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Dentist uses Nitrous Oxide?
"iphigenia" wrote in message ... Wendy Marsden wrote: The pediatric dentist was talking about scheduling an OR for sometime in the winter (months and months from now) to do all four fillings at once. I'm disinclined to put my kid through general anasthesia again. (Long story, but probably related to why he has such weirdly horrible teeth: he had a traumatic illness and hospitalization 15 months ago.) I'm thinking of finding a dentist that does NOT use nitrous oxide but who will prescribe a valium before the visit. What do you think? Are you concerned about all forms of being knocked out? My pediodontist gives chloral hydrate to kids over 3. After a few deaths that occurred within a short span of time, Kaiser stopped filling any prescriptions for children for chloral hydrate written by dentists. (The deaths weren't Kaiser related, but Kaiser didn't want to be involved in one, either.) That was a few years ago, but I'm sure their policy still stands. I would never let my child be sedated with chloral hydrate outside a hospital setting. |
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Dentist uses Nitrous Oxide?
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:14:16 GMT, "Roger Schlafly"
wrote: "Wendy Marsden" wrote The pediatric dentist was talking about scheduling an OR for sometime in the winter (months and months from now) to do all four fillings at Get a new dentist. Do not pay any bill (since he didn't do the work requested). There is no need to use anasthesia or painkillers for simple fillings. Just say no. You, Roger, are an idiot. I would really love seeing you try to put four fillings into a four-year-old boy without anesthesia or "painkillers." Not only is it excessively cruel, but dangerous. Moron. PF |
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Dentist uses Nitrous Oxide?
Wendy Marsden wrote:
The damn dentist threw us out. So much for pediatric dentists knowing how to work with kids! He offered no solution beyond we'll try again on Monday. Meanwhile, this dentist is a 45 minute drive from my home, he isn't a preferred provider in my insurance plan and he thinks I've caused my son's mouth problems through neglect (which just isn't true.) Wendy, if I were you I would definitely NOT return to that man. My father is a dentist, and I have seen what trauma it can cause in people if they are treated like that as young children. Please go and find a pediatric dentist who knows how to deal with children. It sounds to me that your son may have some generic problem, e.g. in some people the tooth enamel is very thin and causes lots of cavities even with proper oral care. You want a dentist that takes all of these things into account and trusts you if you tell that you take good care, and not one that immediately blames it on you. Perhaps your family dentist has another suggestion for you? -- -- I mommy to DS (14m) guardian of DH EDD 05-17-2004 War doesn't decide who's right - only who's left |
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Dentist uses Nitrous Oxide?
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"JoAnna" wrote: "Wendy Marsden" wrote in message ... My four year old finally, FINALLY got his dentist visit today, four months after an x-ray showed a startling five cavities. Our dentist promptly referred us to a pediatric dentist, saying she wasn't set up to do that much work on a small kid. The pediatric dentist fit us in for an initial exam and a teeth cleaning, but couldn't get us an appointment to treat him until today. Things started out fine, everyone was cheerful and no one was scared or anxious. He got in the chair and was laughing and fine. But five minutes into the nitrous oxide he suddenly started whimpering and curling up and got clingy and weepy and scared. I wasn't able to figure out what was causing the anxiety - I really think it was a reaction to the nitrous oxide. The dentist just thought I had a wimpy boy that I babied - which wouldn't be a crime if I did, but that doesn't happen to be the case. The damn dentist threw us out. So much for pediatric dentists knowing how to work with kids! He offered no solution beyond we'll try again on Monday. Meanwhile, this dentist is a 45 minute drive from my home, he isn't a preferred provider in my insurance plan and he thinks I've caused my son's mouth problems through neglect (which just isn't true.) The pediatric dentist was talking about scheduling an OR for sometime in the winter (months and months from now) to do all four fillings at once. I'm disinclined to put my kid through general anasthesia again. (Long story, but probably related to why he has such weirdly horrible teeth: he had a traumatic illness and hospitalization 15 months ago.) I'm thinking of finding a dentist that does NOT use nitrous oxide but who will prescribe a valium before the visit. What do you think? -- Wendy I had some kind of panic attack