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OT religion and smacking
"Nina" wrote in message ...
"Nevermind" wrote in message om... "Chotii" wrote I bought a pack because I'm using them to help Victoria learn to put food items of some size into her mouth, and eat them. But of course the other kids want them too. After removeing the bag from their bedroom where they had sneaked it, with display of much displeasure on my part, I brought it down and put it in front of me at my desk. Emmaline came and very very slowly crept her hand toward it, watching my face the whole time. I said "No, we're not having any more." The hand kept creeping. Now, what would YOU do? Threaten them with a punishment for direct disobedience, e.g., no junk food at all for the next X amount of time. And follow through, time after time. Eventually, most kids will respond to this kind of discipline. Most isnt all. And some of us do happen to have the kids who are in the minority/ But what makes you think they'll respond quicker and in a more positive way to being hit? The behavior Chotii described is not that of a child who was "cured" of her disobedience by spanking. |
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"Nevermind" wrote in message om... "Nina" wrote in message ... "Nevermind" wrote in message om... "Chotii" wrote I bought a pack because I'm using them to help Victoria learn to put food items of some size into her mouth, and eat them. But of course the other kids want them too. After removeing the bag from their bedroom where they had sneaked it, with display of much displeasure on my part, I brought it down and put it in front of me at my desk. Emmaline came and very very slowly crept her hand toward it, watching my face the whole time. I said "No, we're not having any more." The hand kept creeping. Now, what would YOU do? Threaten them with a punishment for direct disobedience, e.g., no junk food at all for the next X amount of time. And follow through, time after time. Eventually, most kids will respond to this kind of discipline. Most isnt all. And some of us do happen to have the kids who are in the minority/ But what makes you think they'll respond quicker and in a more positive way to being hit? The behavior Chotii described is not that of a child who was "cured" of her disobedience by spanking. When all else fails and you try it, it either works or doesn't. |
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Gun safety/America (was: OT religion and smacking)
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OT Gun safety/America (was: OT religion and smacking)
Simply making guns illegal doesn't make crime go away. And not just in
America - see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...lk/3009769.stm - this fellow's house was burgled so many times that he used an (illegal) gun and shot somebody to death. He is now in prison, because "The parole board...has continually refused him early release - saying he has shown no remorse and would continue to pose a danger to any other burglars." This guy is no longer in prison and if you read the article you will note that he shot the burglar in the BACK as he was leaving the property - this was not self defense it was revenge because he was sick of being burgled and this was why he was locked up by the UK justice system,which does allow for a legitimate defence of self defence (providing you use reasonable force). As a furhter note the last thing I heard about Tony Martin on the UK news was that he had been arrested for vehicle registration theft ...... Not so squeaky clean after all ... Ellie |
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This whole topic has been facinating and has sparked a good discussion
between DH and myself. I was never smacked as a child, not especially the norm in the UK 30+ years ago when nobody particularly saw anything against spanking. I was no angel and remember other punishments that had a far greater impact than spanking would have done. (Time outs, loss of priveleges (sp?) etc) DH was spanked at home, had physical punishments at school - he says it never deterred him and interestingly the one person he has most respect for is his (now deceased) Grandfather, who was the one member of his immediate family who never spanked him. Ellie |
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Gun safety/America (was: OT religion and smacking)
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:04:14 GMT, "Chotii"
wrote: "Clisby" wrote in message ... Nevermind wrote: If someone has a gun in their house, your kid can get shot with it there, or that person can take it out of the house, or unwittingly allow some other dope to do so, thus possibly endangering the rest of us. Your friend can get shot by her jealous ex-boyfriend, etc. Guns do kill people, all too easily. I don't have to wonder about *someone* having a gun in his/her home; we have a gun in our home. Yes, what you're saying is theoretically possible. It is not anything I would lose sleep over. We have a gun. It is kept locked away in a gun safe. Purely out of interest, why do you have a gun? Serious question - I know some people keep a gun in the house for self defence in the event of being burgled, but wouldn't a gun in a safe be a bit hard to get at in such an event? -- Linz YB: 4 months, 15lbs 14oz |
