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Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?
"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message ... "Peter Moran" pmoranATbordernet.com.au wrote: "Mark Probert" wrote in message ... john wrote: http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.p...icle&sid= 259 Christine Maggiore and her husband, Robin Scovill, are challenging the Los Angeles County Coroner's finding that their three-year-old daughter Eliza Jane Scovill died from Aids-related pneumonia. We interview pathologist Dr. Mohammed al-Bayati who has just authored a report revealing that the child died of anaphylactic reaction to a prescribed antibiotic, and we speak also Dr. Andrew Maniotis of the University Illinois at Chicago. For excellent analysis of al-Bayati's "work" see: http://tinyurl.com/dam9v especially this comment by a real pathologist: A Google search reveals that he is a "pathologist-for-hire", figuring in many court cases where "alternative" science can get people off. He was involved in the Yurko case. Peter Moran Perhaps you should make it clear, Peter, that you are talking about al-Bayati, not the person referred to by the immediately-preceding words "real pathologist". It was al-Bayati who came up with the idea that the baby slaughtered by Alan Yurko had really been killed by the doctor in the ER. Yes. Poor expression on my part. Peter Moran -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?
"JanD" wrote in message news:_sOkf.596973$x96.536996@attbi_s72... "Robert" wrote in message ... "JanD" wrote in message Education And Board Certifications I. Human Pathology, Toxicology, Immunology, and Biochmestry Ph.D. 1989 Comparative Pathology. University of California Davis, Davis, This is not a medical Pathologist able to practice in any hospital. There is no board certification in Clinical or anatomic pathology. These individuals are not licensed to perform necropsies. This is an academic degree and not one licensed to practice medicine. California. Subject of studies: Human pathology, toxicology, pharmacology, medical immunology, medical biochemistry, analytical toxicology, environmental toxicology, and experimental toxicology. Dissertation: Toxicokinetics and Toxicity of Vanadate He is a toxicologist and spare me of the academic course work. DABT 1994 Diplomate, American Board of Toxicology He is a toxicologist II. Veterinary Pathology, Toxicology, Immunology, and Endocrinology He is not even a veterinary pathologist. He is not an MD. He is not allowed to perform one single autopsy. Prove it. You want me to prove he is not an MD or is not board certified in clinical pathology or anatomical pathology? He has published on toxicology? And renders an opinion on pneumonia? he cites the work of others and has no primary research or independent work on the area of expertise he renders judgment on as far as I can tell. Why not have Dr Henry Lee look into it as he isn't a pathologist either? Dr Lee can read books and render his opinion. |
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Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?
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"HCN" wrote in message ... "john" wrote in message ... http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.p...icle&sid= 259 Christine Maggiore and her husband, Robin Scovill, are challenging the Los Angeles County Coroner's finding that their three-year-old daughter Eliza Jane Scovill died from Aids-related pneumonia. We interview pathologist Dr. Mohammed al-Bayati WRONG... he is not a medical pathologist: http://catallarchy.net/blog/wp-conte...t_on_Eliza.pdf Nicholas J Bennett MB/Ph.D claims to have a medical degree, I don't see MD behind his name. Because, and I will say this v e r y s l o w l y, he got his medical degree in Britain. See where it says "MB"? That means "Bachelor of Medicine". he must be in hiding, a search turns up VERY little. What's more, the fact that HCN, posted the pdf, most likely means this Nicholas J Bennett most likely is a *paid off* witch hunter. A search under his name with the MB/Ph.D turns up very little. WHY would any doctor, use MB and NOT MD behind his name? Remember when Sandra Cabot was lying about having "MD" when she has "MB,BS"? A doctor would use "MB" after his name and not "MD" if the degree-granting institution awarded him "MB". To put "MD" would be dishonest. I can put "BA" after my name because that is the degree I was awarded by Macquarie University. If I had been to Harvard I would put "AB". You can't get a PhD from Oxford, but you can get D.Phil. Comments on Al-Bayati Report from Dr. Harold E. Buttram, MD, FAAEM One expert to comment is Dr. Harold E. Buttram, MD, FAAEM (Fellow of the American Academy of Emergency Medicine). He reviewed Al-Bayati's report and wrote this letter in response: October 30th 2005 For the past several years I have had the privilege of becoming familiar with the work of Dr. Mohammed Ali Al-Bayati through mutually shared cases involving alleged parental child abuse in the form of shaken baby syndrome (SBS). In these cases, each of us wrote medical reports defending parents whom we believed were falsely accused. Yes, we know that Buttram said that Alan Yurko didn't kill the baby he killed. Why should this case be any different? snip bull**** -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?