at the dentists while on nitrous as a teenager ...never used it again!! I have had all my wisdom teeth pulled with just novacaine. same with the root canal I had and any fillings. as a child we had a fillings done with nothing IIRC. Certainly not nitrous. Do they need something for pain? ther aren't any nerves in babyteeth are there? many people think baby teeth don't have nerves or roots because when they are pushed out the roots have been dissolved by the permanent teeth coming below -- baby teeth are just like permanent teeth - roots and all -- [otherwise they would fall out from chewing] and they hurt just like regular teeth however if the cavity is deep, a local can be used -- there is no need for a general anesthetic for simple dental care |
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My personal dentist numbs the area where the cavity is going to be filled
with a shot of some sort. No gas at all. Both of my kids have cavities, so I will see what their dentist uses for cavities, if anything. My oldest daughter had to have a dental procedure and she was put under general anesthesia, but that involved going to the hospital, putting in an IV and having the anesthesiologist on board and nurses. -- Sue mom to three girls Wendy Marsden wrote in message ... My four year old finally, FINALLY got his dentist visit today, four months after an x-ray showed a startling five cavities. Our dentist promptly referred us to a pediatric dentist, saying she wasn't set up to do that much work on a small kid. The pediatric dentist fit us in for an initial exam and a teeth cleaning, but couldn't get us an appointment to treat him until today. Things started out fine, everyone was cheerful and no one was scared or anxious. He got in the chair and was laughing and fine. But five minutes into the nitrous oxide he suddenly started whimpering and curling up and got clingy and weepy and scared. I wasn't able to figure out what was causing the anxiety - I really think it was a reaction to the nitrous oxide. The dentist just thought I had a wimpy boy that I babied - which wouldn't be a crime if I did, but that doesn't happen to be the case. The damn dentist threw us out. So much for pediatric dentists knowing how to work with kids! He offered no solution beyond we'll try again on Monday. Meanwhile, this dentist is a 45 minute drive from my home, he isn't a preferred provider in my insurance plan and he thinks I've caused my son's mouth problems through neglect (which just isn't true.) The pediatric dentist was talking about scheduling an OR for sometime in the winter (months and months from now) to do all four fillings at once. I'm disinclined to put my kid through general anasthesia again. (Long story, but probably related to why he has such weirdly horrible teeth: he had a traumatic illness and hospitalization 15 months ago.) I'm thinking of finding a dentist that does NOT use nitrous oxide but who will prescribe a valium before the visit. What do you think? -- Wendy |
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Wendy Marsden wrote:
Things started out fine, everyone was cheerful and no one was scared or anxious. He got in the chair and was laughing and fine. But five minutes into the nitrous oxide he suddenly started whimpering and curling up and got clingy and weepy and scared. It's not 100% side effect free. See anything below that could reduce your kid to a trembling, whimpering, clingy creatu More common Shivering or trembling Less common Blurred or double vision or other vision problems; dizziness, lightheadedness, or feeling faint; drowsiness; headache; mood or mental changes; nausea (mild) or vomiting; nightmares or unusual dreams. It's most often used WITH novocaine, not as the only anaesthectic. The damn dentist threw us out. So much for pediatric dentists knowing how to work with kids! I wuuld file a formla writte complaint with whoever governs these people. If they don't recognize the symptoms of an adverse reaciton, and didn't warn the kid he's "feel floaty, they deserve to be reprimanded. He offered no solution beyond we'll try again on Monday. Meanwhile, this dentist is a 45 minute drive from my home, he isn't a preferred provider in my insurance plan and he thinks I've caused my son's mouth problems through neglect (which just isn't true.) The pediatric dentist was talking about scheduling an OR for sometime in the winter (months and months from now) to do all four fillings at once. I'm disinclined to put my kid through general anasthesia again. I'm thinking of finding a dentist that does NOT use nitrous oxide but who will prescribe a valium before the visit. What do you think? Valium before, and a good calm manner, and liberal quantities of novocaine should do it. Tsu Dho Nimh -- When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or your kid and run for your life. |
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Dentist uses Nitrous Oxide?
Wendy Marsden wrote in message ...