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Gun safety/America (was: OT religion and smacking)
Linz wrote:
Purely out of interest, why do you have a gun? Serious question - I know some people keep a gun in the house for self defence in the event of being burgled, but wouldn't a gun in a safe be a bit hard to get at in such an event? I can answer that as a gun owner (well I'm not but dh is). Dh hunts so has a variety of guns for that. When we lived out in the boonies we used them for vermin that were scary for one reason or another. My BIL collects guns though. He has lots of them, including handguns. He hunts and is also a member at some gun shooting club and so target practices a lot. He's not crazy or 'off center' either which is what I previously thought of people that owned so many guns, lol. Well, and the people I knew that owned so many (I'm sure others did and I didn't know about it) were a bit crazy. The non-crazy ones probably don't go out of their way to make sure you know! I wouldn't know BIL did if dh didn't tell me. -- Nikki Mama to Hunter (4) and Luke (2) |
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Irene wrote:
So far, ds (age 2.5) has never been spanked. We asked him the other day, and he had no idea what the word "spanking" meant, in fact! I definitely think that spanking him would just open up the idea that hitting is ok, which I'm trying to discourage. I think I said somewhere else that I spanked Hunter twice. He was at least 3 the first time and he was over 4 the second. His grandma one time asked him if he wanted a spanking. He perked up and said 'Whats that' like it might be some kind of special rare treat :-) When I did spank him he started to cry and scream...You hit me You hit me :-( :-( It was aweful. I gave two open handed swats on the butt. Luke is a different personality (and I can definatly get pushed to the end of my rope easier with the two of them because they interact with each other and can totally ignore me) so he is only 2.5 now and been spanked three times :-( Twice was over this aweful biting phase that I just couldn't figure out how to curb. Thankfully they don't seem to have come to the conclusion that it is OK to hit as they don't do much of that to each other at all. When I was small and played house, I spanked my dolls. Everyone I know did that, but then 34 years ago I bet most girls I knew were spanked by their parents. Tine if you are reading....I bet little girls in Denmark don't do that huh? -- Nikki Mama to Hunter (4) and Luke (2) |
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"Nikki" skrev i en meddelelse
... I can answer that as a gun owner (well I'm not but dh is). Dh hunts so has a variety of guns for that. When we lived out in the boonies we used them for vermin that were scary for one reason or another. My BIL collects guns though. He has lots of them, including handguns. He hunts and is also a member at some gun shooting club and so target practices a lot. He's not crazy or 'off center' either which is what I previously thought of people that owned so many guns, lol. Well, and the people I knew that owned so many (I'm sure others did and I didn't know about it) were a bit crazy. The non-crazy ones probably don't go out of their way to make sure you know! I wouldn't know BIL did if dh didn't tell me. Even to me it's ok if you are shooting for game or in clubs. It's the common mans right to bear arms I don't understand. Tine, Denmark |
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"Nikki" skrev i en meddelelse
... I think I said somewhere else that I spanked Hunter twice. He was at least 3 the first time and he was over 4 the second. His grandma one time asked him if he wanted a spanking. He perked up and said 'Whats that' like it might be some kind of special rare treat :-) When I did spank him he started to cry and scream...You hit me You hit me :-( :-( He must somehow know that you are not supposed to. As I believe I've said befo I don't accept hitting as a means of bringing up children, but I CAN understand a parent at her ropes end who by accident lashes out. I don't accept it, but I can understand it - after all we are human and we make mistakes. When I was small and played house, I spanked my dolls. Everyone I know did that, but then 34 years ago I bet most girls I knew were spanked by their parents. Tine if you are reading....I bet little girls in Denmark don't do that huh? I'm 45 - I believe it was quite ordinary in maybe 25% of the house holds to swat once in the bottom of small children. I have never in my grown up life seen a child playing with dolls hit a doll and say: 'bad, bad doll' or the like. On the other hand: I know that in lots of families it is not unusual - even in these days. So much for legislation :-) Tine, Denmark |
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