"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message ... "Peter Moran" pmoranATbordernet.com.au wrote: "Mark Probert" wrote in message ... john wrote: http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.p...icle&sid= 259 Christine Maggiore and her husband, Robin Scovill, are challenging the Los Angeles County Coroner's finding that their three-year-old daughter Eliza Jane Scovill died from Aids-related pneumonia. We interview pathologist Dr. Mohammed al-Bayati who has just authored a report revealing that the child died of anaphylactic reaction to a prescribed antibiotic, and we speak also Dr. Andrew Maniotis of the University Illinois at Chicago. For excellent analysis of al-Bayati's "work" see: http://tinyurl.com/dam9v especially this comment by a real pathologist: A Google search reveals that he is a "pathologist-for-hire", figuring in many court cases where "alternative" science can get people off. He was involved in the Yurko case. Peter Moran Perhaps you should make it clear, Peter, that you are talking about al-Bayati, not the person referred to by the immediately-preceding words "real pathologist". Perhaps he could tell us just *where* this search revealed the above? It was al-Bayati who came up with the idea that the baby slaughtered by Alan Yurko had really been killed by the doctor in the ER. It was YOU who uses the word *slaughtered*, and YOU and others who have continued to judge. There were literally hundreds of health-care professionals who have made judgements otherwise. The toxicological causes of baby Yurko's death was vaccine-and-medication induced, an overload of drugs and antibiotics. The child have been given high doses of sodium bicarbonate and heparin, which cause cardiac arrest and internal bleeding and produce symptoms similar to SBS. -- Peter Bowditch |
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Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?
"JanD" wrote in message , MD, FAAEM One expert to comment is Dr. Harold E. Buttram, MD, FAAEM (Fellow of the American Academy of Emergency Medicine). He reviewed Al-Bayati's report and wrote this letter in response: A doctor of emergency medicine is not a board certified pathologist. They don't even know which end of the microscope to look into. There is a working clinical diagnosis which can change with time or in the case of death a more definitive diagnosis is made based on autopsy findings most of the time. The gold standard is the autopsy. One does not have to guess what's in the brain as most ER doctors are forced to do. All they have to do in pathology is cut open the brain and see for themselves. If it's definitive then it's definitive and you don't need an ER doctor commenting on the differential diagnosis. That's a game they play on the NEJM by getting five or so doctors and having them go through the differential diagnosis and making guesses and then they go to the pathologist for the final say. What in the world does shaking a baby have to do with pneumonia? Is that his expertise? |
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Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?
