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Old June 4th 04, 06:58 PM
KRP
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"Bob Hirschfeld, JD" wrote in message
s.com...

"krp" wrote in message
...

Only a fool would fear a lawsuit from you except for the massive amount

of
time and legal bills they would have to endure dealing with your

madness.

Sounds good so far. "Sux" is such a fool. Perhaps so is "KRP".


Maybe I aam not. Tell you what Bob why don't you put it to the test? You
know where I live. You're dumb enough to take me on.




  #312  
Old June 4th 04, 06:58 PM
KRP
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Default Two Defamatory "Sux" Websites Shut Down


"Bob Hirschfeld, JD" wrote in message
s.com...

"krp" wrote in message
...

Only a fool would fear a lawsuit from you except for the massive amount

of
time and legal bills they would have to endure dealing with your

madness.

Sounds good so far. "Sux" is such a fool. Perhaps so is "KRP".


Maybe I aam not. Tell you what Bob why don't you put it to the test? You
know where I live. You're dumb enough to take me on.




  #313  
Old June 4th 04, 06:58 PM
KRP
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Default Two Defamatory "Sux" Websites Shut Down


"Bob Hirschfeld, JD" wrote in message
s.com...

"krp" wrote in message
...

Only a fool would fear a lawsuit from you except for the massive amount

of
time and legal bills they would have to endure dealing with your

madness.

Sounds good so far. "Sux" is such a fool. Perhaps so is "KRP".


Maybe I aam not. Tell you what Bob why don't you put it to the test? You
know where I live. You're dumb enough to take me on.




  #314  
Old June 4th 04, 07:09 PM
Jill
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Default Troll "Moon Shyne"

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 17:27:24 GMT, "Bob Hirschfeld, JD"
wrote:

Nice, complete quote, Jill. Did you have anything to add?


Sure. I hit the wrong button. Sue me.


"Jill" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 14:45:28 GMT, "Bob Hirschfeld, JD"
wrote:

"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
...
C'mon, Bob - it ain't defamation when it's the truth - didn't they

teach
you
that in law school?

What is defamation will be decided in a Court of Law. Trolls who snipe

from
hiding
cannot prove the "truth" of their defamatory lies from their places of
hiding. That
includes you "Moon Shyne".




  #315  
Old June 4th 04, 07:09 PM
Jill
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Default Troll "Moon Shyne"

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 17:27:24 GMT, "Bob Hirschfeld, JD"
wrote:

Nice, complete quote, Jill. Did you have anything to add?


Sure. I hit the wrong button. Sue me.


"Jill" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 14:45:28 GMT, "Bob Hirschfeld, JD"
wrote:

"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
...
C'mon, Bob - it ain't defamation when it's the truth - didn't they

teach
you
that in law school?

What is defamation will be decided in a Court of Law. Trolls who snipe

from
hiding
cannot prove the "truth" of their defamatory lies from their places of
hiding. That
includes you "Moon Shyne".




  #316  
Old June 4th 04, 07:09 PM
Jill
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Default Troll "Moon Shyne"

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 17:27:24 GMT, "Bob Hirschfeld, JD"
wrote:

Nice, complete quote, Jill. Did you have anything to add?


Sure. I hit the wrong button. Sue me.


"Jill" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 14:45:28 GMT, "Bob Hirschfeld, JD"
wrote:

"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
...
C'mon, Bob - it ain't defamation when it's the truth - didn't they

teach
you
that in law school?

What is defamation will be decided in a Court of Law. Trolls who snipe

from
hiding
cannot prove the "truth" of their defamatory lies from their places of
hiding. That
includes you "Moon Shyne".




  #317  
Old June 4th 04, 07:42 PM
Bob Hirschfeld, JD
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"krp" wrote in message
...
No Bob, I support its use by QUALIFIED experts and NOT on children.
Remember YOU tried to use a Socxial Worker as an EXPERT for you. The

people
I work with all have a Ph.D. or an MD. Yep I do support its use when used

by
QUALIFIED experts and is used appropriately within medical guidelines.