In misc.kids Cathy Weeks wrote: PLEASE don't make little ones do it without some sort of anesthesia (doesn't have to be nitrous - there are alternatives) What are the alternatives? When he had a tooth extracted the oral surgeon asked us to give him 4 mg of valium an hour or so before the procedure. My husband took him to the procedure and reported no problems. I know they used nitrous oxide during the procedure, too, and I assume they used some sort of novicaine, but I don't really know. Well, valium is one option. Are you sure the reaction was to the nitrous though? The dentist seems like a jerk, and perhaps your son got frightened. If your son has been fine with nitrous in the past, then it might be that your kid picked up on other things, and got scared. It happens, even after going in the past. There are other drugs that can be given to him, and many novicaine injections can be done painlessly if the dentist is skillful (not all of them - injections to the roof of the mouth pretty much always hurt). I'm not a dentist, but my dad is. I would suggest meeting with another pediatric dentist and asking some questions. I knew instantly that our pediatric dentist was wonderful, and he is- you'll know if you like the new one pretty quickly He clearly thought that I had freaked the kid out about dentistry before we got there. (Note that this is Sammy's 8th dentist visit and he hasn't freaked out before.) Kids can freak out at any time. He could have picked up on your tension, or he could have taken a dislike to the dentist for whatever reason. (And it sounds reasonable if you ask me). me. I'm sick to death of the condescending way this ped dentist keeps pooh-poohing my concerns, like, "could his sudden onslaught of bad teeth be from a medical condition?" to which the dentist said, "no, it's because you weren't flossing his teeth." This guy isn't the dentist for you. Really. Any healthcare provider should provide basic courtesy and caring. My other two kids are ages 10 and 12 and have one cavity between them. It's just too weird that all my toddler's bicuspids would go bad suddenly. (It's not baby bottle mouth.) Are you sure that they did go suddenly? Could the dentist have not caught it before? Two different people have pointed out to me that this ped dentist might be hard to leave. He's a mandatory child abuse reporter and he already believes my child's teeth issues are from neglect. I don't really see how a mother who has brought her 51 month old child to a dentist 8 times now can be accused of dental neglect, but it's something to consider. I think it is QUITE possible he could report me for not obtaining treatment [from him] if I don't go ahead with his treatment plan. Ah, I wouldn't let this guy hold that kind of sway over you. First of all, do you have your son's visits documented (like in a diary or planner)? And you have the other dentist's (it sounds like he went to more than one) records. In all likelihood if you never go back, he'll never think about it again. If you mention that you are getting a 2nd opinion, then he might try and cause problems. Just never contact them again. And if they call you to follow up, just say that you took him to another dentist that he connects with better, and give them the name and number. Any advice would be appreciated. I particularly want to know what you think about my idea of using valium. I'm not in favor of drugging my child on a regular basis (!) and the way he was on valium really creeped me out, but I do think it will be too much to ask him (particularly now) to open wide and sit still while a guy wrestles around in his mouth for 1/2 an hour. Go to another pediatric dentist and ask some questions. I don't have a problem with Valium, but I know that nitrous can work well, too. But a new dentist in a cool new office might be all that's needed. The third problem is that I just don't trust this dentist. Don't go back. Seriously. If you don't trust him, then do NOT let him work on your little boy. I honestly did not know he had used nitrous oxide when he did a tooth cleaning. I was sitting right there and remember the mask, but it never occurred to me he was sedating my child for a teeth cleaning (Sammy's third and first in a pediatric practice and he'd never had problems before and he didn't then but I didn't realize he was drugged.) No offense, but what did you think the mask was for? I'm not sure that nitrous was necessary for such a minor procedure, and doing all procedures under it's use seems wierd, buuutttt... The dentist also had never heard of a paradoxical reaction to nitrous oxide (or didn't recognize one when it occurred) and he also doens't trust me. BUT he's the only dentist around here who does hospital dentistry on kids. The ONLY one. Go farther away. It's worth it, believe me. A good dentist, especially in childhood makes all the difference. My dad has patients that come from more than an hour away because he's so gentle. For years he had a sign up that said "we cater to cowards". By the way, the pediatric dentist we take my stepson to doesn't allow parents in the examining room because he says the parents scare kids more than he does. He also NEVER does anything on the first visit, because he wants them to get to know him and not associate him with getting teeth worked on. He's also got a great sense of humor, and my stepson *asks* when he gets to go back. When we walked in for the first time, he was out in the waiting room talking to a parent, and a little boy around 4 years old. Garrett was probably seven at the time, and the dentist looked at Garrett and pointed to the little boy, and deadpanned "He's getting married. He told me." I knew instantly that the guy was a natural with kids. That's what I mean - you'll know instantly when you meet a good pediatric dentist. He also made a copy of Garrett's x-ray to send to my dad, when he heard that my dad had done G's dentistry before we moved. Cathy Weeks Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01 |
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Dentist uses Nitrous Oxide?