"Robert" wrote in message ... "JanD" wrote in message news:_sOkf.596973$x96.536996@attbi_s72... "Robert" wrote in message ... "JanD" wrote in message Education And Board Certifications I. Human Pathology, Toxicology, Immunology, and Biochmestry Ph.D. 1989 Comparative Pathology. University of California Davis, Davis, This is not a medical Pathologist able to practice in any hospital. There is no board certification in Clinical or anatomic pathology. These individuals are not licensed to perform necropsies. This is an academic degree and not one licensed to practice medicine. California. Subject of studies: Human pathology, toxicology, pharmacology, medical immunology, medical biochemistry, analytical toxicology, environmental toxicology, and experimental toxicology. Dissertation: Toxicokinetics and Toxicity of Vanadate He is a toxicologist and spare me of the academic course work. DABT 1994 Diplomate, American Board of Toxicology He is a toxicologist II. Veterinary Pathology, Toxicology, Immunology, and Endocrinology He is not even a veterinary pathologist. He is not an MD. He is not allowed to perform one single autopsy. Prove it. You want me to prove he is not an MD or is not board certified in clinical pathology or anatomical pathology? He has published on toxicology? And renders an opinion on pneumonia? he cites the work of others and has no primary research or independent work on the area of expertise he renders judgment on as far as I can tell. Why not have Dr Henry Lee look into it as he isn't a pathologist either? Dr Lee can read books and render his opinion. Dr. Al-Bayati received a MVSc in Veterinary Pathology in 1978 from the University of Cairo, Egypt and a BVMS in Veterinary Sciences in 1975 from the University of Baghdad, Iraq. Dr. Al-Bayati has served as principal investigator (PI), co-principal investigator (Co-PI), and investigator in many funded research grants and contracts. The following is a list of previously funded projects: a.. Project Title: Quantitative Evaluation of Serum Chemistry, Hematology and Pathological Parameters in Dog, Sheep, and Pig Exposed To Whole Body Irradiation. Agency: AMGEN Pharmaceutical Inc. Thousand Oaks, CA 91320. Duration: 30 months (1993-1995); Amount: $254,778; Functions: PI, toxicologist, and pathologist. b.. Project Title: Improved Models of Risk for Exposure to Organic Toxicant and Carcinogens. Agency: United States Environmental Protection Agency. Duration: 48 months (1990-1995); Amount: $980,000; Functions: Co-PI, toxicologist, and pathologist. c.. Project Title: Improved Models of Risk for Exposure to Organic Toxicant. Agency: United States Environmental Protection Agency; Duration: 36 months (1987-1990); Amount: $240,000; Functions: Co-PI, toxicologist, and pathologist. d.. Project Title: Dermal Absorption of Methanol and Gasoline/Methanol Mixtures. Agency: California Air Resources Board. Duration: 18 months (7/90-12/91); Amount: $84,000; Functions: Co-PI, toxicologist, and pathologist. e.. Project Title: Toxicity of the Inhaled Dimethylselenide in Adult Rat. Agency: University of California, Riverside. Duration: 12 months (07/87-07/88); Amount: $70,000; Functions: Co-PI, toxicologist, and pathologist. f.. Project Title: Inhalation Uptake of Xenobiotic Vapors in People. Agency: California Air Resources Board; Contract No. A5-155-33. Duration: 18 months (1986-1987); Amount: $150,000; Functions: Investigator, toxicologist, and pathologist. g.. Project Title: Effects of Airborne Particulate Matter. Agency: California Air Resources Board; Contract No. A4-133-33. Duration: 24 months (1985-1987); Amount: $250,000; Functions: Investigator, toxicologist, and pathologist. h.. Project Title: Gastrointestinal Tract Uptake of Benzene in Drinking Water, and Consequent Tissue and Fetal Retention. Agency: Toxic Substance Research and Teaching Program, University of California, Davis. Function: 12 months (1986-1987); Amount: $50,000; Functions: Co-PI, toxicologist, and pathologist. i.. Project Title: Inhalation Uptake of Xenobiotic Vapors at Trace Levels. Agency: California Air Resources Board; Contract No. A3-132-33. Duration: 18 months (1984-1986); Amount: $140,000; Functions: Investigator, toxicologist, and pathologist. j.. Project Title: Toxicity and Toxicokinetics of Vanadium in Rodents. Agency: United States Department of Energy. Duration: 72 months (1981-1987); Functions: Co-PI, toxicologist, and pathologist. k.. Project Title: Studies of Biological Behavior of Pu-241 and Am-241 in Rat, Dog, and Primate. Agency: United States Department of Energy. Duration: 72 months (1980-1986); Functions: Investigator, toxicologist, and pathologist. l.. Project Title: Respiratory Tract Deposition of Inhaled Aerosols in Small Rodents. Agency: United States Environmental Protection Agency. Duration: 60 months (1980-1985); Amount: $500,000; Functions: Investigator, toxicologist, and pathologist. Dr. Al-Bayati holds U.S. Patent number 5,686,237 dated November 11, 1997 for Use of biomarkers in saliva to evaluate the toxicity of agents and the functions of tissues in both biomedical and environmental applications. |
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JanD wrote: snip pointless repetition Repeating his qualifications won't make them relevant to the area he's making judgements in. BTW, your howler about an MB not being a doctor sort of makes you incompetent to judge his qualifications in any case: "Nicholas J Bennett MB/Ph.D claims to have a medical degree, I don't see MD behind his name. he must be in hiding, a search turns up VERY little. What's more, the fact that HCN, posted the pdf, most likely means this Nicholas J Bennett most likely is a *paid off* witch hunter. A search under his name with the MB/Ph.D turns up very little. WHY would any doctor, use MB and NOT MD behind his name?" Bless; thanks for the giggle. Cathy And: http://oracknows.blogspot.com/2005/1...-skeptics.html |
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Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?
