More ?s: Reflux/Spitting Up/Gurgling, Dairy & Vitamin D

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#1 Reflux / Spitting Up / Gurgling / etc
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: The DW and I know that spitting up is fine, its projectile vomit
that is not. After DS nurses sometimes he is content and goes right to
sleep, other times he sounds wheezy/gurgly , fussy, almost like he's
trying to cough (but doesn't cough) and we know he needs to be burped.

A couple times over the past week he's spit up a LOT more than just a
quarter-sized amount. It's not projectile vomit, but it's sorta
explosive - but maybe that's just the burp/gas behind it? So is that
ok too?

As far as the wheezy/gurgling sounds he makes, which again he doesn't
make after every single feed only when it seems he needs to be burped
- is that just the normal sounds they make when they have gas? It
sounds like he's got congestion in his nose too!

Oh that's another thing - is it OK when he spits up from the gas to
where sometimes it comes out of his nose?

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#2 Dairy & Vitamin D
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I sometimes think that eating dairy products is not normal for us
human beings since we aren't baby cows. But then MOST times I don't
think this ; - ) (and there's the fact that some people can't tolerate
it).

We want to make sure DS gets enough Vitamin D. But we're not super
nutrionalists - we're probably like some of you - regular people that
try to eat the best they can. Some nights we have steak and veggies,
others pizza.. some lunches she has tuna fish, others hot dogs and
beans.

We're simple folk ; - )

The DW has her normal cereal every morning with milk, and we TRY to
have more Vitamin D enriched foods during the day, but we're regular
people - sometimes we don't.

We don't eat broccoli with every meal - i think that's a bit
unreasonable .

So are we doing OK? Am I overthinking things again? Will DS be fine
with what we're doing?

Or is there a certain amount of vitamin D enriched foods DW should be
eating? Like should she have 2 glasses of milk and ounces of cheese
every day and a serving of brocolli?

Thanks as always!

Paul

On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:04:02 -0700, Snugglemonster
wrote:

A couple times over the past week he's spit up a LOT more than just a
quarter-sized amount. It's not projectile vomit, but it's sorta
explosive - but maybe that's just the burp/gas behind it? So is that
ok too?

That sounds ok to me. Spit up isn't always a little dribble down the
chin. Sometimes it's an aiming across the room.

Oh that's another thing - is it OK when he spits up from the gas to
where sometimes it comes out of his nose?

I actually havent' experienced this with any of my kids, but I would
imagine that is not a problem, either. You can see what other posters
have to say.

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#2 Dairy & Vitamin D
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Or is there a certain amount of vitamin D enriched foods DW should be
eating? Like should she have 2 glasses of milk and ounces of cheese
every day and a serving of brocolli?

Vitamin D you can get with sunshine! It's the calcium you get through
dairy and some green veggies. If you take the baby outside for a few
minutes each day, his Vitamin D should be fine. For calcium there are
supplements if your wife doesn't feel she's eating enough calcium.
Humans definately don't need dairy. We just like it )
Marie

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#1 Reflux / Spitting Up / Gurgling / etc
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: The DW and I know that spitting up is fine, its projectile vomit
that is not. After DS nurses sometimes he is content and goes right to
sleep, other times he sounds wheezy/gurgly , fussy, almost like he's
trying to cough (but doesn't cough) and we know he needs to be burped.

A couple times over the past week he's spit up a LOT more than just a
quarter-sized amount. It's not projectile vomit, but it's sorta
explosive - but maybe that's just the burp/gas behind it? So is that
ok too?

Sounds fine and normal to me. DD2 is still known to bring her milk up at 7
months (although rarely now) but as a newborn, and for the first few months,
it definitely seemed that she was bringing up more than she was even taking
in. She'd get it everywhere...

As far as the wheezy/gurgling sounds he makes, which again he doesn't
make after every single feed only when it seems he needs to be burped
- is that just the normal sounds they make when they have gas? It
sounds like he's got congestion in his nose too!

Oh that's another thing - is it OK when he spits up from the gas to
where sometimes it comes out of his nose?

This sounds normal to me as well. DD2 was definitely one to puke it up and
it came right out of her nose almost every time. Just wipe the floor or
chair up, wipe yourself off, wipe baby's clothes and mouth, chin, cheek and
nose and go on.

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#2 Dairy & Vitamin D
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I sometimes think that eating dairy products is not normal for us
human beings since we aren't baby cows. But then MOST times I don't
think this ; - ) (and there's the fact that some people can't tolerate
it).

We also aren't pelicans, which are known to eat fish. Nor are we bears that
eat blueberries, iguanas that eat lettuce, elephants that love peanuts!