There IS NO legitimate use for use of the Penile Plethysmograph other than
its
original purpose: to determine whether nerve connection exist in paraplegics
to
their lower body, including the penis. There are NO QUALIFIED EXPERTS
on the ersatz use regarding sexual interest resolution, "which type of
sexually
explicit photograph produces a larger microscopic erection." PPG is still
not
scientifically accepted evidence, notwithstanding the flummery of you and
you alleged "experts".


Pangborn's favorite PPG apparatus was prohibited for such minors in

Arizona by the
Appellate Courts, the legislature, and public opinion, because of my

legal
advocacy
representing one of the PPG victims and his mother. The entire $2

million/year
Phoenix Memorial Hospital "Sexuality and Addiction" program for

Juveniles
which
primarily inflicted PPG upon such juvenile boys, was closed within

several
weeks
of the public exposure of the scientifically worthless practice.

Pangborn
made part of his income in those days
by kickbacks from an East Coast fraudulent PPG practitioner, to whom

Pangborn
referred fathers accused of molestation to "prove" that they had no

sexual
interest
in minors. Typical Pangborn Fraud.


WHO would that "EAST COAST fraudulent practitioner" be?
Got a NAME for us Bobby?


I'm sure you know who he is. You've made a lot of fraudulent money
by referring your clients to him.

Let's get something straight, the "program" you refer to was a
rogue operation devised by a UNQUALIFIED social worker. The guy should

have
been neutered for what hee did in his CRACKPOT "averseion therapy?

program,
or at least sent to prison for sexual abuse of the boys in his little
"experiment." That ANY medical device can be ABUSED, Bob is NO secret. Say
Bob, we STILL use the PPG quite effectively. But as ALWAYS Bob, you

believe
yourself to be this GREAT EXPERT on nearly everything. But this is a case

of
you not knowing what you don't know. Your ignorance level on this subject

is
150%.


Nonsense. I am an expert litigator in some disciplines, and certainly the
research
which supported my successful legal prohibition of PPG in AZ entitles
me to some substantial credibility. Use of the PPG for distinguishing
between types of sexual interest, or any establishment of existence of
sexual interest, are charlatanism.


I do not seek respect from Pangborn, who destroyed his own credibility
decades ago.


I have FAR more than YOU Bob!


Now that's REALLY hilarious, Pangborn.



Obviously, you cannot joust with me publicly without immediately

attracting
the hordes of your own enemies. You would be well advised to seek a

lesser
adversary than me.


Hate to tell you Bob, Moore is 10 times the adversary that YOU

are. The
record on you is absolute.There is a little wiggle room for Moore.


Pangborn deserves the dogged, decades-long exposure and opposition from

his
huge number of online detractors, of which one may be named "Moore". I

don't
waste my time with Pangborn, unless he emerges from his kennel and barks
at me. No doubt "Moore" will be pleased at Pangborn's admission quoted
above, regarding "Moore's" persistence and apparent credibility.


He is MORE credible than you Bob. But then so is a tree slug. That's

no
high praise. Moore has not yet been CONVICTED of being a liar, YOU HAVE!


The disbarment was a politically driven civil, not criminal action. There
was no "conviction."


Once again, Pangborn would be well advised to seek a lesser adversary

than
me.


Bob there are NO lesser adversaries than YOU.. You'd better come to grips
with that FUGITIVE!


I travel freely within the United States, as I did twice in the past month
and a half.
Your claim above that I have the status of "fugitive" is another example of
your
actionable libels. Beware of your future liability. I don't hide from you, I
reserve
the right to file an action near Pinellas Park on my next annual visit to
Florida,
or in a valid forum more convenient to me.

You may avoid such consequence by absolutely
abandoning the thread between us, and concentrating on your very real
adversaries whom you above claim are more effective against you than I.

Now, before your knee hits your jaw, or your finger hits the keyboard,
THINK.

Bob Hirschfeld, JD


  #318  
Old June 4th 04, 07:42 PM
Bob Hirschfeld, JD
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Default Pangborn

"krp" wrote in message
...
No Bob, I support its use by QUALIFIED experts and NOT on children.
Remember YOU tried to use a Socxial Worker as an EXPERT for you. The

people
I work with all have a Ph.D. or an MD. Yep I do support its use when used

by
QUALIFIED experts and is used appropriately within medical guidelines.