JanD wrote: "HCN" wrote in message ... "john" wrote in message ... http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.p...icle&sid= 259 Christine Maggiore and her husband, Robin Scovill, are challenging the Los Angeles County Coroner's finding that their three-year-old daughter Eliza Jane Scovill died from Aids-related pneumonia. We interview pathologist Dr. Mohammed al-Bayati WRONG... he is not a medical pathologist: http://catallarchy.net/blog/wp-conte...t_on_Eliza.pdf Nicholas J Bennett MB/Ph.D claims to have a medical degree, I don't see MD behind his name. LOL he must be in hiding, a search turns up VERY little. What's more, the fact that HCN, posted the pdf, most likely means this Nicholas J Bennett most likely is a *paid off* witch hunter. A search under his name with the MB/Ph.D turns up very little. WHY would any doctor, use MB and NOT MD behind his name? LOLouder! Comments on Al-Bayati Report from Dr. Harold E. Buttram, MD, FAAEM One expert to comment is Dr. Harold E. Buttram, MD, FAAEM (Fellow of the American Academy of Emergency Medicine). He reviewed Al-Bayati's report and wrote this letter in response: October 30th 2005 For the past several years I have had the privilege of becoming familiar with the work of Dr. Mohammed Ali Al-Bayati through mutually shared cases involving alleged parental child abuse in the form of shaken baby syndrome (SBS). In these cases, each of us wrote medical reports defending parents whom we believed were falsely accused. Regarding my own background, in the past six years I have written approximately 80 medical reports in defense of parents whom I believed to have been falsely accused of violent physical child abuse, largely involving charges of SBS. With few exceptions in these cases, I have observed a troubling pattern of abandonment of the usual thoroughness one finds in medical centers once suspicions of SBS were raised. In most cases that I have reviewed, in my opinion, there have been varying degrees of negligence in working through differential diagnoses, sometimes missing the most obvious of alternate non-traumatic causes. In the present case of the autopsy report on Eliza Jane Scovill, in my opinion, there is a similar pattern; that is, diagnostic assumptions have been made based on superficial evaluation with little if any attempt to investigate other possible causes of the child's three-week illness culminating in death. Regarding Dr. Al-Bayati, I consider him to be a master craftsman in a broad field of medical expertise. His workups are exhaustive and meticulous, yet plainly written so as to be accessible to reasonably educated non-medical people. He makes no statements or claims that he does not document in the medical literature. In the case of Eliza Jane Scovill, I first reviewed the autopsy report, which did in fact give rise to personal concerns and doubts. However, after going through Dr. Al-Bayati's report point-by-point, he put all doubts to rest. There is no question in my mind that his report accurately describes the true causes in the death of Eliza Jane Scovill. Harold E Buttram, MD, FAAEM Quakertown, PA, USA Comments from Dr. Andrew Maniotis Dr. Maniotis is a Professor of Pathology and Program Director in the Cell and Developmental Biology of Cancer at the University of Illinois at Chicago. http://groups.msn.com/AliveandWellsu...sorypanel.msnw Dr. Andrew Maniotis (and al-Bayati) are also members of the advisory board of Christine Maggiore's group, Alive and Well. November 21st 2005 Dear Ms. Maggio I read Dr. Al-Bayati's report this weekend with a magnifying lens. I analyze many similar reports in the course of a single week, as I am a Professor of Pathology at UIC in the heart of Chicago, at one of the nation's largest medical schools. What I can say about the quality of the report - its thoroughness, insights, the examples chosen to present as differential diagnosis - is that it is perhaps one of the most thorough, if not the most thorough, and well-studied investigations I have ever seen. If only more pathologists could study Dr. Al-Bayati's logical and scientific methodology more carefully, there would be little need for inquests, malpractice, fraud, and certainly less medical error in autopsies, diagnosis, treatment, or critical care practices. I would only emphasize something in the report that Dr. Al-Bayati developed quite adequately himself from a technical standpoint by his stating and showing how the independent neuroconsultant didn't perform the proper controls for the p24 staining of the microglia and neurons. It should not escape the attention of the reader, especially those readers not familiar with the technicalities of the language of these kinds of reports, that the detection of the p24 antigen is