Fulton DFCS official charged with felony child abuse: due in courtJuly 31 for arraignment on a felony charge of first degree child cruelty.

Fulton DFCS official charged with felony child abuse

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...fcsarrest.html

By KATHY JEFCOATS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 06/20/07

One of Fulton County's top child welfare officials has been indicted on
child abuse charges, Fayette County Superior Court records show.

Cylenthia Clark, 38, of Atlanta, is due in court July 31 for arraignment
on a felony charge of first degree child cruelty. She is assistant
director of the Fulton Department of Family and Children's Services.

The June 5 indictment alleges Clark beat her oldest child, an 8-year-old
girl, 34 times with a leather belt after ordering her to strip to her
underwear.

Clark has denied being abusive but said she spanked the girl as
punishment for fighting a teacher in an after-school program.

Clark and her husband, Chicago natives, are divorcing and she was living
in Fayetteville with their four daughters. After her arrest, the girls,
8, 6, 5, and 3, went back to live with their father. Clark returned to
her job after bonding out of the Fayette jail but DFCS officials said
she is doing administrative duties, not working with child protective cases.

In May, a Fayette Juvenile Court judge granted Clark custody of her
daughters after ruling the girls were deprived under the law. The
hearing was closed to the public and a full explanation of what was
meant by "deprived" was never given.





CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...

0:-] wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:15:51 -0700, fx wrote:

.... surly Greg, in all fairness, considering the other times he's
spoken out for parents who beat and call it spanking, will come to the
defense of this parent, won't he?

Spanking is legal in Georgia - there is no 'limit' on the number of
wacks, just the outcome. As long as the spanking causes no physical injury.

I see no mention of injury, and her cronies gave her the rest of her
kids back, so chances are she'll get a big -- NOT GUILTY on this spanking.


Or could it be he has a double standard?

Gosh, Greg, where's Fern when you need him, eh?

0:]

Fulton DFCS official charged with felony child abuse

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...fcsarrest.html

By KATHY JEFCOATS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 06/20/07

One of Fulton County's top child welfare officials has been indicted on
child abuse charges, Fayette County Superior Court records show.

Cylenthia Clark, 38, of Atlanta, is due in court July 31 for arraignment
on a felony charge of first degree child cruelty. She is assistant
director of the Fulton Department of Family and Children's Services.

The June 5 indictment alleges Clark beat her oldest child, an 8-year-old
girl, 34 times with a leather belt after ordering her to strip to her
underwear.

Clark has denied being abusive but said she spanked the girl as
punishment for fighting a teacher in an after-school program.

Clark and her husband, Chicago natives, are divorcing and she was living
in Fayetteville with their four daughters. After her arrest, the girls,
8, 6, 5, and 3, went back to live with their father. Clark returned to
her job after bonding out of the Fayette jail but DFCS officials said
she is doing administrative duties, not working with child protective cases.

In May, a Fayette Juvenile Court judge granted Clark custody of her
daughters after ruling the girls were deprived under the law. The
hearing was closed to the public and a full explanation of what was
meant by "deprived" was never given.





CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...


--
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0:-] wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:28:23 -0400, Subway Groper
wrote:

0:-] wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:15:51 -0700, fx wrote:

.... surly Greg, in all fairness, considering the other times he's
spoken out for parents who beat and call it spanking, will come to the
defense of this parent, won't he?
Spanking is legal in Georgia -

Spanking is legal in all states. There is an interpretation in
Minnesota statute the could be taken as limiting spanking, but you
haven't made your point.

there is no 'limit' on the number of
wacks, just the outcome. As long as the spanking causes no physical injury.

Same as everywhere. You think hitting a child with a leather belt
won't leave injuries?

I see no mention of injury,

Lack of evidence does not prove the negative. She used a leather belt.
34 times, on a child in her underwear.

What are the chances there were no injuries, do you think?

It's impossible to say - but a physical injury would be like a broken
bone, or laceration requiring stitches - brusing is quite legal -- it
must be a REAL injury.


and her cronies gave her the rest of her
kids back, so chances are she'll get a big -- NOT GUILTY on this spanking.

They did?

"After her arrest, the girls, 8, 6, 5, and 3, went back to live with
their father."

It was a judge, not her cronies, and it was all the children, not "the
rest." Apparently they were in more serious risks with the father.

Don't be silly - she's an asst. Director, chances are she's barbequed
with this judge. In any event, I'm sure they are on a 'first name' basis.


