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Old March 1st 10, 04:14 AM posted to sci.med,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
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"If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
reproductive
health services, we could lower that [his initial 2050 global
population projection of 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15
percent." ---Bill Gates
With better health care, including vaccines and reproductive health
services, people have fewer children, leading to a lower increase
in
human population.

Jeff

he didn't say that, but nice attempt at spin

Where did he say that?

Please show I am wrong.

Gates may have been referring to hCG vaccine or other anti-pregnancy
vaccines.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...og%24=activity

I don't think so. Bill Gate's foundation has paid for a lot of health
care in developing nations as well as vaccine development against
infectious diseases.

"Reproductive health services" means access to birth control. Like
women in developed countries, women in underdeveloped countries would
prefer not to have more children than they can raise to healthy
adulthood. That option is not open to most of them now.


Exactly. And a contraceptive vaccine that is effective for several years
is likely to be more successful (and probably cheaper) than methods which
rely on remembering to take pills on a daily basis.


Where there is better health (in part from vaccines and improved access to
health care), kids are more likely to make it to adulthood, so adults
don't need to have as many kids to ensure that some of their kids will
make it to adulthood.


They don't need to but the evidence of population growth in most developing
countries is that they still are.

Reproductive health care means more than birth control.


In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in 2050 it
probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.



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Old March 1st 10, 04:19 AM posted to sci.med,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
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"If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
reproductive
health services, we could lower that [his initial 2050 global
population projection of 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15
percent." ---Bill Gates
With better health care, including vaccines and reproductive
health
services, people have fewer children, leading to a lower
increase in
human population.

Jeff

he didn't say that, but nice attempt at spin

Where did he say that?

Please show I am wrong.

Gates may have been referring to hCG vaccine or other anti-pregnancy
vaccines.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...og%24=activity

I don't think so. Bill Gate's foundation has paid for a lot of health
care in developing nations as well as vaccine development against
infectious diseases.

"Reproductive health services" means access to birth control. Like
women in developed countries, women in underdeveloped countries would
prefer not to have more children than they can raise to healthy
adulthood. That option is not open to most of them now.

Exactly. And a contraceptive vaccine that is effective for several
years is likely to be more successful (and probably cheaper) than
methods which rely on remembering to take pills on a daily basis.


Where there is better health (in part from vaccines and improved
access to health care), kids are more likely to make it to adulthood,
so adults don't need to have as many kids to ensure that some of their
kids will make it to adulthood.


They don't need to but the evidence of population growth in most
developing countries is that they still are.

Reproductive health care means more than birth control.


In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in 2050 it
probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.


Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing nations in
ways beyond just birth control.

Jeff

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Old March 5th 10, 04:29 AM posted to sci.med,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
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http://www.whale.to/b/bill_gates1.html

"If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
reproductive
health services, we could lower that [his initial 2050 global
population projection of 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15
percent." ---Bill Gates
With better health care, including vaccines and reproductive
health
services, people have fewer children, leading to a lower increase
in
human population.

Jeff

he didn't say that, but nice attempt at spin

Where did he say that?

Please show I am wrong.

Gates may have been referring to hCG vaccine or other anti-pregnancy
vaccines.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...og%24=activity

I don't think so. Bill Gate's foundation has paid for a lot of health
care in developing nations as well as vaccine development against
infectious diseases.

"Reproductive health services" means access to birth control. Like
women in developed countries, women in underdeveloped countries would
prefer not to have more children than they can raise to healthy
adulthood. That option is not open to most of them now.

Exactly. And a contraceptive vaccine that is effective for several
years is likely to be more successful (and probably cheaper) than
methods which rely on remembering to take pills on a daily basis.

Where there is better health (in part from vaccines and improved access
to health care), kids are more likely to make it to adulthood, so adults
don't need to have as many kids to ensure that some of their kids will
make it to adulthood.


They don't need to but the evidence of population growth in most
developing countries is that they still are.

Reproductive health care means more than birth control.


In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in 2050 it
probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.


Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing nations in
ways beyond just birth control.


Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially reducing
the projected 2050 population (which is what is being discussed, not his
other philanthropic activities) is likely to be birth control rather than
waiting for fertility to decline with improved life expectancy.



Jeff

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Old March 6th 10, 12:17 AM posted to sci.med,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
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"dr_jeff" wrote in message
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john wrote:
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john wrote:
http://www.whale.to/b/bill_gates1.html

"If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
reproductive
health services, we could lower that [his initial 2050 global
population projection of 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15
percent." ---Bill Gates
With better health care, including vaccines and reproductive
health
services, people have fewer children, leading to a lower
increase in
human population.

Jeff

he didn't say that, but nice attempt at spin

Where did he say that?

Please show I am wrong.

Gates may have been referring to hCG vaccine or other
anti-pregnancy
vaccines.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...og%24=activity

I don't think so. Bill Gate's foundation has paid for a lot of
health
care in developing nations as well as vaccine development against
infectious diseases.

"Reproductive health services" means access to birth control. Like
women in developed countries, women in underdeveloped countries would
prefer not to have more children than they can raise to healthy
adulthood. That option is not open to most of them now.

