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"LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:mmpge.74270$WI3.66141@attbi_s71... "Mark Probert" Mark wrote in message ... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:4Kbge.69305$r53.42743@attbi_s21... "Mark Probert" Mark wrote in message ... The CSPI monograph on AD/HD refers to several of these studies. The model used was double blind, cross-over challenge. For one thing, sugar having a role was soundly debunked. While that is true, sugar certain does make kids hyper!!!!! Not necessarily YES ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!! Forget any crossover study, ask any teacher!!!!!!!! I have. They agree with me. There are MANY factors that will affect what I like to call situational hyperactivity. Example: A child attends a day camp which has several activity periods. First period: Playground Second period: Free swimming Third period: Free play Fourth period: Arts & Crafts. A&C teacher tells parents kid is hyperactive after kid has had three periods of unstructured activity. LL/Jan . In the crossover challenge studies, kids whose parents "absolutely knew when they had consumed sugar" were given either a placebo or sugar, and then switched. The parents were not able to accurately select those times when the kids got sugar. LL/Jan "Beth Kevles" wrote in message ... Hi -- I'd be curious to know about the studies that 00doc cites, about the parents who couldn't tell if their kids had been given "trigger" foods. Do you have the cites available? By the way, I'll strongly second the notion of having some sort of a double-blind test of trigger foods before accepting a diagnosis of food intolerance. --Beth Kevles http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as medical advice. Please consult with your own medical practicioner. NOTE: No email is read at my MIT address. Use the AOL one if you would like me to reply. |
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"LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:Cppge.74272$WI3.38713@attbi_s71... "Mark Probert" Mark wrote in message ... "Brad_Chad" wrote in message oups.com... I think the U.S. Government spent about $7 million on food allergy research in 2001. When you consider all the medical conditions that it is implicated in, the government doesn't spend nearly enough. OK, so you do not want to read about studies that have been done. Like. Mark who just read and didn't see the words NIH mentioned,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Brad Chad did not mention the NIH in this thread. I regularly review their website and read what is relevant. I am aware of their position on food allergies, and I agree that food allergies should be ruled out before diagnosing AD/HD. If a child is found to have food allergies that cause their behavior problems, that is a GOOD THING, as it can be addressed with the appropriate treatment. If food allergies are ruled out, then the child must have their problems addressed by a different appropriate treatment. This has been my position all along, it is nothing new. |
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"LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:s3wge.72386$NU4.1341@attbi_s22... Sometimes it is better to keep quiet and have others suspect that you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". Sometimes it is better to keep quiet and have others suspect that you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". LiarLollipop is plagiarizing again. These unattributed words were stolen from Mark Twain. Twice. --Rich |
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"Mark Probert" Mark wrote in message ... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:mmpge.74270$WI3.66141@attbi_s71... "Mark Probert" Mark wrote in message ... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:4Kbge.69305$r53.42743@attbi_s21... "Mark Probert" Mark wrote in message ... The CSPI monograph on AD/HD refers to several of these studies. The model used was double blind, cross-over challenge. For one thing, sugar having a role was soundly debunked. While that is true, sugar certain does make kids hyper!!!!! Not necessarily YES ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!! Forget any crossover study, ask any teacher!!!!!!!! I have. They agree with me. There are MANY factors that will affect what I like to call situational hyperactivity. Example: A child attends a day camp which has several activity periods. First period: Playground Second period: Free swimming Third period: Free play Fourth period: Arts & Crafts. A&C teacher tells parents kid is hyperactive after kid has had three periods of unstructured activity. Camp is a bit different than daycare. For example a Halloween Party. On a rainy day. LL/Jan . In the crossover challenge studies, kids whose parents "absolutely knew when they had consumed sugar" were given either a placebo or sugar, and then switched. The parents were not able to accurately select those times when the kids got sugar. LL/Jan "Beth Kevles" wrote in message ... Hi -- I'd be curious to know about the studies that 00doc cites, about the parents who couldn't tell if their kids had been given "trigger" foods. Do you have the cites available? By the way, I'll strongly second the notion of having some sort of a double-blind test of trigger foods before accepting a diagnosis of food intolerance. --Beth Kevles http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as medical advice. Please consult with your own medical practicioner. NOTE: No email is read at my MIT address. Use the AOL one if you would like me to reply. |