"In May, a Fayette Juvenile Court judge granted Clark custody of her
daughters after ruling the girls were deprived under the law. The
hearing was closed to the public and a full explanation of what was
meant by "deprived" was never given.

And this is right up Greg's alley, for you see, he and his cronies
like to argue that it's the Right of the Child not to be removed from
abusive parents, least he or she not be there for the next adult
parental temper tantrum.

You're silly. You make stuff up and attribute it to folks. I've NEVER
seen ANYONE here argue for a child to stay in an abusive situation. It's
just that your definition of 'abuse' includes anything YOU feel is abuse.

Yes folks have argued that children should not be removed for spanking -
but then again, resonable folk [and legislatures in 50 states] don't
see spanking as abuse. Your milage may vary.



So Greg would cheer the return of these children, if he will speak up
and express his usual bias on such matters.

You know nothing of what Mr. Hanson would 'cheer'. Don't be so silly. lol



But then, I wouldn't want to speak for him. Just urging him to speak
for himself, like he just recently defended the murder of a child by
taping a pacifier to it's mouth as 'not intended," but CRIMINALIZED by
the system.

I suggest you take your considerable obsession with Greg to email.


I'm touched at how sentimental, when it comes to murderous,
incestuous, raging parents our pet group "parent and child loving,"
darling can be.

This article isn't about what your daddy did to you boy, it's about a
lady that spanked her kid. You really should seek help for your problem.

Good luck.



0:]


Or could it be he has a double standard?

Gosh, Greg, where's Fern when you need him, eh?

0:]

Fulton DFCS official charged with felony child abuse

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...fcsarrest.html

By KATHY JEFCOATS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 06/20/07

One of Fulton County's top child welfare officials has been indicted on
child abuse charges, Fayette County Superior Court records show.

Cylenthia Clark, 38, of Atlanta, is due in court July 31 for arraignment
on a felony charge of first degree child cruelty. She is assistant
director of the Fulton Department of Family and Children's Services.

The June 5 indictment alleges Clark beat her oldest child, an 8-year-old
girl, 34 times with a leather belt after ordering her to strip to her
underwear.

Clark has denied being abusive but said she spanked the girl as
punishment for fighting a teacher in an after-school program.

Clark and her husband, Chicago natives, are divorcing and she was living
in Fayetteville with their four daughters. After her arrest, the girls,
8, 6, 5, and 3, went back to live with their father. Clark returned to
her job after bonding out of the Fayette jail but DFCS officials said
she is doing administrative duties, not working with child protective cases.

In May, a Fayette Juvenile Court judge granted Clark custody of her
daughters after ruling the girls were deprived under the law. The
hearing was closed to the public and a full explanation of what was
meant by "deprived" was never given.





CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...


--
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On Jun 21, 9:12 am, Subway Groper wrote:
0:-] wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:28:23 -0400, Subway Groper
wrote:

0:-] wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:15:51 -0700, fx wrote:

.... surly Greg, in all fairness, considering the other times he's
spoken out for parents who beat and call it spanking, will come to the
defense of this parent, won't he?
Spanking is legal in Georgia -

Spanking is legal in all states. There is an interpretation in
Minnesota statute the could be taken as limiting spanking, but you
haven't made your point.

there is no 'limit' on the number of
wacks, just the outcome. As long as the spanking causes no physical injury.

Same as everywhere. You think hitting a child with a leather belt
won't leave injuries?

I see no mention of injury,

Lack of evidence does not prove the negative. She used a leather belt.
34 times, on a child in her underwear.

What are the chances there were no injuries, do you think?

It's impossible to say - but a physical injury would be like a broken
bone, or laceration requiring stitches - brusing is quite legal -- it
must be a REAL injury.



and her cronies gave her the rest of her
kids back, so chances are she'll get a big -- NOT GUILTY on this spanking.

They did?

"After her arrest, the girls, 8, 6, 5, and 3, went back to live with
their father."

It was a judge, not her cronies, and it was all the children, not "the
rest." Apparently they were in more serious risks with the father.

Don't be silly - she's an asst. Director, chances are she's barbequed
with this judge. In any event, I'm sure they are on a 'first name' basis.



"In May, a Fayette Juvenile Court judge granted Clark custody of her
daughters after ruling the girls were deprived under the law. The
hearing was closed to the public and a full explanation of what was
meant by "deprived" was never given.

And this is right up Greg's alley, for you see, he and his cronies
like to argue that it's the Right of the Child not to be removed from
abusive parents, least he or she not be there for the next adult
parental temper tantrum.