There IS NO legitimate use for use of the Penile Plethysmograph other than
its
original purpose: to determine whether nerve connection exist in paraplegics
to
their lower body, including the penis. There are NO QUALIFIED EXPERTS
on the ersatz use regarding sexual interest resolution, "which type of
sexually
explicit photograph produces a larger microscopic erection." PPG is still
not
scientifically accepted evidence, notwithstanding the flummery of you and
you alleged "experts".


Pangborn's favorite PPG apparatus was prohibited for such minors in

Arizona by the
Appellate Courts, the legislature, and public opinion, because of my

legal
advocacy
representing one of the PPG victims and his mother. The entire $2

million/year
Phoenix Memorial Hospital "Sexuality and Addiction" program for

Juveniles
which
primarily inflicted PPG upon such juvenile boys, was closed within

several
weeks
of the public exposure of the scientifically worthless practice.

Pangborn
made part of his income in those days
by kickbacks from an East Coast fraudulent PPG practitioner, to whom

Pangborn
referred fathers accused of molestation to "prove" that they had no

sexual
interest
in minors. Typical Pangborn Fraud.


WHO would that "EAST COAST fraudulent practitioner" be?
Got a NAME for us Bobby?


I'm sure you know who he is. You've made a lot of fraudulent money
by referring your clients to him.

Let's get something straight, the "program" you refer to was a
rogue operation devised by a UNQUALIFIED social worker. The guy should

have
been neutered for what hee did in his CRACKPOT "averseion therapy?

program,
or at least sent to prison for sexual abuse of the boys in his little
"experiment." That ANY medical device can be ABUSED, Bob is NO secret. Say
Bob, we STILL use the PPG quite effectively. But as ALWAYS Bob, you

believe
yourself to be this GREAT EXPERT on nearly everything. But this is a case

of
you not knowing what you don't know. Your ignorance level on this subject

is
150%.


Nonsense. I am an expert litigator in some disciplines, and certainly the
research
which supported my successful legal prohibition of PPG in AZ entitles
me to some substantial credibility. Use of the PPG for distinguishing
between types of sexual interest, or any establishment of existence of
sexual interest, are charlatanism.


I do not seek respect from Pangborn, who destroyed his own credibility
decades ago.


I have FAR more than YOU Bob!


Now that's REALLY hilarious, Pangborn.



Obviously, you cannot joust with me publicly without immediately

attracting
the hordes of your own enemies. You would be well advised to seek a

lesser
adversary than me.


Hate to tell you Bob, Moore is 10 times the adversary that YOU

are. The
record on you is absolute.There is a little wiggle room for Moore.


Pangborn deserves the dogged, decades-long exposure and opposition from

his
huge number of online detractors, of which one may be named "Moore". I

don't
waste my time with Pangborn, unless he emerges from his kennel and barks
at me. No doubt "Moore" will be pleased at Pangborn's admission quoted
above, regarding "Moore's" persistence and apparent credibility.


He is MORE credible than you Bob. But then so is a tree slug. That's

no
high praise. Moore has not yet been CONVICTED of being a liar, YOU HAVE!


The disbarment was a politically driven civil, not criminal action. There
was no "conviction."


Once again, Pangborn would be well advised to seek a lesser adversary

than
me.


Bob there are NO lesser adversaries than YOU.. You'd better come to grips
with that FUGITIVE!


I travel freely within the United States, as I did twice in the past month
and a half.
Your claim above that I have the status of "fugitive" is another example of
your
actionable libels. Beware of your future liability. I don't hide from you, I
reserve
the right to file an action near Pinellas Park on my next annual visit to
Florida,
or in a valid forum more convenient to me.

You may avoid such consequence by absolutely
abandoning the thread between us, and concentrating on your very real
adversaries whom you above claim are more effective against you than I.

Now, before your knee hits your jaw, or your finger hits the keyboard,
THINK.

Bob Hirschfeld, JD


  #319  
Old June 4th 04, 07:42 PM
Bob Hirschfeld, JD
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Posts: n/a
Default Pangborn

"krp" wrote in message
...
No Bob, I support its use by QUALIFIED experts and NOT on children.
Remember YOU tried to use a Socxial Worker as an EXPERT for you. The

people
I work with all have a Ph.D. or an MD. Yep I do support its use when used

by
QUALIFIED experts and is used appropriately within medical guidelines.