not in any way diagnostic of the presence of HIV, or any other virus or pathogenic state that I am aware of. Positive staining for p24 in this case, as in all cases in the published literature, is without scientific basis since positive staining can be found also in normal tissues and contexts, as Dr. Al-Bayati suggests by pointing out that the proper p24 controls were not performed in the LA coroner's report. I wish you the very best, and hope with all of my being that this horrible state affairs that you and your family have been subjected to, due to the incompetent and mindless analysis done by the original LA coroner and their consultant, ends as soon as possible. I state unequivocally that Dr. Al-Bayati's analysis and report represent the state of the art in terms of methodology, completeness, and accuracy, and should be presented in the textbooks as models of how to do a differential diagnosis. Andrew Maniotis, PhD. Program Director in the Cell and Developmental Biology of Cancer, 3370 Molecular Biology Research Building, Department of Pathology, Anatomy and Cell Biology, and Bioengineering, 1819 West Polk Street, Room 446, (MC 847) University of Illinois at Chicago, Chicago, IL 60612, USA who has just authored a report revealing that the child died of anaphylactic reaction to a prescribed antibiotic, and we speak also Dr. Andrew Maniotis of the University Illinois at Chicago. |
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"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message ... "JanD" wrote: "HCN" wrote in message ... "john" wrote in message ... http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.p...icle&sid= 259 Christine Maggiore and her husband, Robin Scovill, are challenging the Los Angeles County Coroner's finding that their three-year-old daughter Eliza Jane Scovill died from Aids-related pneumonia. We interview pathologist Dr. Mohammed al-Bayati WRONG... he is not a medical pathologist: http://catallarchy.net/blog/wp-conte...t_on_Eliza.pdf Nicholas J Bennett MB/Ph.D claims to have a medical degree, I don't see MD behind his name. Because, and I will say this v e r y s l o w l y, he got his medical degree in Britain. See where it says "MB"? That means "Bachelor of Medicine". he must be in hiding, a search turns up VERY little. What's more, the fact that HCN, posted the pdf, most likely means this Nicholas J Bennett most likely is a *paid off* witch hunter. A search under his name with the MB/Ph.D turns up very little. WHY would any doctor, use MB and NOT MD behind his name? Remember when Sandra Cabot was lying about having "MD" when she has "MB,BS"? NO, I remember, YOU lying and saying she lied. YOU LIAR. You also LIED about others as well. As in Dr. Burzynski. A doctor would use "MB" after his name and not "MD" if the degree-granting institution awarded him "MB". To put "MD" would be dishonest. I can put "BA" after my name because that is the degree I was awarded by Macquarie University. If I had been to Harvard I would put "AB". You can't get a PhD from Oxford, but you can get D.Phil. Comments on Al-Bayati Report from Dr. Harold E. Buttram, MD, FAAEM One expert to comment is Dr. Harold E. Buttram, MD, FAAEM (Fellow of the American Academy of Emergency Medicine). He reviewed Al-Bayati's report and wrote this letter in response: October 30th 2005 For the past several years I have had the privilege of becoming familiar with the work of Dr. Mohammed Ali Al-Bayati through mutually shared cases involving alleged parental child abuse in the form of shaken baby syndrome (SBS). In these cases, each of us wrote medical reports defending parents whom we believed were falsely accused. Yes, we know that Buttram said that Alan Yurko didn't kill the baby he killed. Why should this case be any different? snip bull**** -- Peter Bowditch [snip proven LYING websites] Which this PROVEN LIAR is speaking of lying. I repeat, He must be hiding, a search shows VERY little. Resto Regarding my own background, in the past six years I have written approximately 80 medical reports in defense of parents whom I believed to have been falsely accused of violent physical child abuse, largely involving charges of SBS. With few exceptions in these cases, I have observed a troubling pattern of abandonment of the usual thoroughness one finds in medical centers once suspicions of SBS were raised. In most cases that I have reviewed, in my opinion, there have been varying degrees of negligence in working through differential diagnoses, sometimes missing the most obvious of alternate non-traumatic causes. In the present case of the autopsy report on Eliza Jane Scovill, in my opinion, there is a similar pattern; that is, diagnostic assumptions have been made based on superficial evaluation