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  #1441  
Old October 23rd 06, 08:00 PM posted to alt.child-support,soc.men
PolishKnight
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pandora wrote:
"PolishKnight" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I glanced at it some time ago and thought about a response. Take it as
a compliment: I found the notion of you claiming that powerless sexist
chumps required massive government programs to protect empowered women
to be rather thought provoking.


And I find nothing thought provoking about you in any way/shape/form. You
are quite insane.


Ironically, I find that statement very thought provoking as well.

The term insanity is used in many ways including as a pejorative or a
description of a clinical condition. Insanity has sometimes resulted
in bursts of creativity that have helped move mankind's progress
forward and is well represented in the arts. If anything, I would
imagine that insanity would be thought provoking rather than not.

When discussing insanity as a clinical condition, it's not an
accusation that's made by a gentlemanly person simply to score points
in a debate. The mental-health profession has been dogged by a
reputation for administering care poorly and for misdiagnosis. People
who make an effort to seek care often wind up with a social stigma. I
am honestly not posturing when I say that I find such an accusation
used casually to be incredibly low class and inhumane.

On a less grave note: It's difficult to diagnose and treat insanity
when so many people are so limited in their thinking as to not fully
understand it or even jump to the conclusion that someone is insane for
simply thinking beyond social or personal norms. There are people
today who are terrified to set foot on an airplane because they see
quite clearly that things fall down and crash. Immigrants with
different traditions were viewed as mentally inferior for acting in a
different fashion.

Therefore, when you propose that something I'm thinking is insane, I
ask myself whether you mean that it seems incredulous to you that I
would disagree with a status-quo philosophy, feminism, that is now
apparently unquestionable in most government institutions. I am not so
insane as to pretend that such institutions and social attitudes do not
exist.

On the contrary: I see the insanity and instability of a system that
pretends that women are equal while at the same time treats them as
perpetually helpless victims. Systems can be insane even if the
individuals dealing with them aren't. Ever go to the DMV? One of the
rather magical principles some brilliant businesspeople I have met tell
me is that the moment someone comes up with a good business idea, it's
usually put into effect by someone else. It often frustrates them just
how quick and adaptive people are!

So for me, exploring the gaping flaws and contradictions in a
philosophy which regards men as a second class citizen is almost if not
more effective than fighting it directly. Accuse people whose ideas
you find repugnant insane, if you like, but you'll be hard pressed to
deny they're thought provoking. Anything that gets your attention to
denounce them has some kind of merit. Times change and with change,
comes new opportunities and challenges. That's when nature seperates
those whose ideas are founded totally upon the status quo from those
who can rise and meet new challenges. Men have done that for millennia
for both good and bad reasons. Sooner rather than later, women who buy
your ideals will have to stand on their own merit without their
oppressors/benefactors to fall back on. And it won't matter one bit
what they believe. That's reality.

regards,
PolishKnight

  #1442  
Old October 23rd 06, 08:46 PM posted to alt.child-support,soc.men
Daedalus
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On 23 Oct 2006 12:00:09 -0700, "PolishKnight" wrote:


pandora wrote:
"PolishKnight" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I glanced at it some time ago and thought about a response. Take it as
a compliment: I found the notion of you claiming that powerless sexist
chumps required massive government programs to protect empowered women
to be rather thought provoking.


And I find nothing thought provoking about you in any way/shape/form. You
are quite insane.


Ironically, I find that statement very thought provoking as well.

The term insanity is used in many ways including as a pejorative or a
description of a clinical condition. Insanity has sometimes resulted
in bursts of creativity that have helped move mankind's progress
forward and is well represented in the arts. If anything, I would
imagine that insanity would be thought provoking rather than not.

When discussing insanity as a clinical condition, it's not an
accusation that's made by a gentlemanly person simply to score points
in a debate. The mental-health profession has been dogged by a
reputation for administering care poorly and for misdiagnosis. People
who make an effort to seek care often wind up with a social stigma. I
am honestly not posturing when I say that I find such an accusation
used casually to be incredibly low class and inhumane.

On a less grave note: It's difficult to diagnose and treat insanity
when so many people are so limited in their thinking as to not fully
understand it or even jump to the conclusion that someone is insane for
simply thinking beyond social or personal norms. There are people
today who are terrified to set foot on an airplane because they see
quite clearly that things fall down and crash. Immigrants with
different traditions were viewed as mentally inferior for acting in a
different fashion.

Therefore, when you propose that something I'm thinking is insane, I
ask myself whether you mean that it seems incredulous to you that I
would disagree with a status-quo philosophy, feminism, that is now
apparently unquestionable in most government institutions. I am not so
insane as to pretend that such institutions and social attitudes do not
exist.