In misc.kids Cathy Weeks wrote:
Well, valium is one option. Are you sure the reaction was to the nitrous though? The dentist seems like a jerk, and perhaps your son got frightened. As one poster pointed out, he might have been on a bad trip. :-) A friend of mine who is a dentist (in the air force, not private practice) pointed out that it releases inhibitions and maybe he was putting on a brave front but the bravery fell away and he got all sobby and clingy like he wanted to be. I don't know. We really weren't tense about this. We were looking forward to getting his teeth fixed. I pointed out that Mommy can do lots of things but Mommy can't fix teeth so we needed this guy. I didn't LIKE him, but I didn't HATE him or distrust him. The opposite was true: I expected he knew how to make a child feel at ease and trusted him to do that. It's just too weird that all my toddler's bicuspids would go bad suddenly. (It's not baby bottle mouth.) Are you sure that they did go suddenly? Could the dentist have not caught it before? I'm trying to recall if he had x-rays taken at his first exam. I think they might not have done any. He'd had a cleaning approximately 7 months before he presented with five cavities (including an abscessed tooth.) There was not indication at the time that there was a problem, but it wasn't an exam. He'd had been critically ill a year ago and I wonder if some aspect of that was related - the drugs they treated him with, or maybe just the physical nature of having tubes in your nose and throat and not brushing your teeth for 10 or 11 days? It never occurred to me to brush his teeth when he was not able to take any fluids or foods by mouth and had tubes in it. (Didn't occur to any of his 14 doctors or 20 nurses either, I might point out.) I honestly did not know he had used nitrous oxide when he did a tooth cleaning. I was sitting right there and remember the mask, but it never occurred to me he was sedating my child for a teeth cleaning (Sammy's third and first in a pediatric practice and he'd never had problems before and he didn't then but I didn't realize he was drugged.) No offense, but what did you think the mask was for? I'm not sure that nitrous was necessary for such a minor procedure, and doing all procedures under it's use seems wierd, buuutttt... Good question. I'm kicking myself over this one. The dentist weirded me out at first by insisting that I cancel my imminant cleaning appointment with our old dentist and make one with him. I didn't see why, and he said it was because he familiarizes the children with his office procedures and develops a rapport with him. Okay, fine. So I delayed my son's already over-due cleaning appointment. When we finally got there and he did the whole medical shebang I figured it was just a mock-up. I would definitely recall if he had said, "I'm giving your son a sedative now." He absolutely did NOT tell me. I sat there reading a People Magazine (a guilty pleasure of dental offices) and tried not to hover. I don't recall my son being odd during or after. He's a cheerful compliant little boy most of the time. He did fall asleep in the car ride home, but that's not terribly unusual and it still didn't occur to me that he had been drugged. Go farther away. It's worth it, believe me. A good dentist, especially in childhood makes all the difference. My dad has patients that come from more than an hour away because he's so gentle. For years he had a sign up that said "we cater to cowards". I have been hearing this. I got into a conversation with my best friend about this yesterday. Her daughter sees an oncologist 100 miles away. I was groaning about the logistical nightmares of frequent visits that far away, and she pointed out that it is worth it for a life-or-death scenario with one follow-up visit a year. Is it worth it for a happier dental relationship six times a year? I think not! By the way, the pediatric dentist we take my stepson to doesn't allow parents in the examining room because he says the parents scare kids more than he does. I'd be okay with this if I trusted the dentist. I don't trust this guy. He doesn't ask that, either. The office is clearly set up with a parent chair next to every kid. He has three kids in three different stations going at a time in one big room. Maybe that's why he threw us out, he didn't want Sammy's fussing to upset the other kids. Thanks for your suggestions and insight. I really needed to help get this straight in my head. Wendy |
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Dentist uses Nitrous Oxide?
Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message . ..
I wuuld file a formla writte complaint with whoever governs these people. If they don't recognize the symptoms of an adverse reaciton, and didn't warn the kid he's "feel floaty, they deserve to be reprimanded. That would be the American Dental Association. http://www.ada.com/ Cathy Weeks Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01 |
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