with little if any attempt to investigate other possible causes of the child's three-week illness culminating in death. Regarding Dr. Al-Bayati, I consider him to be a master craftsman in a broad field of medical expertise. His workups are exhaustive and meticulous, yet plainly written so as to be accessible to reasonably educated non-medical people. He makes no statements or claims that he does not document in the medical literature. In the case of Eliza Jane Scovill, I first reviewed the autopsy report, which did in fact give rise to personal concerns and doubts. However, after going through Dr. Al-Bayati's report point-by-point, he put all doubts to rest. There is no question in my mind that his report accurately describes the true causes in the death of Eliza Jane Scovill. Harold E Buttram, MD, FAAEM Quakertown, PA, USA Comments from Dr. Andrew Maniotis Dr. Maniotis is a Professor of Pathology and Program Director in the Cell and Developmental Biology of Cancer at the University of Illinois at Chicago. November 21st 2005 Dear Ms. Maggio I read Dr. Al-Bayati's report this weekend with a magnifying lens. I analyze many similar reports in the course of a single week, as I am a Professor of Pathology at UIC in the heart of Chicago, at one of the nation's largest medical schools. What I can say about the quality of the report - its thoroughness, insights, the examples chosen to present as differential diagnosis - is that it is perhaps one of the most thorough, if not the most thorough, and well-studied investigations I have ever seen. If only more pathologists could study Dr. Al-Bayati's logical and scientific methodology more carefully, there would be little need for inquests, malpractice, fraud, and certainly less medical error in autopsies, diagnosis, treatment, or critical care practices. I would only emphasize something in the report that Dr. Al-Bayati developed quite adequately himself from a technical standpoint by his stating and showing how the independent neuroconsultant didn't perform the proper controls for the p24 staining of the microglia and neurons. It should not escape the attention of the reader, especially those readers not familiar with the technicalities of the language of these kinds of reports, that the detection of the p24 antigen is not in any way diagnostic of the presence of HIV, or any other virus or pathogenic state that I am aware of. Positive staining for p24 in this case, as in all cases in the published literature, is without scientific basis since positive staining can be found also in normal tissues and contexts, as Dr. Al-Bayati suggests by pointing out that the proper p24 controls were not performed in the LA coroner's report. I wish you the very best, and hope with all of my being that this horrible state affairs that you and your family have been subjected to, due to the incompetent and mindless analysis done by the original LA coroner and their consultant, ends as soon as possible. I state unequivocally that Dr. Al-Bayati's analysis and report represent the state of the art in terms of methodology, completeness, and accuracy, and should be presented in the textbooks as models of how to do a differential diagnosis. Andrew Maniotis, PhD. Program Director in the Cell and Developmental Biology of Cancer, 3370 Molecular Biology Research Building, Department of Pathology, Anatomy and Cell Biology, and Bioengineering, 1819 West Polk Street, Room 446, (MC 847) University of Illinois at Chicago, Chicago, IL 60612, USA who has just authored a report revealing that the child died of anaphylactic reaction to a prescribed antibiotic, and we speak also Dr. Andrew Maniotis of the University Illinois at Chicago. |
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"Robert" wrote in message ... "JanD" wrote in message , MD, FAAEM One expert to comment is Dr. Harold E. Buttram, MD, FAAEM (Fellow of the American Academy of Emergency Medicine). He reviewed Al-Bayati's report and wrote this letter in response: A doctor of emergency medicine is not a board certified pathologist. They don't even know which end of the microscope to look into. There is a working clinical diagnosis which can change with time or in the case of death a more definitive diagnosis is made based on autopsy findings most of the time. The gold standard is the autopsy. One does not have to guess what's in the brain as most ER doctors are forced to do. All they have to do in pathology is cut open the brain and see for themselves. If it's definitive then it's definitive and you don't need an ER doctor commenting on the differential diagnosis. That's a game they play on the NEJM by getting five or so doctors and having them go through the differential diagnosis and making guesses and then they go to