Dentist uses Nitrous Oxide?

Those are associated with very sick children.

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"dragonlady" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Dr Steve" wrote:

Personally,,,,, (this has no reflection on the case being
discussed),,,,,,
the kids I refer out and refuse to treat, is because of the parents
every
time. Difficult children (as regards to dental patients), are made that
way
by their parents. This does not take into account very young children,
and
I think I remember the child being discussed as only being 4 yrs old.
Children this young needing extensive treatment often need to go the
hospital. And, dental decay in children this small is the fault of the
parents EVERY time. Children cannot be held responsible for their own
dental home care until 5-7 years of age. Even at those ages, they HAVE
to
be monitored every brushing session by a parent. Then, we can discuss
the
habits of many parent of putting kids to sleep with bottles (or the
breast),
giving kids milk or drinks right before bed, various snacks, etc.

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I had understood that there were some medicines and some medical
conditions that could well result in having serious dental problems.
That can't possibly be the parents' fault.

meh
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Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

In misc.kids Dr Steve wrote:
Those are associated with very sick children.

The child in question had an episode just before he turned three in which
his intestines developed several small ruptures resulting in peritonitis
and an ileus. Emergency surgery and aggressive antibiotics saved his
life, but during his hospitalization I didn't think to brush his
teeth. (Neither did his 14 doctors or 20 nurses.) I don't even know how I
would have brushed his teeth around his GI tube.

Other than that, he has had his teeth brushed by a parent every day since
before he GOT teeth. He also gets regular dental care, fluoride pills and
flouride treatment at the dentist. His siblings are 10 and 12 and have
one cavity between them.

He rarely eats candy, and doesn't drink soda or take a bottle, to bed or
otherwise.

This child showing up with 5 cavities all at once (about a year after his
critical episode, just when he was turning 4) seems to me to be related to
something other than parental neglect.

I might just be fooling myself, though. The dentist certainly didn't
believe me.

Wendy

Wendy Marsden wrote:

I might just be fooling myself, though. The dentist certainly didn't
believe me.

Frankly, I just think it's really unnecessary of the dentist to blame you
for this.

They say that antibiotics during certain points of pregnancy can result in
really weak enamal in baby teeth. Who knows what other factors might also
come into play in tooth development? Genetics, for one thing.

Gabe had five cavities before he was *two*! He does not eat fruit or candy.
At that point, he had had juice and soda fewer times than I can count on one
hand, and those were incidents where he had a couple sips as a treat. He has
never had a bottle. I have always brushed his teeth carefully. I explained
all this to his pediodontist, who has never indicated to me that he felt I
had been inattentive to his dental needs. In fact, he mentioned that there
are sometimes factors we can't control and praised me for how clean Gabe's
teeth are.

I have really good teeth, but bad teeth run in my family, and I think in my
late DH's family. In fact, I didn't even think of it until a few weeks ago,
but I remember being appalled to notice that DH's sister's three-year-old
had several blackened, obviously severely decaying teeth. So I'm sure that
there are bad-enamel genes in that family, too.

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iphigenia
www.tristyn.net
"i have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.
i do not think that they will sing to me."

Wendy Marsden wrote:

The child in question had an episode just before he turned three in which
his intestines developed several small ruptures resulting in peritonitis
and an ileus. Emergency surgery and aggressive antibiotics saved his
life, but during his hospitalization I didn't think to brush his
teeth. (Neither did his 14 doctors or 20 nurses.) I don't even know how I
would have brushed his teeth around his GI tube.

Did you ever check back with the doctor in charge if this
episode could have caused the dental problems now? It might
be helpful in finding more specialized care for your son,
and he may even be able to refer you to someone who does
take you serious.

The dentist is right in saying that many parents will claim
that their children receive good dental care even when it's
not the case. But your situation clearly is exceptional, and
should be treated that way.

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guardian of DH
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. wrote in message . ..
He could be a very intelligent kid ,,, after all who LIKES the
dentist?

My stepson likes his pediatric dentist, and asks when he gets to go
back. The guy has a wonderful sense of humor.

Cathy Weeks
Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01

"Dr Steve" wrote in message . com...
Personally,,,,, (this has no reflection on the case being discussed),,,,,,
the kids I refer out and refuse to treat, is because of the parents every
time. Difficult children (as regards to dental patients), are made that way
by their parents.

In general, I agree. My father, after he got sick of hear parents in
the waiting room say to their misbehaving children "if you don't be
good, I'm going to have Dr. Byland pull one of your teeth," he
actually stops work, goes out to the waiting room, and tells the
parent off for saying such a stupid thing. A) it's a lie, B) Dr.
Byland wouldn't remove a good tooth without good reason and C) PLEASE
DON'T SCARE THE CHILDREN!!!