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"LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:s3wge.72386$NU4.1341@attbi_s22... "Mark Probert" Mark wrote in message (...) In the area of AD/HD research, citing a book, etc. written 1998 is the equivalent of citing King Tut. Mark is correct that the info in a book from about 8 years ago (a book is typically about a year out of date when it is published) is old. In addition, there was a lot of information that indicated that ADHD was a real problem involving the biochemistry of the brain, even back in 1997. Sometimes it is better to keep quiet and have others suspect that you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". Then LadyLollipop had better learn to keep quiet. ... Jeff |
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"Rich" wrote in message ... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:s3wge.72386$NU4.1341@attbi_s22... Sometimes it is better to keep quiet and have others suspect that you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". Sometimes it is better to keep quiet and have others suspect that you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". LiarLollipop is plagiarizing again. These unattributed words were stolen from Mark Twain. Twice. --Rich A shame she doesn't take her own advice. |
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"Jeff" wrote in message nk.net... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:s3wge.72386$NU4.1341@attbi_s22... "Mark Probert" Mark wrote in message (...) In the area of AD/HD research, citing a book, etc. written 1998 is the equivalent of citing King Tut. Mark is correct that the info in a book from about 8 years ago (a book is typically about a year out of date when it is published) is old. Mark diverted from the subject. In addition, there was a lot of information that indicated that ADHD was a real problem involving the biochemistry of the brain, even back in 1997. What Mark stated was:The DSM IV clearly delineates the diagnostic criteria for AD/HD. The AAP has published diagnostic and treatment protocols. However, there is no doubt that the diagnosis and treatment remain in the forefront of discussion amongst professionals, and this is a good thing, not bad as you seem to imply. Refining, learning, studying is good. You can do your homework and learn more about AD/HD by visiting the appropriate websites. I did just that, and you can note it isn't any different that what I posted. Mark just want to argue, and so do all the *gang*. http://www.adhdinfo.com/hcp/about/hc...osing_adhd.jsp Although there is no single medical test that can accurately diagnose ADHD, clinical diagnostic criteria have been developed and refined. There are a number of assessment scales used to diagnose ADHD and measure the effectiveness of ADHD therapies. Some of the more popular assessment tools include the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th Edition (DSM-IV) ADHD criteria, the Conner's/CADS Scale, the SKAMP, and CGI-I scales. The American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines for diagnosing ADHD include:1 Evaluate any child 6 to 12 years of age who shows signs of school difficulties, academic underachievement, troublesome relationships with teachers, family members, peers, and other behavioral problems. Use DSM-IV criteria; these require that ADHD symptoms be present in 2 or more of a child's settings, and that the symptoms adversely affect the child's academic or social functioning for at least 6 months. Requires information from parents or caregivers and a teacher or other school professional regarding core symptoms of ADHD in various settings, age of onset, duration of symptoms, and degree of impairment. Assessment for co-existing conditions: learning and language problems, aggression, disruptive behavior, depression or anxiety. Primary symptoms of ADHD include hyperactivity, inattention, and impulsivity. Children with ADHD may demonstrate 1, 2, or all 3 of these core symptoms, as outlined in the DSM-IV. Behavioral examples of these core symptoms include2: 1. Hyperactivity Roaming around a room Talking incessantly Inability to sit through a lesson 2. Inattention Difficulty in filtering out unnecessary distractions Being distracted or sidetracked by the movement of people or of objects 3. Impulsivity Acting before thinking Demonstrating a very short temper Behavior that includes yelling or hitting While children without ADHD may also occasionally demonstrate some of these symptoms, those with ADHD exhibit them across multiple settings, thus impairing the child's ability to function academically or socially on a daily basis. ADHD contains subtypes with predominant traits. Therefore, a child without hyperactivity can still be affected by the disorder. The subtypes include: An inattentive subtype A hyperactive-impulsive subtype A combined subtype Although boys are about 2 