You're silly. You make stuff up and attribute it to folks. I've NEVER
seen ANYONE here argue for a child to stay in an abusive situation. It's
just that your definition of 'abuse' includes anything YOU feel is abuse.

Yes folks have argued that children should not be removed for spanking -
but then again, resonable folk [and legislatures in 50 states] don't
see spanking as abuse. Your milage may vary.



So Greg would cheer the return of these children, if he will speak up
and express his usual bias on such matters.

You know nothing of what Mr. Hanson would 'cheer'. Don't be so silly. lol



But then, I wouldn't want to speak for him. Just urging him to speak
for himself, like he just recently defended the murder of a child by
taping a pacifier to it's mouth as 'not intended," but CRIMINALIZED by
the system.

I suggest you take your considerable obsession with Greg to email.



I'm touched at how sentimental, when it comes to murderous,
incestuous, raging parents our pet group "parent and child loving,"
darling can be.

This article isn't about what your daddy did to you boy, it's about a
lady that spanked her kid. You really should seek help for your problem.

Good luck.





0:]

Or could it be he has a double standard?

Gosh, Greg, where's Fern when you need him, eh?

0:]

Fulton DFCS official charged with felony child abuse

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...2007/06/20/062...

By KATHY JEFCOATS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 06/20/07

One of Fulton County's top child welfare officials has been indicted on
child abuse charges, Fayette County Superior Court records show.

Cylenthia Clark, 38, of Atlanta, is due in court July 31 for arraignment
on a felony charge of first degree child cruelty. She is assistant
director of the Fulton Department of Family and Children's Services.

The June 5 indictment alleges Clark beat her oldest child, an 8-year-old
girl, 34 times with a leather belt after ordering her to strip to her
underwear.

Clark has denied being abusive but said she spanked the girl as
punishment for fighting a teacher in an after-school program.

Clark and her husband, Chicago natives, are divorcing and she was living
in Fayetteville with their four daughters. After her arrest, the girls,
8, 6, 5, and 3, went back to live with their father. Clark returned to
her job after bonding out of the Fayette jail but DFCS officials said
she is doing administrative duties, not working with child protective cases.

In May, a Fayette Juvenile Court judge granted Clark custody of her
daughters after ruling the girls were deprived under the law. The
hearing was closed to the public and a full explanation of what was
meant by "deprived" was never given.

CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...

--
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Ah, right. And we are supposed to take anything serious from a poster
who calls himself Subway Groper?

Throw yourself on the 3rd rail at once!!!!

Firemonkey

0:-] wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:12:39 -0400, Subway Groper
wrote:

0:-] wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:28:23 -0400, Subway Groper
wrote:

0:-] wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:15:51 -0700, fx wrote:

.... surly Greg, in all fairness, considering the other times he's
spoken out for parents who beat and call it spanking, will come to the
defense of this parent, won't he?
Spanking is legal in Georgia -
Spanking is legal in all states. There is an interpretation in
Minnesota statute the could be taken as limiting spanking, but you
haven't made your point.

there is no 'limit' on the number of
wacks, just the outcome. As long as the spanking causes no physical injury.
Same as everywhere. You think hitting a child with a leather belt
won't leave injuries?

I see no mention of injury,
Lack of evidence does not prove the negative. She used a leather belt.
34 times, on a child in her underwear.

What are the chances there were no injuries, do you think?
It's impossible to say - but a physical injury would be like a broken
bone, or laceration requiring stitches - brusing is quite legal -- it
must be a REAL injury.

Tell you what, ask two professions if bruising is an "injury." A
judge, and a doctor.

No need to - GA statutes specifically allow brusing.



See what they tell you.
and her cronies gave her the rest of her
kids back, so chances are she'll get a big -- NOT GUILTY on this spanking.
They did?

"After her arrest, the girls, 8, 6, 5, and 3, went back to live with
their father."

It was a judge, not her cronies, and it was all the children, not "the
rest." Apparently they were in more serious risks with the father.
Don't be silly - she's an asst. Director, chances are she's barbequed
with this judge. In any event, I'm sure they are on a 'first name' basis.

Chances are she and the judge are not buddies, but I'm NOT sure.

How come you are?

Cause I never met even a caseworker who wasn't on first name basis with
Family Court judge. This spanker was an asst. director.


"In May, a Fayette Juvenile Court judge granted Clark custody of her
daughters after ruling the girls were deprived under the law. The
hearing was closed to the public and a full explanation of what was
meant by "deprived" was never given.