However, it's not always the case that the parents are at fault in
creating fearful kids.

When my husband was 4 or thereabouts, he need some sort of oral
surgery. He was given a general anesthetic, but it didn't "take", and
he was immobilized by it, but fully aware. When he "woke" up, he told
the dentist that it had hurt, and the dentist didn't believe him, so
my husband proceded to tell the dentist exactly what he had done, and
the dentist, to his credit was horrified. My husband remembers it to
this day, nearly 30 years later. And he takes a valium before seeing
the dentist. He's getting better though, and my father has helped in
that regard - in general, skillful dentistry really doesn't hurt.

Cathy Weeks
Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01

..... and some kids are so great ... better than their parents ever
are!

This is how the world works ......... if it is a problem tooth or
problem patient, get to a specialist who is an expert at solving THAT
problem.


Joel

On 12 Sep 2003 15:22:14 -0700, (Cathy Weeks)
wrote:

Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. wrote in message . ..
He could be a very intelligent kid ,,, after all who LIKES the
dentist?

My stepson likes his pediatric dentist, and asks when he gets to go
back. The guy has a wonderful sense of humor.

Cathy Weeks
Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01

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Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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Good advice Kathy!

It is ALWAYS best to avoid trauma at all costs! 30 years later the
TRAUMATIZED will not go to the dentist!


Joel

On 12 Sep 2003 09:03:45 -0700, (Cathy Weeks)
wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote in message . ..
Karen DeMent writes:

Sorry but I think your child may be spoiled and knows how
to get your attention and avoid situations he doesn't
enjoy. While he may have been anxious, you could have
helped more than you did. Nitrous didn't have anything
to do with this incident.

Agreed. These are not the effects of nitrous oxide. And Valium would
be a step in the wrong direction.

Disagreed. They MIGHT be (however unlikely) the effects in NO. And
though I think avoiding drugs when possible is a good idea, why is
Valium a bad idea? If the child is truely scared, it could prevent
further fear. I'm not sure it *is* the right choice (maybe is, maybe
isn't) but it's for her, and a competent pediatric dentist to decide.

As the daughter of dentists, and the wife of a man who has had a
life-long dental phobia due to horrible frightening experiences when
he was about the OP's son's age, I can say that trying to avoid a
dental phobia, especially when one looks about to start, is a really,
really good idea.

And a good pediatric dentist knows how to treat the little ones
without scaring them.

Cathy Weeks
Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01

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Joel M. Eichen, .
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:24:30 GMT, "Dr Steve" wrote:

Personally,,,,, (this has no reflection on the case being discussed),,,,,,
the kids I refer out and refuse to treat, is because of the parents every
time.

We agree. It is often a constellation of events and attitudes that
PREVAIL in that family ~ of course I cannot change that, I am simply
reporting it.

Joel

Difficult children (as regards to dental patients), are made that way
by their parents. This does not take into account very young children, and
I think I remember the child being discussed as only being 4 yrs old.
Children this young needing extensive treatment often need to go the
hospital. And, dental decay in children this small is the fault of the
parents EVERY time. Children cannot be held responsible for their own
dental home care until 5-7 years of age. Even at those ages, they HAVE to
be monitored every brushing session by a parent. Then, we can discuss the
habits of many parent of putting kids to sleep with bottles (or the breast),
giving kids milk or drinks right before bed, various snacks, etc.

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Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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Some teeth rot due to Design Defects by the Master Designer .......


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CRACK!!!! (Lightning!!)


ME: "Oh sorry, I did not mean to be disrespectful!"


Joel


On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:11:55 GMT, Wendy Marsden wrote:

In misc.kids Dr Steve wrote:
Those are associated with very sick children.

The child in question had an episode just before he turned three in which
his intestines developed several small ruptures resulting in peritonitis
and an ileus. Emergency surgery and aggressive antibiotics saved his
life, but during his hospitalization I didn't think to brush his
teeth. (Neither did his 14 doctors or 20 nurses.) I don't even know how I
would have brushed his teeth around his GI tube.

Other than that, he has had his teeth brushed by a parent every day since
before he GOT teeth. He also gets regular dental care, fluoride pills and
flouride treatment at the dentist. His siblings are 10 and 12 and have
one cavity between them.

He rarely eats candy, and doesn't drink soda or take a bottle, to bed or
otherwise.

This child showing up with 5 cavities all at once (about a year after his
critical episode, just when he was turning 4) seems to me to be related to
something other than parental neglect.

I might just be fooling myself, though. The dentist certainly didn't
believe me.

Wendy

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Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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