to 4 times as likely as girls to have ADHD,3,4 girls are frequently diagnosed with the predominantly inattentive subtype5. Children with ADHD often suffer from co-existing conditions, such as: Conduct disorders, described by the DSM-IV as "repetitive and persistent pattern(s) of behavior in which the basic rights of others or major age-appropriate societal norms or rules are violated (30%-50%)6 Oppositional defiant disorder, defined by the DSM-IV as "a recurrent of negativistic, defiant, disobedient, and hostile behavior toward authority figures that persists for at least 6 months" (up to 40%)7 Mood disorders (15%-20%)8 Anxiety disorders (20%-25%)9 References 1.. American Academy of Pediatrics. Diagnosis and evaluation of the child with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. Pediatrics. 2000;105:1158-1170. 2.. American Psychiatric Association. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. DSM-IV-TR. In: Disorders Usually First Diagnosed in Infancy, Childhood, or Adolescence: Diagnostic Criteria for Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Association; 1994:92-93. 3.. National Institute of Mental Health. National Institutes of Health. Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Available at: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/helpchild.cfm. Accessed April 19, 2002. 4.. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Mental Health: A Report of the Surgeon General. Available at: http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/librar...ter3/sec4.html. Accessed April 19, 2002. 5.. Dulcan M. Practice parameters for the assessment and treatment of children, adolescents, and adults with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. J Am Acad Child Adolesc Psychiatry. 1997;369(suppl):855-1215. 6.. American Psychiatric Association. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. DSM-IV-TR. In: Disorders Usually First Diagnosed in Infancy, Childhood, or Adolescence: Diagnostic Criteria for Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Association; 1994:92-93. 7.. American Psychiatric Association. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. DSM-IV-TR. In: Disorders Usually First Diagnosed in Infancy, Childhood, or Adolescence: Diagnostic Criteria for Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Association; 1994:92-93. 8.. National Institute of Mental Health. National Institutes of Health. Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder-questions and answers. Available at: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/adhdqa.cfm. Accessed April 19, 2002. 9.. National Institute of Mental Health. National Institutes of Health. Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder-questions and answers. Available at: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/adhdqa.cfm. Accessed April 19, ========== What I posted says much the same thing: === Article Last Updated: Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 9:13:03 AM PST Study reviews medicated kids By Rebecca Vesely, STAFF WRITER An unusual study is under way at the University of California, Berkeley, that could help parents, doctors, teachers and lawmakers better grasp the economic and social reasons why some kids are receiving drug therapy for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD. Dr. Richard Scheffler, a UC Berkeley professor of health economics and public policy, and Dr. Stephen Hinshaw, a psychology professor and leading expert on ADHD, last month received a $900,000 grant from the National Institutes of Mental Health for the three-year project. Unlike most studies that look at the effects of psychostimulant drugs -- such as Ritalin -- on kids diagnosed with ADHD, researchers aim to uncover the economic and policy issues behind prescription trends. "There's enormous variation in the use of these drugs across state lines and communities," Scheffler said. ADHD is the most commonly diagnosed behavioral disorder in children. In the decade leading up to 2001, the number of people -- mostly children -- diagnosed with ADHD grew fivefold, from 900,000 to 4.5 million, according to the National Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That rise coincided with national policy changes that allowed children with ADHD to receive special accommodations at school. Ritalin on the rise At the same time, the number of prescriptions for Ritalin, Adderall and other psychostimulants to treat ADHD rose by about 50 percent over the past decade. Using data from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency, researchers will track shipments of these drugs to the pharmacies dispensing them to see which communities are heavy prescribers. In addition, they will drill down into those communities and examine underlying policy decisions, teacher influence and health care issues, such as access to child psychiatrists. Clinical research isn't telling the whole story, Hinshaw said. "All this research is taking place against a backdrop of quickly changing market forces and treatment practices," he said. Some states have enacted legislation that limits school influence in drug treatment of ADHD. In Connecticut, it's illegal for school staff members to discuss ADHD treatment with parents. To get a better picture of