We want to make sure DS gets enough Vitamin D. But we're not super
nutrionalists - we're probably like some of you - regular people that
try to eat the best they can. Some nights we have steak and veggies,
others pizza.. some lunches she has tuna fish, others hot dogs and
beans.

Nevermind your own diet for this, try vitamin D supplements for HIM.
Vitamin D drops once a day for a breastfed baby can help with the D intake.

We're simple folk ; - )

The DW has her normal cereal every morning with milk, and we TRY to
have more Vitamin D enriched foods during the day, but we're regular
people - sometimes we don't.

We don't eat broccoli with every meal - i think that's a bit
unreasonable .

There's times where I could eat broccoli with cheese every day of the week,
but maybe I'm just a bit strange with that

So are we doing OK? Am I overthinking things again? Will DS be fine
with what we're doing?

I think everything sounds just fine. I wouldn't worry.

Or is there a certain amount of vitamin D enriched foods DW should be
eating? Like should she have 2 glasses of milk and ounces of cheese
every day and a serving of brocolli?

I know someone will correct me if I'm wrong and then I can have my info
straight.
I *think* that breast milk contains very little vitamin D. Again, I could
be wrong. Most formulas have this vitamin added to it, but with breast
milk, VitD is the one thing that it lacks. One of the biggest sources of
Vitamin D is from the sun. Normally we tend to keep our babies out of the
direct sunlight. We put hats on their heads, sit them in the shade, cover
their skin to avoid sunburn on their sensitive skin and the blazing sun out
of their little eyes which seem to be sensitive to bright lights. In winter
when the sun is less of a concern for burning, we tend to cover babies up
with snow suits, blankets and cuddle bags in the car seats. Babies seem to
get very little sun, which provides an excellent source of vitamin D.
I used vitamin D drops for my babies. It gave them that extra boost of
vitamin D, which is much needed, but breast milk lacks. It's fairly cheap
and they only need 1 dropper of it a day. If you miss a day or two, it's
not the end of the world. Some babies that are bf don't even get the D
drops, and they survive! I believe there are some possible issues, but I
also don't think they're very, very common.
I would give the drops - just the D - we have dVisol here. Not the multiple
ones like PolyVisol, just the D drops. It's fairly cheap to buy and it adds
that extra vitamin that humans need and should have.

Thanks as always!

Paul

Thanks for the input so far!

I meant to say CALCIUM not Vitamin D! *duh*.

Does anyone do anything special to make sure their littles ones get
the CALCIUM they need?

And are we OK with what we're doing? Some dairy, some greens... does
it have to be a certain amount?

Snugglemonster skrev:
Thanks for the input so far!

I meant to say CALCIUM not Vitamin D! *duh*.

Does anyone do anything special to make sure their littles ones get
the CALCIUM they need?

And are we OK with what we're doing? Some dairy, some greens... does
it have to be a certain amount?


Apart from vit D that comes from the sun the BM is designed to contain
anything the baby needs.

Unless your DW is in a very bad nutritional condition your baby will get
all it needs.

The deficiencies will turn up in DW in stead :-D

Tine, Denmark

p.s. my doc told me the most anxious thing in the world is an older,
well educated first time parent...he was right..... But after all - mine
are 14 and 9 (yo) now, so I must have done something right.

Snugglemonster wrote:
Thanks for the input so far!

I meant to say CALCIUM not Vitamin D! *duh*.

Does anyone do anything special to make sure their littles ones get
the CALCIUM they need?

And are we OK with what we're doing? Some dairy, some greens... does
it have to be a certain amount?

Breastmilk contains all the nutrients, including calcium, that your baby
needs. As Tine said, if your wife isn't eating all the right nutrients, any
deficiency is most likely to turn up in her first.

Your wife should be getting around 1200-1500 mg of calcium per day. From
http://www.estronaut.com/a/calcium_woman.htm:

1) Non-dairy foods: broccoli (36 mg/0.5 cup cooked), sardines (420 mg/213
g), clams, oysters, kale (90 mg/0.5 cup cooked), turnip greens (99 mg/0.5
cup cooked), and mustard greens.

2) Artificially calcium-fortified: juices and cereals. Calcium-fortified
orange juice contains 320 mg/cup, while calcium-fortified cereals contain
200 mg/cup.

3) Supplements: calcium carbonate, calcium citrate, calcium gluconate,
calcium glubionate, calcium lactate, tricalcium phosphate

4) Other forms: Tums, Viactive, Soy milk (200-500 mg/cup). Tums are tablets
that contain calcium carbonate. One regular strength tablet contains 200 mg
and one extra strength tablet contains 300 mg.