And this is right up Greg's alley, for you see, he and his cronies
like to argue that it's the Right of the Child not to be removed from
abusive parents, least he or she not be there for the next adult
parental temper tantrum.
You're silly.

Not usually on matters of someone beating a child with a belt.

You make stuff up and attribute it to folks.

Nope. You are confusing me with Greg and Ken.

I've NEVER
seen ANYONE here argue for a child to stay in an abusive situation.

You are discussing Greg?

On the contrary. You need to read his posts, and if you have already,
you are obviously delusional.

Like I said, it's useless because you define abuse as anything you don't
like -- you've already made it clear hundreds of times a month,
thousands of times a year for 5-6 years now that you believe Greg abused
his stepchild --

You've even gone as far as to falsely accuse him of raping children.

It's your sick obsession that is obviously delusional -- that and the
fact you imagine yourself to be 'above' all others.



It's
just that your definition of 'abuse' includes anything YOU feel is abuse.

Well, he just defended someone against their "unintended outcome" that
resulted in the death of a child by asphyxiation from a taped on
pacifier. He's defended another poster that was concerned entirely for
the constitutional rights of the perp that WILLINGLY ADMITTED HE'D
BEATEN CHILDREN AS HAD HIS CONGREGATION AND THEY WERE GOIGN TO
CONTINUE, DESPITE STATUTES TO THE CONTRARY.

That poster never ONCE mentioned the plight of the children and THEIR
rights, and this poster, Greg, has the same record.


Don't be silly. Greg cares a great deal for the children -- it shows
through in his posts.

You on the other hand use the children and their misfortune to attack
parents -- your main concern seems to be that 'those evil parents get
what they deserve'.

Don, what you did with that website proves how you think of the
children. Pork sausage. Stuff. Just more stuff for Don to use and
manipulate for his own sick pleasure.


Yes folks have argued that children should not be removed for spanking -

We are not discussing "spanking," here. You are being
disingenuous...lying, in fact.

You are obviously mentally ill -- bye now.


They have argued "children should not be removed," when the issue was
clearly, even by the perps own admission, they had beaten their
children.

but then again, resonable folk [and legislatures in 50 states] don't
see spanking as abuse. Your milage may vary.

I see spanking as abuse. I do not confuse spanking with beating,
however.

I'm quite aware of the laws on this issue.

If you check the posting history in both ascps, and aps, you will see
exactly what I claim.

An attempt to put words in the mouths of anti spankers, claiming they
said "spanking is beating," when no such claim was made, and
discussion of "spanking" and parent's rights to do so, when even
judges that had to rule in the parent's favor in such cases were
saddened they had to rule as they did because in fact the "spanking"
was clearly a beating.
So Greg would cheer the return of these children, if he will speak up
and express his usual bias on such matters.
You know nothing of what Mr. Hanson would 'cheer'. Don't be so silly. lol

Of course I do. He has a posting record of doing precisely that.

So does anyone else that's read his nonsense blathering.

But then, I wouldn't want to speak for him. Just urging him to speak
for himself, like he just recently defended the murder of a child by
taping a pacifier to it's mouth as 'not intended," but CRIMINALIZED by
the system.
I suggest you take your considerable obsession with Greg to email.

If you paid closer attention to reality you'd see that he discusses
child protection. That IS the group I'm posting from. Hence I'm quite
likely to respond to him.

You seem to have failed to note he responds to just about every new
thread I begin.

Hence, you are either deliberately ignorant, or you are lying.
I'm touched at how sentimental, when it comes to murderous,
incestuous, raging parents our pet group "parent and child loving,"
darling can be.
This article isn't about what your daddy did to you boy,

Mac, you need to stop and think.

it's about a
lady that spanked her kid.

And 8 year old girl, in her undies, 34 times with a belt.

You really should seek help for your problem.

You know someone that can educate Greg when I can't?

Good luck.

Yes, I'd need it, if I really though I could change Greg Hansen, or
his silly sock wearing buddies.

He has persistently ignored the plight of children with YALPs who do
considerably more to them than a "spanking," Mac.

And he lies continually. As you do, and have since your first post to
this newsgroup, Mac.

0:]




0:]


Or could it be he has a double standard?

Gosh, Greg, where's Fern when you need him, eh?

0:]

Fulton DFCS official charged with felony child abuse

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...fcsarrest.html

By KATHY JEFCOATS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 06/20/07

One of Fulton County's top child welfare officials has been indicted on
child abuse charges, Fayette County Superior Court records show.