treatment and diagnosis, UC Berkeley researchers will have access to the medical records of 14,000 children enrolled with Kaiser Permanente Northern California. This piece of the puzzle is key, the researchers said, because the patient records will include information about race, ethnicity, family history, area of residence and compliance in drug therapy. "Are poorer kids being underdiagnosed and rich kids being overmedicated? We hope to get a sense of that," Scheffler said. The study is the first of its kind -- and atypical of what the National Institutes of Mental Health usually funds, a spokesman for the federal grant-making and research institute said, because of the focus on sociology and economics of drug therapy. Testing for ADHD Skepticism about drug treatment for ADHD relates to the ambiguous nature of diagnosis and stigma surrounding mental illness, Hinshaw said. There is no test for ADHD. Rather, diagnosis is based on observed behavior and family and medical history. When left untreated, ADHD can have a significant affect on a child's growth and development. Studies have shown that untreated children with ADHD have higher rates of school failure, underemployment, illicit drug and alcohol use and accidental injuries. "The problem is many practitioners don't follow well-established guidelines for diagnosis and treatment," Hinshaw said. "There's a brief pediatric visit and sporadic follow-up and monitoring. Some kids are diagnosed too quickly and some, such as girls or inner city children, may get ignored and underdiagnosed. You need an accurate diagnosis first." Sometimes it is better to keep quiet and have others suspect that you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". Then LadyLollipop had better learn to keep quiet. ... Jeff Uh huh. Perhaps, it is the *gang* who just got exposed. LL/Jan |
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"LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:TUzge.75012$c24.55108@attbi_s72... "Jeff" wrote in message nk.net... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:s3wge.72386$NU4.1341@attbi_s22... "Mark Probert" Mark wrote in message (...) In the area of AD/HD research, citing a book, etc. written 1998 is the equivalent of citing King Tut. Mark is correct that the info in a book from about 8 years ago (a book is typically about a year out of date when it is published) is old. Mark diverted from the subject. In a word, bull****. YOU posted the crap from this so-called "nationally known" expert whose sole contribution to medical knowledge is a letter written to one medical journal. I was addressing the crap that YOU quoted. For YOU to say that I was the person who diverted is an outright lie. In addition, there was a lot of information that indicated that ADHD was a real problem involving the biochemistry of the brain, even back in 1997. What Mark stated was:The DSM IV clearly delineates the diagnostic criteria for AD/HD. The The DSM IV surely does this. If you disagree, then explain why I am wrong. The criteria are listed and the AAP provides separate published diagnostic and treatment protocols. Those are facts. AAP has published diagnostic and treatment protocols. However, there is no doubt that the diagnosis and treatment remain in the forefront of discussion amongst professionals, and this is a good thing, not bad as you seem to imply. Refining, learning, studying is good. You can do your homework and learn more about AD/HD by visiting the appropriate websites. I did just that, and you can note it isn't any different that what I posted. Mark just want to argue, and so do all the *gang*. http://www.adhdinfo.com/hcp/about/hc...osing_adhd.jsp No, I do not just want to argue, I want to post precise information. While that website is better than most, it is not as clear and specific as taking the DSM IV, and the two protocols published by the AAP. Although there is no single medical test that can accurately diagnose ADHD, clinical diagnostic criteria have been developed and refined. There are a number of assessment scales used to diagnose ADHD and measure the effectiveness of ADHD therapies. Some of the more popular assessment tools include the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th Edition (DSM-IV) ADHD criteria, the Conner's/CADS Scale, the SKAMP, and CGI-I scales. The American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines for diagnosing ADHD include:1 Evaluate any child 6 to 12 years of age who shows signs of school difficulties, academic underachievement, troublesome relationships with teachers, family members, peers, and other behavioral problems. Use DSM-IV criteria; these require that ADHD symptoms be present in 2 or more of a child's settings, and that the symptoms adversely affect the child's academic or social functioning for at least 6 months. Requires information from parents or caregivers and a teacher or other school professional regarding core symptoms of ADHD in various settings, age of onset, duration of symptoms, and degree of impairment. Assessment for co-existing conditions: learning and language problems, aggression, disruptive behavior, depression or anxiety. Primary symptoms of ADHD include hyperactivity, inattention, and impulsivity. Children with ADHD may demonstrate 1, 2, or all 3 of