There IS NO legitimate use for use of the Penile Plethysmograph other than
its
original purpose: to determine whether nerve connection exist in paraplegics
to
their lower body, including the penis. There are NO QUALIFIED EXPERTS
on the ersatz use regarding sexual interest resolution, "which type of
sexually
explicit photograph produces a larger microscopic erection." PPG is still
not
scientifically accepted evidence, notwithstanding the flummery of you and
you alleged "experts".


Pangborn's favorite PPG apparatus was prohibited for such minors in

Arizona by the
Appellate Courts, the legislature, and public opinion, because of my

legal
advocacy
representing one of the PPG victims and his mother. The entire $2

million/year
Phoenix Memorial Hospital "Sexuality and Addiction" program for

Juveniles
which
primarily inflicted PPG upon such juvenile boys, was closed within

several
weeks
of the public exposure of the scientifically worthless practice.

Pangborn
made part of his income in those days
by kickbacks from an East Coast fraudulent PPG practitioner, to whom

Pangborn
referred fathers accused of molestation to "prove" that they had no

sexual
interest
in minors. Typical Pangborn Fraud.


WHO would that "EAST COAST fraudulent practitioner" be?
Got a NAME for us Bobby?


I'm sure you know who he is. You've made a lot of fraudulent money
by referring your clients to him.

Let's get something straight, the "program" you refer to was a
rogue operation devised by a UNQUALIFIED social worker. The guy should

have
been neutered for what hee did in his CRACKPOT "averseion therapy?

program,
or at least sent to prison for sexual abuse of the boys in his little
"experiment." That ANY medical device can be ABUSED, Bob is NO secret. Say
Bob, we STILL use the PPG quite effectively. But as ALWAYS Bob, you

believe
yourself to be this GREAT EXPERT on nearly everything. But this is a case

of
you not knowing what you don't know. Your ignorance level on this subject

is
150%.


Nonsense. I am an expert litigator in some disciplines, and certainly the
research
which supported my successful legal prohibition of PPG in AZ entitles
me to some substantial credibility. Use of the PPG for distinguishing
between types of sexual interest, or any establishment of existence of
sexual interest, are charlatanism.


I do not seek respect from Pangborn, who destroyed his own credibility
decades ago.


I have FAR more than YOU Bob!


Now that's REALLY hilarious, Pangborn.



Obviously, you cannot joust with me publicly without immediately

attracting
the hordes of your own enemies. You would be well advised to seek a

lesser
adversary than me.


Hate to tell you Bob, Moore is 10 times the adversary that YOU

are. The
record on you is absolute.There is a little wiggle room for Moore.


Pangborn deserves the dogged, decades-long exposure and opposition from

his
huge number of online detractors, of which one may be named "Moore". I

don't
waste my time with Pangborn, unless he emerges from his kennel and barks
at me. No doubt "Moore" will be pleased at Pangborn's admission quoted
above, regarding "Moore's" persistence and apparent credibility.


He is MORE credible than you Bob. But then so is a tree slug. That's

no
high praise. Moore has not yet been CONVICTED of being a liar, YOU HAVE!


The disbarment was a politically driven civil, not criminal action. There
was no "conviction."


Once again, Pangborn would be well advised to seek a lesser adversary

than
me.


Bob there are NO lesser adversaries than YOU.. You'd better come to grips
with that FUGITIVE!


I travel freely within the United States, as I did twice in the past month
and a half.
Your claim above that I have the status of "fugitive" is another example of
your
actionable libels. Beware of your future liability. I don't hide from you, I
reserve
the right to file an action near Pinellas Park on my next annual visit to
Florida,
or in a valid forum more convenient to me.

You may avoid such consequence by absolutely
abandoning the thread between us, and concentrating on your very real
adversaries whom you above claim are more effective against you than I.

Now, before your knee hits your jaw, or your finger hits the keyboard,
THINK.

Bob Hirschfeld, JD


  #320  
Old June 5th 04, 02:09 AM
krp
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Default Hirschfeld threats!

"Bob Hirschfeld, JD" wrote in message
s.com...