Cylenthia Clark, 38, of Atlanta, is due in court July 31 for arraignment
on a felony charge of first degree child cruelty. She is assistant
director of the Fulton Department of Family and Children's Services.

The June 5 indictment alleges Clark beat her oldest child, an 8-year-old
girl, 34 times with a leather belt after ordering her to strip to her
underwear.

Clark has denied being abusive but said she spanked the girl as
punishment for fighting a teacher in an after-school program.

Clark and her husband, Chicago natives, are divorcing and she was living
in Fayetteville with their four daughters. After her arrest, the girls,
8, 6, 5, and 3, went back to live with their father. Clark returned to
her job after bonding out of the Fayette jail but DFCS officials said
she is doing administrative duties, not working with child protective cases.

In May, a Fayette Juvenile Court judge granted Clark custody of her
daughters after ruling the girls were deprived under the law. The
hearing was closed to the public and a full explanation of what was
meant by "deprived" was never given.





CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...


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The only thing even remotely new or interesting about this
is that a Judge ruled the kids had to be returned because
the parent was "deprived". Have you EVER heard of kids
being returned to their parents on those grounds?

Is this a special law just for caseworkers?

If (as has been said here) spanking with bruising
is completely legal in Georgia, this case might prove
something else interesting, that the agencies
proceed WITHOUT a legal basis.

Do you have any legal citations about how
to use this "deprivation" defense in court, Kane or Dan?

Does a parent have to be a caseworker to use that defense?

Can other parents use this "deprivation" defense?


On Jun 21, 12:11 pm, Subway Groper wrote:
0:-] wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:12:39 -0400, Subway Groper
wrote:

0:-] wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:28:23 -0400, Subway Groper
wrote:

0:-] wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:15:51 -0700, fx wrote:

.... surly Greg, in all fairness, considering the other times he's
spoken out for parents who beat and call it spanking, will come to the
defense of this parent, won't he?
Spanking is legal in Georgia -
Spanking is legal in all states. There is an interpretation in
Minnesota statute the could be taken as limiting spanking, but you
haven't made your point.

there is no 'limit' on the number of
wacks, just the outcome. As long as the spanking causes no physical injury.
Same as everywhere. You think hitting a child with a leather belt
won't leave injuries?

I see no mention of injury,
Lack of evidence does not prove the negative. She used a leather belt.
34 times, on a child in her underwear.

What are the chances there were no injuries, do you think?
It's impossible to say - but a physical injury would be like a broken
bone, or laceration requiring stitches - brusing is quite legal -- it
must be a REAL injury.

Tell you what, ask two professions if bruising is an "injury." A
judge, and a doctor.

No need to - GA statutes specifically allow brusing.







See what they tell you.
and her cronies gave her the rest of her
kids back, so chances are she'll get a big -- NOT GUILTY on this spanking.
They did?

"After her arrest, the girls, 8, 6, 5, and 3, went back to live with
their father."

It was a judge, not her cronies, and it was all the children, not "the
rest." Apparently they were in more serious risks with the father.
Don't be silly - she's an asst. Director, chances are she's barbequed
with this judge. In any event, I'm sure they are on a 'first name' basis.

Chances are she and the judge are not buddies, but I'm NOT sure.

How come you are?

Cause I never met even a caseworker who wasn't on first name basis with
Family Court judge. This spanker was an asst. director.







"In May, a Fayette Juvenile Court judge granted Clark custody of her
daughters after ruling the girls were deprived under the law. The
hearing was closed to the public and a full explanation of what was
meant by "deprived" was never given.

And this is right up Greg's alley, for you see, he and his cronies
like to argue that it's the Right of the Child not to be removed from
abusive parents, least he or she not be there for the next adult
parental temper tantrum.
You're silly.

Not usually on matters of someone beating a child with a belt.

You make stuff up and attribute it to folks.

Nope. You are confusing me with Greg and Ken.

I've NEVER
seen ANYONE here argue for a child to stay in an abusive situation.

You are discussing Greg?

On the contrary. You need to read his posts, and if you have already,
you are obviously delusional.

Like I said, it's useless because you define abuse as anything you don't
like -- you've already made it clear hundreds of times a month,
thousands of times a year for 5-6 years now that you believe Greg abused
his stepchild --

You've even gone as far as to falsely accuse him of raping children.

It's your sick obsession that is obviously delusional -- that and the
fact you imagine yourself to be 'above' all others.



It's
just that your definition of 'abuse' includes anything YOU feel is abuse.