these core symptoms, as outlined in the DSM-IV. Behavioral examples of these core symptoms include2: 1. Hyperactivity Roaming around a room Talking incessantly Inability to sit through a lesson 2. Inattention Difficulty in filtering out unnecessary distractions Being distracted or sidetracked by the movement of people or of objects 3. Impulsivity Acting before thinking Demonstrating a very short temper Behavior that includes yelling or hitting While children without ADHD may also occasionally demonstrate some of these symptoms, those with ADHD exhibit them across multiple settings, thus impairing the child's ability to function academically or socially on a daily basis. ADHD contains subtypes with predominant traits. Therefore, a child without hyperactivity can still be affected by the disorder. The subtypes include: An inattentive subtype A hyperactive-impulsive subtype A combined subtype Although boys are about 2 to 4 times as likely as girls to have ADHD,3,4 girls are frequently diagnosed with the predominantly inattentive subtype5. Children with ADHD often suffer from co-existing conditions, such as: Conduct disorders, described by the DSM-IV as "repetitive and persistent pattern(s) of behavior in which the basic rights of others or major age-appropriate societal norms or rules are violated (30%-50%)6 Oppositional defiant disorder, defined by the DSM-IV as "a recurrent of negativistic, defiant, disobedient, and hostile behavior toward authority figures that persists for at least 6 months" (up to 40%)7 Mood disorders (15%-20%)8 Anxiety disorders (20%-25%)9 References 1.. American Academy of Pediatrics. Diagnosis and evaluation of the child with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. Pediatrics. 2000;105:1158-1170. 2.. American Psychiatric Association. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. DSM-IV-TR. In: Disorders Usually First Diagnosed in Infancy, Childhood, or Adolescence: Diagnostic Criteria for Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Association; 1994:92-93. 3.. National Institute of Mental Health. National Institutes of Health. Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Available at: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/helpchild.cfm. Accessed April 19, 2002. 4.. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Mental Health: A Report of the Surgeon General. Available at: http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/librar...ter3/sec4.html. Accessed April 19, 2002. 5.. Dulcan M. Practice parameters for the assessment and treatment of children, adolescents, and adults with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. J Am Acad Child Adolesc Psychiatry. 1997;369(suppl):855-1215. 6.. American Psychiatric Association. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. DSM-IV-TR. In: Disorders Usually First Diagnosed in Infancy, Childhood, or Adolescence: Diagnostic Criteria for Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Association; 1994:92-93. 7.. American Psychiatric Association. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. DSM-IV-TR. In: Disorders Usually First Diagnosed in Infancy, Childhood, or Adolescence: Diagnostic Criteria for Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Association; 1994:92-93. 8.. National Institute of Mental Health. National Institutes of Health. Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder-questions and answers. Available at: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/adhdqa.cfm. Accessed April 19, 2002. 9.. National Institute of Mental Health. National Institutes of Health. Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder-questions and answers. Available at: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/adhdqa.cfm. Accessed April 19, ========== What I posted says much the same thing: === Article Last Updated: Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 9:13:03 AM PST "Much the same thing" is NOT the same thing as the actual criteria and treatment protocols. Study reviews medicated kids By Rebecca Vesely, STAFF WRITER An unusual study is under way at the University of California, Berkeley, that could help parents, doctors, teachers and lawmakers better grasp the economic and social reasons why some kids are receiving drug therapy for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD. Dr. Richard Scheffler, a UC Berkeley professor of health economics and public policy, and Dr. Stephen Hinshaw, a psychology professor and leading expert on ADHD, last month received a $900,000 grant from the National Institutes of Mental Health for the three-year project. Unlike most studies that look at the effects of psychostimulant drugs -- such as Ritalin -- on kids diagnosed with ADHD, researchers aim to uncover the economic and policy issues behind prescription trends. "There's enormous variation in the use of these drugs across state lines and communities," Scheffler said. ADHD is the most commonly diagnosed behavioral disorder in children. In the decade leading up to 2001, the number of people -- mostly children -- diagnosed with ADHD grew fivefold, from 900,000 to 4.5 million, according to the National Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That rise coincided with national policy changes that allowed