5) Milk (whole, 2%, 1%, and skim) contains 315 mg/cup and fruit-flavored
yogurt contains 259 mg per ¾ cup.

She shouldn't have too much, though, as in the short term it can lead to
constipation and stomach acidity, and in the long term can be rather more
nasty. Given that broccoli contains just about the least amount of calcium
on the list, I don't think she needs to force herself to eat it if she
doesn't want to! There are other more palatable and better sources of
calcium

Vitamin D is a "calcium synergist", helping it to be absorbed by the body,
so between whatever form of calcium she decides to take and moderate
exposure to sunlight for both her and baby, she should do great.

Engram

On Jun 6, 10:04?am, Snugglemonster wrote:
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#1 Reflux / Spitting Up / Gurgling / etc
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: The DW and I know that spitting up is fine, its projectile vomit
that is not. After DS nurses sometimes he is content and goes right to
sleep, other times he sounds wheezy/gurgly , fussy, almost like he's
trying to cough (but doesn't cough) and we know he needs to be burped.

The wheezy sound doesn't mean they need to be burped, just that they
need to cough, which is a learned thing really when not the result of
choking. It takes some time to differentiate between wheezing in the
chest and wheezing in the throat. Some babies, and 2 of my 3 did so,
would just get phlegm or the natural remnants from living in fluid for
so long building up in their throat, but it goes away more when they
can hold their heads up high versus their chins on their chest. With
their gag reflexes, that can cause spit up when it finds just the
right place.


A couple times over the past week he's spit up a LOT more than just a
quarter-sized amount. It's not projectile vomit, but it's sorta
explosive - but maybe that's just the burp/gas behind it? So is that
ok too?

It could be just the bubble of air behind it helping it fly out that
way. I remember one of my pediatricians sharing that he referred to
his daughter as Puke-a-hontas. My second baby was a huge spitter
upper. Pressure on the belly can make what should be a little be more
and being too full can do it too. If baby isn't showing signs of pain
as a result of reflux, then it is completely natural really. My third
baby was pretty good and regular at it too, but they both outgrew it.



As far as the wheezy/gurgling sounds he makes, which again he doesn't
make after every single feed only when it seems he needs to be burped
- is that just the normal sounds they make when they have gas? It
sounds like he's got congestion in his nose too!

Oh that's another thing - is it OK when he spits up from the gas to
where sometimes it comes out of his nose?

Babies do get colds, BUT if he has had it come out his nose, remnants
of that can make it sound congested, and usually a sneeze will help
that out.


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#2 Dairy & Vitamin D
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I sometimes think that eating dairy products is not normal for us
human beings since we aren't baby cows. But then MOST times I don't
think this ; - ) (and there's the fact that some people can't tolerate
it).

We want to make sure DS gets enough Vitamin D. But we're not super
nutrionalists - we're probably like some of you - regular people that
try to eat the best they can. Some nights we have steak and veggies,
others pizza.. some lunches she has tuna fish, others hot dogs and
beans.

We're simple folk ; - )

The DW has her normal cereal every morning with milk, and we TRY to
have more Vitamin D enriched foods during the day, but we're regular
people - sometimes we don't.

We don't eat broccoli with every meal - i think that's a bit
unreasonable .

So are we doing OK? Am I overthinking things again? Will DS be fine
with what we're doing?

Or is there a certain amount of vitamin D enriched foods DW should be
eating? Like should she have 2 glasses of milk and ounces of cheese
every day and a serving of brocolli?

Thanks as always!

Paul

You don't have to put a baby in direct sunlight for it to get the
vitamin D it needs from the sun. You can still get a sunburn sitting
under a shady tree, so you are still taking in the rays. All of my
kids were born in winter months, too cold to go outside months, and
the only sunlight they were exposed to was the indirect sunlight
filtering through our windows during the day. I can't even really say
they got any sunlight on a trip from the car to a building or vice
versa because I covered them with blankets to shield them from the
wind, but they also did get sunlight during car rides by the sunlight
filtering in the windows. They never had it recommended they take
vitamin D drops either. As long as your wife is eating a variety of
foods, which can be not-so-healthy sometimes, baby's nutrition is
adequate as well. Even if she ate Big Macs and fries every other day
and the other meals were normal somewhat balanced meals, the milk
factory takes the nutrients it needs to provide a good source of
nutrition to the baby and actually deprives mom of the nutrients she
needs first, or so I've been told.

Everything you have described sounds completely normal to me.