Well, he just defended someone against their "unintended outcome" that
resulted in the death of a child by asphyxiation from a taped on
pacifier. He's defended another poster that was concerned entirely for
the constitutional rights of the perp that WILLINGLY ADMITTED HE'D
BEATEN CHILDREN AS HAD HIS CONGREGATION AND THEY WERE GOIGN TO
CONTINUE, DESPITE STATUTES TO THE CONTRARY.

That poster never ONCE mentioned the plight of the children and THEIR
rights, and this poster, Greg, has the same record.

Don't be silly. Greg cares a great deal for the children -- it shows
through in his posts.

You on the other hand use the children and their misfortune to attack
parents -- your main concern seems to be that 'those evil parents get
what they deserve'.

Don, what you did with that website proves how you think of the
children. Pork sausage. Stuff. Just more stuff for Don to use and
manipulate for his own sick pleasure.



Yes folks have argued that children should not be removed for spanking -

We are not discussing "spanking," here. You are being
disingenuous...lying, in fact.

You are obviously mentally ill -- bye now.





They have argued "children should not be removed," when the issue was
clearly, even by the perps own admission, they had beaten their
children.

but then again, resonable folk [and legislatures in 50 states] don't
see spanking as abuse. Your milage may vary.

I see spanking as abuse. I do not confuse spanking with beating,
however.

I'm quite aware of the laws on this issue.

If you check the posting history in both ascps, and aps, you will see
exactly what I claim.

An attempt to put words in the mouths of anti spankers, claiming they
said "spanking is beating," when no such claim was made, and
discussion of "spanking" and parent's rights to do so, when even
judges that had to rule in the parent's favor in such cases were
saddened they had to rule as they did because in fact the "spanking"
was clearly a beating.
So Greg would cheer the return of these children, if he will speak up
and express his usual bias on such matters.
You know nothing of what Mr. Hanson would 'cheer'. Don't be so silly. lol

Of course I do. He has a posting record of doing precisely that.

So does anyone else that's read his nonsense blathering.

But then, I wouldn't want to speak for him. Just urging him to speak
for himself, like he just recently defended the murder of a child by
taping a pacifier to it's mouth as 'not intended," but CRIMINALIZED by
the system.
I suggest you take your considerable obsession with Greg to email.

If you paid closer attention to reality you'd see that he discusses
child protection. That IS the group I'm posting from. Hence I'm quite
likely to respond to him.

You seem to have failed to note he responds to just about every new
thread I begin.

Hence, you are either deliberately ignorant, or you are lying.
I'm touched at how sentimental, when it comes to murderous,
incestuous, raging parents our pet group "parent and child loving,"
darling can be.
This article isn't about what your daddy did to you boy,

Mac, you need to stop and think.

it's about a
lady that spanked her kid.

And 8 year old girl, in her undies, 34 times with a belt.

You really should seek help for your problem.

You know someone that can educate Greg when I can't?

Good luck.

Yes, I'd need it, if I really though I could change Greg Hansen, or
his silly sock wearing buddies.

He has persistently ignored the plight of children with YALPs who do
considerably more to them than a "spanking," Mac.

And he lies continually. As you do, and have since your first post to
this newsgroup, Mac.

0:]

0:]

Or could it be he has a double standard?

Gosh, Greg, where's Fern when you need him, eh?

0:]

Fulton DFCS official charged with felony child abuse

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...2007/06/20/062...

By KATHY JEFCOATS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 06/20/07

One of Fulton County's top child welfare officials has been indicted on
child abuse charges, Fayette County Superior Court records show.

Cylenthia Clark, 38, of Atlanta, is due in court July 31 for arraignment
on a felony charge of first degree child cruelty. She is assistant
director of the Fulton Department of Family and Children's Services.

The June 5 indictment alleges Clark beat her oldest child, an 8-year-old
girl, 34 times with a leather belt after ordering her to strip to her
underwear.

Clark has denied being abusive but said she spanked the girl as
punishment for fighting a teacher in an after-school program.

Clark and her husband, Chicago natives, are divorcing and she was living
in Fayetteville with their four daughters. After her arrest, the girls,
8, 6, 5, and 3, went back to live with their father. Clark returned to
her job after bonding out of the Fayette jail but DFCS officials said
she is doing administrative duties, not working with child protective cases.

In May, a Fayette Juvenile Court judge granted Clark custody of her
daughters after ruling the girls were deprived under the law. The
hearing was closed to the public and a full explanation of what was
meant by "deprived" was never given.

CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

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