children with ADHD to receive special accommodations at school. Ritalin on the rise At the same time, the number of prescriptions for Ritalin, Adderall and other psychostimulants to treat ADHD rose by about 50 percent over the past decade. Using data from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency, researchers will track shipments of these drugs to the pharmacies dispensing them to see which communities are heavy prescribers. In addition, they will drill down into those communities and examine underlying policy decisions, teacher influence and health care issues, such as access to child psychiatrists. Clinical research isn't telling the whole story, Hinshaw said. "All this research is taking place against a backdrop of quickly changing market forces and treatment practices," he said. Some states have enacted legislation that limits school influence in drug treatment of ADHD. In Connecticut, it's illegal for school staff members to discuss ADHD treatment with parents. To get a better picture of treatment and diagnosis, UC Berkeley researchers will have access to the medical records of 14,000 children enrolled with Kaiser Permanente Northern California. This piece of the puzzle is key, the researchers said, because the patient records will include information about race, ethnicity, family history, area of residence and compliance in drug therapy. "Are poorer kids being underdiagnosed and rich kids being overmedicated? We hope to get a sense of that," Scheffler said. The study is the first of its kind -- and atypical of what the National Institutes of Mental Health usually funds, a spokesman for the federal grant-making and research institute said, because of the focus on sociology and economics of drug therapy. Testing for ADHD Skepticism about drug treatment for ADHD relates to the ambiguous nature of diagnosis and stigma surrounding mental illness, Hinshaw said. There is no test for ADHD. Rather, diagnosis is based on observed behavior and family and medical history. When left untreated, ADHD can have a significant affect on a child's growth and development. Studies have shown that untreated children with ADHD have higher rates of school failure, underemployment, illicit drug and alcohol use and accidental injuries. "The problem is many practitioners don't follow well-established guidelines for diagnosis and treatment," Hinshaw said. "There's a brief pediatric visit and sporadic follow-up and monitoring. Some kids are diagnosed too quickly and some, such as girls or inner city children, may get ignored and underdiagnosed. You need an accurate diagnosis first." Sometimes it is better to keep quiet and have others suspect that you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". Then LadyLollipop had better learn to keep quiet. ... Jeff Uh huh. Perhaps, it is the *gang* who just got exposed. No one got exposed. The study you referenced above is interesting, and, unlike you, I do not draw any conclusions prior to the findings being reported. |
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"LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:hBwge.71615$r53.16627@attbi_s21... "Mark Probert" Mark wrote in message ... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:mmpge.74270$WI3.66141@attbi_s71... "Mark Probert" Mark wrote in message ... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:4Kbge.69305$r53.42743@attbi_s21... "Mark Probert" Mark wrote in message ... The CSPI monograph on AD/HD refers to several of these studies. The model used was double blind, cross-over challenge. For one thing, sugar having a role was soundly debunked. While that is true, sugar certain does make kids hyper!!!!! Not necessarily YES ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!! Forget any crossover study, ask any teacher!!!!!!!! I have. They agree with me. There are MANY factors that will affect what I like to call situational hyperactivity. Example: A child attends a day camp which has several activity periods. First period: Playground Second period: Free swimming Third period: Free play Fourth period: Arts & Crafts. A&C teacher tells parents kid is hyperactive after kid has had three periods of unstructured activity. Camp is a bit different than daycare. For example a Halloween Party. On a rainy day. So, the kiddies were confined and could not burn off their excess energy by playing outside. LL/Jan . In the crossover challenge studies, kids whose parents "absolutely knew when they had consumed sugar" were given either a placebo or sugar, and then switched. The parents were not able to accurately select those times when the kids got sugar. LL/Jan "Beth Kevles" wrote in message ... Hi -- I'd be curious to know about the studies that 00doc cites, about the parents who couldn't tell if their kids had been given "trigger" foods. Do you have the cites available? By the way, I'll strongly second the notion of having some sort of a double-blind test of trigger foods before accepting a diagnosis of food intolerance. --Beth Kevles http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as medical advice. Please consult with your own medical practicioner. NOTE: No email is read at my MIT address. Use the AOL one if you would like me to reply. |
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