Exactly. And a contraceptive vaccine that is effective for several
years is likely to be more successful (and probably cheaper) than
methods which rely on remembering to take pills on a daily basis.

Where there is better health (in part from vaccines and improved
access to health care), kids are more likely to make it to
adulthood, so adults don't need to have as many kids to ensure that
some of their kids will make it to adulthood.

They don't need to but the evidence of population growth in most
developing countries is that they still are.

Reproductive health care means more than birth control.

In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in 2050
it probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.


Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing nations
in ways beyond just birth control.


Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially
reducing the projected 2050 population (which is what is being
discussed, not his other philanthropic activities) is likely to be birth
control rather than waiting for fertility to decline with improved life
expectancy.


When people are better off socioeconomically, they usually choose to
have fewer children. That's a big reason why the birth rate in the US is
lower than that in Africa.

Jeff
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Old March 6th 10, 12:41 AM posted to sci.med,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
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"dr_jeff" wrote in message
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john wrote:
"dr_jeff" wrote in message
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john wrote:
http://www.whale.to/b/bill_gates1.html

"If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
reproductive
health services, we could lower that [his initial 2050 global
population projection of 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15
percent." ---Bill Gates
With better health care, including vaccines and reproductive
health
services, people have fewer children, leading to a lower
increase in
human population.

Jeff

he didn't say that, but nice attempt at spin

Where did he say that?

Please show I am wrong.

Gates may have been referring to hCG vaccine or other
anti-pregnancy
vaccines.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...og%24=activity

I don't think so. Bill Gate's foundation has paid for a lot of
health
care in developing nations as well as vaccine development against
infectious diseases.

"Reproductive health services" means access to birth control. Like
women in developed countries, women in underdeveloped countries
would
prefer not to have more children than they can raise to healthy
adulthood. That option is not open to most of them now.

Exactly. And a contraceptive vaccine that is effective for several
years is likely to be more successful (and probably cheaper) than
methods which rely on remembering to take pills on a daily basis.

Where there is better health (in part from vaccines and improved
access to health care), kids are more likely to make it to adulthood,
so adults don't need to have as many kids to ensure that some of their
kids will make it to adulthood.

They don't need to but the evidence of population growth in most
developing countries is that they still are.

Reproductive health care means more than birth control.

In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in 2050
it probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.

Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing nations in
ways beyond just birth control.


Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially reducing
the projected 2050 population (which is what is being discussed, not his
other philanthropic activities) is likely to be birth control rather than
waiting for fertility to decline with improved life expectancy.


When people are better off socioeconomically, they usually choose to have
fewer children. That's a big reason why the birth rate in the US is lower
than that in Africa.


That may be so, but socio-economics wasn't mentioned in the quote by Gates -
"If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
reproductive health services, we could lower that
[his initial 2050 global population projection of
9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15 percent."


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Old March 6th 10, 12:53 AM posted to sci.med,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
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john wrote:
"dr_jeff" wrote in message
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john wrote:
http://www.whale.to/b/bill_gates1.html

"If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
reproductive
health services, we could lower that [his initial 2050 global
population projection of 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15
percent." ---Bill Gates
With better health care, including vaccines and
reproductive health
services, people have fewer children, leading to a lower
increase in
human population.

Jeff

he didn't say that, but nice attempt at spin

Where did he say that?

Please show I am wrong.

Gates may have been referring to hCG vaccine or other
anti-pregnancy
vaccines.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...og%24=activity


I don't think so. Bill Gate's foundation has paid for a lot of
health
care in developing nations as well as vaccine development against
infectious diseases.

"Reproductive health services" means access to birth control. Like
women in developed countries, women in underdeveloped countries
would
prefer not to have more children than they can raise to healthy
adulthood. That option is not open to most of them now.

Exactly. And a contraceptive vaccine that is effective for
several years is likely to be more successful (and probably
cheaper) than methods which rely on remembering to take pills on
a daily basis.

Where there is better health (in part from vaccines and improved
access to health care), kids are more likely to make it to
adulthood, so adults don't need to have as many kids to ensure
that some of their kids will make it to adulthood.

They don't need to but the evidence of population growth in most
developing countries is that they still are.

Reproductive health care means more than birth control.

In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in
2050 it probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.

Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing
nations in ways beyond just birth control.

Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially
reducing the projected 2050 population (which is what is being
discussed, not his other philanthropic activities) is likely to be
birth control rather than waiting for fertility to decline with
improved life expectancy.


When people are better off socioeconomically, they usually choose to
have fewer children. That's a big reason why the birth rate in the US
is lower than that in Africa.


That may be so, but socio-economics wasn't mentioned in the quote by
Gates -
"If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
reproductive health services, we could lower that
[his initial 2050 global population projection of
9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15 percent."


That quote is the only thing I saw that he said on the topic of
population growth.

However, in another talk, at Stanford University, he said, "Now,
fortunately, if you get health right, it brings population growth down,
and there's a lot of data that says that when you have more resources to
feed, to educate, these political pathologies you get in are less likely
to take place."