On the contrary: I see the insanity and instability of a system that
pretends that women are equal while at the same time treats them as
perpetually helpless victims. Systems can be insane even if the
individuals dealing with them aren't. Ever go to the DMV? One of the
rather magical principles some brilliant businesspeople I have met tell
me is that the moment someone comes up with a good business idea, it's
usually put into effect by someone else. It often frustrates them just
how quick and adaptive people are!

So for me, exploring the gaping flaws and contradictions in a
philosophy which regards men as a second class citizen is almost if not
more effective than fighting it directly. Accuse people whose ideas
you find repugnant insane, if you like, but you'll be hard pressed to
deny they're thought provoking. Anything that gets your attention to
denounce them has some kind of merit. Times change and with change,
comes new opportunities and challenges. That's when nature seperates
those whose ideas are founded totally upon the status quo from those
who can rise and meet new challenges. Men have done that for millennia
for both good and bad reasons. Sooner rather than later, women who buy
your ideals will have to stand on their own merit without their
oppressors/benefactors to fall back on. And it won't matter one bit
what they believe. That's reality.

regards,
PolishKnight


I think you just got to the heart of the matter here. Insane, maybe.
Interesting, not particularly.

Jade

  #1443  
Old October 23rd 06, 09:22 PM posted to alt.child-support,soc.men
Aratzio
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:46:23 -0400, Daedalus
transparently proposed:

On 23 Oct 2006 12:00:09 -0700, "PolishKnight" wrote:


pandora wrote:
"PolishKnight" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I glanced at it some time ago and thought about a response. Take it as
a compliment: I found the notion of you claiming that powerless sexist
chumps required massive government programs to protect empowered women
to be rather thought provoking.

And I find nothing thought provoking about you in any way/shape/form. You
are quite insane.


Ironically, I find that statement very thought provoking as well.

The term insanity is used in many ways including as a pejorative or a
description of a clinical condition. Insanity has sometimes resulted
in bursts of creativity that have helped move mankind's progress
forward and is well represented in the arts. If anything, I would
imagine that insanity would be thought provoking rather than not.

When discussing insanity as a clinical condition, it's not an
accusation that's made by a gentlemanly person simply to score points
in a debate. The mental-health profession has been dogged by a
reputation for administering care poorly and for misdiagnosis. People
who make an effort to seek care often wind up with a social stigma. I
am honestly not posturing when I say that I find such an accusation
used casually to be incredibly low class and inhumane.

On a less grave note: It's difficult to diagnose and treat insanity
when so many people are so limited in their thinking as to not fully
understand it or even jump to the conclusion that someone is insane for
simply thinking beyond social or personal norms. There are people
today who are terrified to set foot on an airplane because they see
quite clearly that things fall down and crash. Immigrants with
different traditions were viewed as mentally inferior for acting in a
different fashion.

Therefore, when you propose that something I'm thinking is insane, I
ask myself whether you mean that it seems incredulous to you that I
would disagree with a status-quo philosophy, feminism, that is now
apparently unquestionable in most government institutions. I am not so
insane as to pretend that such institutions and social attitudes do not
exist.

On the contrary: I see the insanity and instability of a system that
pretends that women are equal while at the same time treats them as
perpetually helpless victims. Systems can be insane even if the
individuals dealing with them aren't. Ever go to the DMV? One of the
rather magical principles some brilliant businesspeople I have met tell
me is that the moment someone comes up with a good business idea, it's
usually put into effect by someone else. It often frustrates them just
how quick and adaptive people are!

So for me, exploring the gaping flaws and contradictions in a
philosophy which regards men as a second class citizen is almost if not
more effective than fighting it directly. Accuse people whose ideas
you find repugnant insane, if you like, but you'll be hard pressed to
deny they're thought provoking. Anything that gets your attention to
denounce them has some kind of merit. Times change and with change,
comes new opportunities and challenges. That's when nature seperates
those whose ideas are founded totally upon the status quo from those
who can rise and meet new challenges. Men have done that for millennia
for both good and bad reasons. Sooner rather than later, women who buy
your ideals will have to stand on their own merit without their
oppressors/benefactors to fall back on. And it won't matter one bit
what they believe. That's reality.

regards,
PolishKnight


I think you just got to the heart of the matter here. Insane, maybe.
Interesting, not particularly.

Jade


You read it? Now that is insane.

--

Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
  #1444  
Old October 24th 06, 10:08 PM posted to alt.child-support,soc.men
Rags
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Posts: 46
Default Insane thoughts...


All,

Here is an article from Reuters today that I thought might be of
interest to this group.