There IS NO legitimate use for use of the Penile Plethysmograph other than

its
original purpose: to determine whether nerve connection exist in

paraplegics to
their lower body, including the penis. There are NO QUALIFIED EXPERTS
on the ersatz use regarding sexual interest resolution, "which type of

sexually
explicit photograph produces a larger microscopic erection." PPG is still

not
scientifically accepted evidence, notwithstanding the flummery of you and
you alleged "experts".


Hirschfeld you remain suffering compound ingorance. You don't even know
what you don't know. The PPG .... HAS been accepted under the Frye standards
in several states. I think 19 at this point. YOU chave never seen one, have
ZERO idea how they operate. And the PPG is NOW accepted within Psychology
and Psychiatry. I won't argue with an ASS weho has ZERO concept of the state
of science. Hell, Bob, I don't think you can even SPELL science. Your claims
to the contrary date back to your HUGE VICTORY in the 80's. Don't let me
break this to you Bobby, know what a CD is? How about a DVD? Technology has
m,oved a liuttle bit since the STONE AGE that YOU live in in your mountain
HIDEaway in Meeeehhhheeeeco Bob! The research in the PPG is SOLID and
accaptance EVEN IN ARIZONA you TWERP is established as well..

WHO would that "EAST COAST fraudulent practitioner" be?
Got a NAME for us Bobby?


I'm sure you know who he is. You've made a lot of fraudulent money
by referring your clients to him.


Ah so you have NO such NAME Bob., Thought so! Just More Hirschfeld
BULL**** one more LIE from a professional CONVICTED liar! Just one more
claim you have MADE UP!

Nonsense. I am an expert litigator in some disciplines, and certainly the

research
which supported my successful legal prohibition of PPG in AZ entitles
me to some substantial credibility. Use of the PPG for distinguishing
between types of sexual interest, or any establishment of existence of
sexual interest, are charlatanism.


You are an expert at NOTHING Hirshfeld except making fraudulent claims.
The problem with the PPG in Arizona was that it was being used by a person
TOTALLY UNQUALIFIED to use it. A social worker with ZERO training on its
use, and using it on a child to satisfy his own twisted sexual interests.
But that was the 1980's bob. This IS, in case you have failed to notice, the
year 2004. Lots has changed, including weeding out the social workers and
high school drop out cops using the PPG inappropriately There is now a
professional organization that has set standards for the administration of
PPG evaluations, but you ALWAYS have proceeded with fragmentary knowledge
and made WILD and UNTRUE claims, which is what cost you your law license.

I do not seek respect from Pangborn, who destroyed his own credibility
decades ago.


I have FAR more than YOU Bob!


Now that's REALLY hilarious, Pangborn.


I still HAVE my licenses Bobby. I was NEVER convicted of being a LIAR
Bob, YOU have been more than once!

Once again, Pangborn would be well advised to seek a lesser adversary

than me.

Bob there are NO lesser adversaries than YOU.. You'd better come to

grips
with that FUGITIVE!


I travel freely within the United States, as I did twice in the past month

and a half.
Your claim above that I have the status of "fugitive" is another example

of your
actionable libels. Beware of your future liability. I don't hide from you,

I reserve
the right to file an action near Pinellas Park on my next annual visit to

Florida,
or in a valid forum more convenient to me.


Bob you are welcome to do that, you'll find that if you did, it would
wind up being a suppository you'd have difficulty removing. I didn't say you
were a fugitive from the law, but we both know that you have some former
clients who have threatened to beat you into a bloody pulp. I don't see you
standing up to THEM Bob!

You may avoid such consequence by absolutely
abandoning the thread between us, and concentrating on your very real
adversaries whom you above claim are more effective against you than I.


Hirschfeld YOU have tried your pathetic blackmail threats on me in the
past. I will answer you today the same way I answered you in 1982... "SCREW
YOU HIRSCHFELD.... GO FOR IT!" Just remember Bob.......... RULE 11! I will
cram that SO FAR up your pipe that you will speak like a sopranno for the
rest of your life, GOT IT? The TRUTH is an ABSOLUTE defense. Go scare some
children Bob!


Now, before your knee hits your jaw, or your finger hits the keyboard,
THINK.


BRING IT ON BOB! NOBODY is afraid of a DISGRACED DISBARRED EX LAWYER!




 




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