Lisa Welchel promoting child abuse

In article ,
"R. Steve Walz" wrote:

BTR1701 wrote:

In article ,
"R. Steve Walz" wrote:

BTR1701 wrote:

In article ,
"R. Steve Walz" wrote:

BTR1701 wrote:

Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for
some
of the little ****s to have some actual manners.
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You're just an abusive Fundy whore.

We have found it is impossible to impose such coercion on adult
humans. We will also find this impossible with children because
it disrespects their right to their chosen form of expression
and freedom of speech.


p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.
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Again it dishonors children's right to their opinion and speech.
If you don't respect them, then they will never respect you!
Steve

I was going to ask you to show any evidence you have that I'm a
"Fundy",
considering I've been openly atheist for several decades now... then I
realized you're just an idiot, so why bother?
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Saying you're an atheist if you say the same **** the Fundies say
is unconvincing.

Why would I care about convincing an idiot of anything?
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You got nuthin'.

And yet still more than you got.

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in
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Again it dishonors children's right to their opinion and speech.
If you don't respect them, then they will never respect you!
Steve


Steve, please, don't reproduce... Or if you do, put em up for adoption.

Mike H wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in
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Again it dishonors children's right to their opinion and speech.
If you don't respect them, then they will never respect you!
Steve


Steve, please, don't reproduce... Or if you do, put em up for adoption.
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Waaay too late, two professionals who even vote like I do, off
into the world in their 30's!
Steve

Anim8rFSK wrote:
I've always thought she was abusing those kids, right back to her
interviews about keeping them locked away at home, with no media; no TV,
no radio, no magazines, no newspapers, and home schooling. Unless she
keeps them chained to the butter churn, they're going to be ill prepared
to go more than 100 yards from their insane father's house.

I had never heard that one before. I read some of the exerpts on that
website and found them frightening. I'm not against spanking children,
but I am against, brainwashing, mind control, and other forms of abuse,
which is what I think is being advocated here. I wonder how many
people who advocate the sort of stuff in this book would be like if
they had been brought up with some of this sort of stuff. I wonder if
they would be able to survive on the outside on their own, like you
say.

Her religious leanings don't surprise me though. I remember when Facts
of Life was still on TV. There was an episode that dealt with one of
the girls losing her virginity. Whelchel refused to appear in the
episode because she objected to it. I thought this was bizzare.

Priz

In article .com,
"Priz" wrote:

There was an episode that dealt with one of
the girls losing her virginity. Whelchel refused to appear in the
episode because she objected to it. I thought this was bizzare.

While I may not share her religious convictions, I found it refreshing
that a young actor would refuse to appear in a show that she believed
was immoral.

I think it would be pretty cool if more professionals would insist that
those shows that are aimed at children and teens had their main
characters demonstrated the sorts of values we would prefer our own
children have.

As I said, I find the basic attitude towards children's behavior
problematic -- that is, that all are born in sin and are, because of
Adam and Eve's first sin, bound to be "bad" -- but let's stick to the
stuff worth criticizing.

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Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

Once Upon A Time dragonlady wrote:

Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

When you can balance a tack hammer on your head, you will head off your
foes with a balanced attack.


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Captain Infinity

dragonlady wrote:

In article .com,
"Priz" wrote:

There was an episode that dealt with one of
the girls losing her virginity. Whelchel refused to appear in the
episode because she objected to it. I thought this was bizzare.

While I may not share her religious convictions, I found it refreshing
that a young actor would refuse to appear in a show that she believed
was immoral.
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And that means lots of us find you insane.


I think it would be pretty cool if more professionals would insist that
those shows that are aimed at children and teens had their main
characters demonstrated the sorts of values we would prefer our own
children have.
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And what YOU *REALLY* don't "get" is that a considerable bunch of us
out here WANT TOTALLY DIFFERENT values, ones that YOU imagine are EVIL,
and that WE believe you are emotionally DISTURBED for opposing!!


As I said, I find the basic attitude towards children's behavior
problematic -- that is, that all are born in sin and are, because of
Adam and Eve's first sin, bound to be "bad" -- but let's stick to the
stuff worth criticizing.
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Yeah, that's REALLY nuts.

But, you just think in your distorted mind that SEX is the Ultimate
Model for Evil, instead of the TRUE EVILS of cruelty, hate, avarice,
wealth, and tyranny!!
Steve

In article ,
"R. Steve Walz" wrote:

dragonlady wrote:

In article .com,
"Priz" wrote:

There was an episode that dealt with one of
the girls losing her virginity. Whelchel refused to appear in the
episode because she objected to it. I thought this was bizzare.

While I may not share her religious convictions, I found it refreshing
that a young actor would refuse to appear in a show that she believed
was immoral.
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And that means lots of us find you insane.

Please read what I actually wrote, Steve, instead of what you assume to
be true.

I said I found it refreshing that a young actor would refuse to be in a
show that SHE found immoral -- not that I agreed with her.

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Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

R. Steve Walz wrote:

You're lying. People do this to take the side of their abuser so that
they don't feel as abused for having agreed with their abuse. But the
problem is that it's a lie to the Self. In psychology the dynamic is
called cognitive dissonance, and examples are the Stockholm Syndrome
and learned helplessness in spousal abuse.

[eyes roll] Oh, good grief. The only punishment I ever resented was the
time my dad yelled at me in front of my girlfriend. I don't resent
anything else. You sound as if you are a person who cannot believe that
anyone ever got along with their parents. I am very sorry if your
parents treated you badly as a child; my grandfather did this to my dad
and I did resent HIM for it. But I was not abused by my parents. Sorry
to ruin your theory.

You have a great deal of buried hatred you're not dealing with, and
which has crippled your creativity, autonomy, and sense of yourself
all your life. It is a classic women's gambit, to knuckle under and
ever so secretly hate. It cripples you as a person.

You sound like you're quoting out of a college psychology textbook,
Steve. Why not talk like a real person? My creativity, autonomy, and
sense of self is just fine, thanks. The only buried hatred I have is
for my job and I'm stuck with that. :-)

Linda

In article .com,
"LindaY" wrote:

The only buried hatred I have is
for my job and I'm stuck with that. :-)

Doesn't sound very deeply buried. :-)

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Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care