Blue-eyed men prefer blue-eyed women: researchers Mon Oct 23, 6:22 PM
ET

OSLO (Reuters) - Blue-eyed men prefer blue-eyed women, apparently
because eye color can help reveal whether their partner has been
faithful, researchers said on Monday.

"Before you request a paternity test, spend a few minutes looking at
your child's eye color," Bruno Laeng and colleagues at the University
of Tromso in Norway said in the study.

Under the laws of genetics, two parents with blue eyes will always have
blue-eyed children, it said. So a blue-eyed man can know his blue-eyed
wife or partner has cheated on him if their child has brown eyes.

"Blue-eyed men may have unconsciously learned to value a physical trait
that can facilitate recognition of own kin," the scientists said in the
journal Behavioral Ecology and Sociobiology.

The scientists asked 88 students to rate the attractiveness of models
based on pictures manipulated so that half of them had blue eyes and
the other half had brown eyes. The blue-eyed men in the group showed a
preference for blue-eyed women.

But brown-eyed men, who cannot find any clues about paternity from a
child's eye color, had no preferences by eye color. Women showed no
preference for brown- or blue-eyed men, regardless their own eye color.


A quarter of children born to two brown-eyed parents who have both
brown and blue-eye genes among their ancestors will have blue eyes. The
rest will be brown.

In a second study, 443 young adults of both sexes were asked about the
eye color of their partners -- blue-eyed men were also the group with
the highest proportion of partners with the same eye color.

**************************************

Has evolution developed a system where women don't care who the father
is but men do?

Does this relate to the CP/NCP/CS issue?

Hmmm?

Any thoughts?

I am sure the Feminist VS Anti-Feminist debate will be lively on this
one.

Best regards,
Rags

  #1445  
Old October 26th 06, 07:42 AM posted to alt.child-support,soc.men
pandora
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wrote in message
oups.com...

pandora wrote:
"PolishKnight" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I glanced at it some time ago and thought about a response. Take it

as
a compliment: I found the notion of you claiming that powerless sexist
chumps required massive government programs to protect empowered women
to be rather thought provoking.


And I find nothing thought provoking about you in any way/shape/form.

You
are quite insane.


Mark 1, Marg 0

Don't worry Marg, you got soundly outdebated and I enjoyed every word
of it. ;-)


I'm sure you did since your life is so devoid of anything interesting. I'm
glad to have provided you with something at least. It's my job and I'm
proud to do it.

CWQ



  #1446  
Old October 26th 06, 08:43 AM posted to alt.child-support,soc.men
pandora
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Posts: 112
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"Aratzio" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:46:23 -0400, Daedalus
transparently proposed:

On 23 Oct 2006 12:00:09 -0700, "PolishKnight" wrote:


pandora wrote:
"PolishKnight" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I glanced at it some time ago and thought about a response. Take it

as
a compliment: I found the notion of you claiming that powerless

sexist
chumps required massive government programs to protect empowered

women
to be rather thought provoking.

And I find nothing thought provoking about you in any way/shape/form.

You
are quite insane.

Ironically, I find that statement very thought provoking as well.

The term insanity is used in many ways including as a pejorative or a
description of a clinical condition. Insanity has sometimes resulted
in bursts of creativity that have helped move mankind's progress
forward and is well represented in the arts. If anything, I would
imagine that insanity would be thought provoking rather than not.

When discussing insanity as a clinical condition, it's not an
accusation that's made by a gentlemanly person simply to score points
in a debate. The mental-health profession has been dogged by a
reputation for administering care poorly and for misdiagnosis. People
who make an effort to seek care often wind up with a social stigma. I
am honestly not posturing when I say that I find such an accusation
used casually to be incredibly low class and inhumane.

On a less grave note: It's difficult to diagnose and treat insanity
when so many people are so limited in their thinking as to not fully
understand it or even jump to the conclusion that someone is insane for
simply thinking beyond social or personal norms. There are people
today who are terrified to set foot on an airplane because they see
quite clearly that things fall down and crash. Immigrants with
different traditions were viewed as mentally inferior for acting in a
different fashion.

Therefore, when you propose that something I'm thinking is insane, I
ask myself whether you mean that it seems incredulous to you that I
would disagree with a status-quo philosophy, feminism, that is now
apparently unquestionable in most government institutions. I am not so
insane as to pretend that such institutions and social attitudes do not
exist.

On the contrary: I see the insanity and instability of a system that
pretends that women are equal while at the same time treats them as
perpetually helpless victims. Systems can be insane even if the
individuals dealing with them aren't. Ever go to the DMV? One of the
rather magical principles some brilliant businesspeople I have met tell
me is that the moment someone comes up with a good business idea, it's
usually put into effect by someone else. It often frustrates them just
how quick and adaptive people are!