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/e...9Stanford.mspx

Jeff

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Old March 6th 10, 01:13 AM posted to sci.med,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
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Reproductive health care means more than birth control.

In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in 2050
it probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.

Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing nations
in ways beyond just birth control.

Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially
reducing the projected 2050 population (which is what is being
discussed, not his other philanthropic activities) is likely to be
birth control rather than waiting for fertility to decline with
improved life expectancy.

When people are better off socioeconomically, they usually choose to
have fewer children. That's a big reason why the birth rate in the US is
lower than that in Africa.


That may be so, but socio-economics wasn't mentioned in the quote by
Gates -
"If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
reproductive health services, we could lower that
[his initial 2050 global population projection of
9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15 percent."


That quote is the only thing I saw that he said on the topic of population
growth.


Yep - let's just stick to that quote, which is what was being discussed.


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Old March 6th 10, 01:18 AM posted to sci.med,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
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Default Bill Gates: We can lower the world's population with vaccines

Blinky Bill wrote:


"dr_jeff" wrote in message
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Blinky Bill wrote:


"dr_jeff" wrote in message
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Blinky Bill wrote:


snip

Reproductive health care means more than birth control.

In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in
2050 it probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.

Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing
nations in ways beyond just birth control.

Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially
reducing the projected 2050 population (which is what is being
discussed, not his other philanthropic activities) is likely to be
birth control rather than waiting for fertility to decline with
improved life expectancy.

When people are better off socioeconomically, they usually choose to
have fewer children. That's a big reason why the birth rate in the
US is lower than that in Africa.

That may be so, but socio-economics wasn't mentioned in the quote by
Gates -
"If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
reproductive health services, we could lower that
[his initial 2050 global population projection of
9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15 percent."


That quote is the only thing I saw that he said on the topic of
population growth.


Yep - let's just stick to that quote, which is what was being discussed.


You were intellectually dishonest when you removed part of what I said
without indicating that fact.

And we were discussing the meaning of the quote, by bringing other
things the person whom was quote said. If you don't think that is
relevant tough doo-doo.

Jeff
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Old March 6th 10, 03:08 AM posted to sci.med,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
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"dr_jeff" wrote in message
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Blinky Bill wrote:


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Reproductive health care means more than birth control.

In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in
2050 it probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.

Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing
nations in ways beyond just birth control.

Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially
reducing the projected 2050 population (which is what is being
discussed, not his other philanthropic activities) is likely to be
birth control rather than waiting for fertility to decline with
improved life expectancy.

When people are better off socioeconomically, they usually choose to
have fewer children. That's a big reason why the birth rate in the US
is lower than that in Africa.

That may be so, but socio-economics wasn't mentioned in the quote by
Gates -
"If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
reproductive health services, we could lower that
[his initial 2050 global population projection of
9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15 percent."

That quote is the only thing I saw that he said on the topic of
population growth.


Yep - let's just stick to that quote, which is what was being discussed.


You were intellectually dishonest when you removed part of what I said
without indicating that fact.


I snipped the part not relevant to the point of discussion which is the Bill
gates quote cited above. Why you think it is "intellectually dishonest" to
try to keep you on topic by refusinjg to be diverted is something only you
can explain.


And we were discussing the meaning of the quote, by bringing other things


snip irrelevant "other things"

No "we" weren't - only you want to change the subject.

You apparently want this discussion to go on forever by changing the
subject - I'm not interested.



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Old March 6th 10, 03:10 AM posted to sci.med,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
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Default Bill Gates: We can lower the world's population with vaccines

Blinky Bill wrote:


"dr_jeff" wrote in message
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Blinky Bill wrote:


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"dr_jeff" wrote in message
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Blinky Bill wrote:


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Reproductive health care means more than birth control.

In the context of reducing the current estimate of population
in 2050 it probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.

Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing
nations in ways beyond just birth control.

Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially
reducing the projected 2050 population (which is what is being
discussed, not his other philanthropic activities) is likely to
be birth control rather than waiting for fertility to decline
with improved life expectancy.

When people are better off socioeconomically, they usually choose
to have fewer children. That's a big reason why the birth rate in
the US is lower than that in Africa.

That may be so, but socio-economics wasn't mentioned in the quote
by Gates -
"If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
reproductive health services, we could lower that
[his initial 2050 global population projection of
9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15 percent."

That quote is the only thing I saw that he said on the topic of
population growth.

Yep - let's just stick to that quote, which is what was being discussed.


You were intellectually dishonest when you removed part of what I said
without indicating that fact.


I snipped the part not relevant to the point of discussion which is the
Bill gates quote cited above. Why you think it is "intellectually
dishonest" to try to keep you on topic by refusinjg to be diverted is
something only you can explain.


You're changing what I said without indicating that fact.

And we were discussing the meaning of the quote, by bringing other things


snip irrelevant "other things"


I think it's relevant. Obviously, you don't. Too bad.

No "we" weren't - only you want to change the subject.


You're a fool if you think what the person said related to the quote is
not relevant.

You apparently want this discussion to go on forever by changing the
subject - I'm not interested.


Good, there is no requirement that you participate in the discussion.

Problem solved.

Jeff
 




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