 and Eastern time )until she sends out the media releases and response letters and asks everyone to do similarily. Anyway didn't see it posted and just thought I'd send an update Melissa Walton Mom to Connor born 05/24/05 Thanks for posting this update for me Melissa. Somehow I've ended up spearheading this entire thing and I'm weary. Thank you all for your support and for sending letters. I'm still working directly with SixApart to get the issue resolved before it becomes a huge media event. Although I do have everything ready in case we need to go that route too (*wink*) I'll try to keep you all updated here as well. I'm also updating my personal journal as I go along http://xavi7734.livejournal.com Carrie Breastfeeding Mama Executive Director - ProMoM.Org and one ****ed off Live Journal User. |
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