So for me, exploring the gaping flaws and contradictions in a
philosophy which regards men as a second class citizen is almost if not
more effective than fighting it directly. Accuse people whose ideas
you find repugnant insane, if you like, but you'll be hard pressed to
deny they're thought provoking. Anything that gets your attention to
denounce them has some kind of merit. Times change and with change,
comes new opportunities and challenges. That's when nature seperates
those whose ideas are founded totally upon the status quo from those
who can rise and meet new challenges. Men have done that for millennia
for both good and bad reasons. Sooner rather than later, women who buy
your ideals will have to stand on their own merit without their
oppressors/benefactors to fall back on. And it won't matter one bit
what they believe. That's reality.

regards,
PolishKnight


I think you just got to the heart of the matter here. Insane, maybe.
Interesting, not particularly.

Jade


You read it? Now that is insane.


I completely agree.

CWQ

--

Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?



  #1447  
Old October 26th 06, 07:48 PM posted to alt.child-support,soc.men
Rags
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Posts: 46
Default Insane thoughts...


Rags wrote:
All,

Here is an article from Reuters today that I thought might be of
interest to this group.

Blue-eyed men prefer blue-eyed women: researchers Mon Oct 23, 6:22 PM
ET

OSLO (Reuters) - Blue-eyed men prefer blue-eyed women, apparently
because eye color can help reveal whether their partner has been
faithful, researchers said on Monday.

"Before you request a paternity test, spend a few minutes looking at
your child's eye color," Bruno Laeng and colleagues at the University
of Tromso in Norway said in the study.

Under the laws of genetics, two parents with blue eyes will always have
blue-eyed children, it said. So a blue-eyed man can know his blue-eyed
wife or partner has cheated on him if their child has brown eyes.

"Blue-eyed men may have unconsciously learned to value a physical trait
that can facilitate recognition of own kin," the scientists said in the
journal Behavioral Ecology and Sociobiology.

The scientists asked 88 students to rate the attractiveness of models
based on pictures manipulated so that half of them had blue eyes and
the other half had brown eyes. The blue-eyed men in the group showed a
preference for blue-eyed women.

But brown-eyed men, who cannot find any clues about paternity from a
child's eye color, had no preferences by eye color. Women showed no
preference for brown- or blue-eyed men, regardless their own eye color.


A quarter of children born to two brown-eyed parents who have both
brown and blue-eye genes among their ancestors will have blue eyes. The
rest will be brown.

In a second study, 443 young adults of both sexes were asked about the
eye color of their partners -- blue-eyed men were also the group with
the highest proportion of partners with the same eye color.

**************************************

Has evolution developed a system where women don't care who the father
is but men do?

Does this relate to the CP/NCP/CS issue?

Hmmm?

Any thoughts?

I am sure the Feminist VS Anti-Feminist debate will be lively on this
one.

Best regards,
Rags


Guess I was wrong.

Regards,
Rags

  #1448  
Old October 26th 06, 08:09 PM posted to alt.child-support,soc.men
Gini
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Posts: 936
Default Insane thoughts...


"Rags" wrote

Rags wrote:

..............................................

Under the laws of genetics, two parents with blue eyes will always have
blue-eyed children, it said. So a blue-eyed man can know his blue-eyed
wife or partner has cheated on him if their child has brown eyes.

.................................................. ..................
Does this relate to the CP/NCP/CS issue?

Hmmm?

Any thoughts?

I am sure the Feminist VS Anti-Feminist debate will be lively on this
one.

Best regards,
Rags


Guess I was wrong.

==
Hehe--Sometimes we get real lazy around here. FWIW, she could have been
screwing
around with another blue-eyed man. None of this is really significant to
child support
though. Paternity tests are always prudent regardless of eye color.


  #1449  
Old October 26th 06, 08:13 PM posted to alt.child-support,soc.men
Rags
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 46
Default Insane thoughts...


Gini wrote:
"Rags" wrote

Rags wrote:

.............................................

Under the laws of genetics, two parents with blue eyes will always have
blue-eyed children, it said. So a blue-eyed man can know his blue-eyed
wife or partner has cheated on him if their child has brown eyes.

.................................................. .................
Does this relate to the CP/NCP/CS issue?

Hmmm?

Any thoughts?

I am sure the Feminist VS Anti-Feminist debate will be lively on this
one.

Best regards,
Rags


Guess I was wrong.

==
Hehe--Sometimes we get real lazy around here. FWIW, she could have been
screwing
around with another blue-eyed man. None of this is really significant to
child support
though. Paternity tests are always prudent regardless of eye color.


Modern technology is great for providing clarity around paternity. I
know this article was not directly related to the forum topic but I
thought it might motivate some interesting conversation.

Regards,
Rags

 




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