the pathologist for the final say. What in the world does shaking a baby have to do with pneumonia? Is that his expertise? You snipped his background, Robert. Your *organized medicine* brain washing is showing. Regarding my own background, in the past six years I have written approximately 80 medical reports in defense of parents whom I believed to have been falsely accused of violent physical child abuse, largely involving charges of SBS. With few exceptions in these cases, I have observed a troubling pattern of abandonment of the usual thoroughness one finds in medical centers once suspicions of SBS were raised. In most cases that I have reviewed, in my opinion, there have been varying degrees of negligence in working through differential diagnoses, sometimes missing the most obvious of alternate non-traumatic causes. In the present case of the autopsy report on Eliza Jane Scovill, in my opinion, there is a similar pattern; that is, diagnostic assumptions have been made based on superficial evaluation with little if any attempt to investigate other possible causes of the child's three-week illness culminating in death. Regarding Dr. Al-Bayati, I consider him to be a master craftsman in a broad field of medical expertise. His workups are exhaustive and meticulous, yet plainly written so as to be accessible to reasonably educated non-medical people. He makes no statements or claims that he does not document in the medical literature. In the case of Eliza Jane Scovill, I first reviewed the autopsy report, which did in fact give rise to personal concerns and doubts. However, after going through Dr. Al-Bayati's report point-by-point, he put all doubts to rest. There is no question in my mind that his report accurately describes the true causes in the death of Eliza Jane Scovill. Harold E Buttram, MD, FAAEM Quakertown, PA, USA Comments from Dr. Andrew Maniotis Dr. Maniotis is a Professor of Pathology and Program Director in the Cell and Developmental Biology of Cancer at the University of Illinois at Chicago. November 21st 2005 Dear Ms. Maggio I read Dr. Al-Bayati's report this weekend with a magnifying lens. I analyze many similar reports in the course of a single week, as I am a Professor of Pathology at UIC in the heart of Chicago, at one of the nation's largest medical schools. What I can say about the quality of the report - its thoroughness, insights, the examples chosen to present as differential diagnosis - is that it is perhaps one of the most thorough, if not the most thorough, and well-studied investigations I have ever seen. If only more pathologists could study Dr. Al-Bayati's logical and scientific methodology more carefully, there would be little need for inquests, malpractice, fraud, and certainly less medical error in autopsies, diagnosis, treatment, or critical care practices. I would only emphasize something in the report that Dr. Al-Bayati developed quite adequately himself from a technical standpoint by his stating and showing how the independent neuroconsultant didn't perform the proper controls for the p24 staining of the microglia and neurons. It should not escape the attention of the reader, especially those readers not familiar with the technicalities of the language of these kinds of reports, that the detection of the p24 antigen is not in any way diagnostic of the presence of HIV, or any other virus or pathogenic state that I am aware of. Positive staining for p24 in this case, as in all cases in the published literature, is without scientific basis since positive staining can be found also in normal tissues and contexts, as Dr. Al-Bayati suggests by pointing out that the proper p24 controls were not performed in the LA coroner's report. I wish you the very best, and hope with all of my being that this horrible state affairs that you and your family have been subjected to, due to the incompetent and mindless analysis done by the original LA coroner and their consultant, ends as soon as possible. I state unequivocally that Dr. Al-Bayati's analysis and report represent the state of the art in terms of methodology, completeness, and accuracy, and should be presented in the textbooks as models of how to do a differential diagnosis. Andrew Maniotis, PhD. Program Director in the Cell and Developmental Biology of Cancer, 3370 Molecular Biology Research Building, Department of Pathology, Anatomy and Cell Biology, and Bioengineering, 1819 West Polk Street, Room 446, (MC 847) University of Illinois at Chicago, Chicago, IL 60612, USA who has just authored a report revealing that the child died of anaphylactic reaction to a prescribed antibiotic, and we speak also Dr. Andrew Maniotis of the University Illinois at Chicago. |
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