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"Karen O'Mara" wrote in message
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"V" wrote in message
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Net Nanny.
Get it.
Use it.

When do you stop Net Nanny? A certain age? When they move out?

Of course!


Do you
install cameras in their room, search their backpacks, tap the phone,
read their diaries? I mean, at some point, you gotta know your kid and

Yes, and the poster knows her kid has done the online thing wrong...and now
she is trying to guide her properly.


you know when it's time to let them make some of these decisions for
themselves.

That is what a lot of liberal parents say when they are bailing their kids out
of jail. Remember Karen, I work this field, I know what I am talking about.
Kids need structured, consistent, and an enviroment where they earn trust. ...
just as an adult in the world.

You can't keep them in a cave and then release them at 18
years old. Letting kids be responsible for a lot of these connections
can really help them learn to make good decisions when they're older.


That is not the plan. The issue is to keep her little hiney from misusing the
computer. It is called being accountable.
V

Karen

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"Cele" wrote in message
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On 28 Sep 2004 21:11:50 -0700, (Karen O'Mara) wrote:

"V" wrote in message
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Net Nanny.
Get it.
Use it.

When do you stop Net Nanny? A certain age? When they move out? Do you
install cameras in their room, search their backpacks, tap the phone,
read their diaries? I mean, at some point, you gotta know your kid
and
you know when it's time to let them make some of these decisions for
themselves. You can't keep them in a cave and then release them at 18
years old. Letting kids be responsible for a lot of these connections
can really help them learn to make good decisions when they're older.

Karen

Absolutely. They don't wake up adults on their magic birthday without
practising for adulthood first. :-)

Cele

I agree.......just like drinking.....I think it is absurd the way the
drinking age laws are established and enforced.....as if turning 21 (or
19
across the border) somehow magically makes you mature and responsible.





I agree there is no magic age, each child is different and matures. I
think
though that child must be watched and protected. I believe what some are
saying is that using things like Net Nanny is invasive and intrusive and
child should be trusted... treated like adults in order for them to learn
to
act like adults. Thing is, my kid is FAR from an adult. She is a
confused -
barely teenager - in the body of a women, raging hormones and all. My
concerns are NOT of her reading porno or looking at websites that teach
you
how to build a bomb. My concern is BOYS. (Yeah, Paul, you get that part,
right? lol) I have already caught her talking smack on the phone, not
once
either. I know that she has kissed and I don't think it was just a nice
one
on the cheek. Where? The school yard, waiting for the buses to come. She
did
tell me after some prying. Would she come to me if she was thinking of
taking things farther? I doubt it. No matter how I tell her to trust me,
that we would have her put on BC, ect. I still can't say for sure she
would
talk to me first. Would she talk to another adult? I hope so. So if
monitoring her online chats someday tell me that she is talking about
getting it on with some dude at the next football game, and I can bring
up
a
nice talk about it BEFORE it happens and MAYBE prevent if for another few
months or years...... then I think it is well worth it. Besides, it was
the
condition of her being able to use AIM again. She knows it is being
monitored.

Sorry, ranting on and on.

T


Forutnately, mine is still embarrassed about buying a bra. :-)

But "I know it won't last too much longer







Even with her mom? I can see it can be embarrassing with Dad. My daughter
has gotten over that embarrassing moment. She even let me take her to
Victoria Secret to get properly fitted. When it came to buying though, we
went elsewhere. $40.00 for a bra is nuts. lol

T

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"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"Cele" wrote in message
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On 28 Sep 2004 21:11:50 -0700, (Karen O'Mara)
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"V" wrote in message
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Net Nanny.
Get it.
Use it.

When do you stop Net Nanny? A certain age? When they move out? Do
you
install cameras in their room, search their backpacks, tap the
phone,
read their diaries? I mean, at some point, you gotta know your kid
and
you know when it's time to let them make some of these decisions
for
themselves. You can't keep them in a cave and then release them at
18
years old. Letting kids be responsible for a lot of these
connections
can really help them learn to make good decisions when they're
older.

Karen

Absolutely. They don't wake up adults on their magic birthday
without
practising for adulthood first. :-)

Cele

I agree.......just like drinking.....I think it is absurd the way
the
drinking age laws are established and enforced.....as if turning 21
(or
19
across the border) somehow magically makes you mature and
responsible.





I agree there is no magic age, each child is different and matures. I
think
though that child must be watched and protected. I believe what some
are
saying is that using things like Net Nanny is invasive and intrusive
and
child should be trusted... treated like adults in order for them to
learn
to
act like adults. Thing is, my kid is FAR from an adult. She is a
confused -
barely teenager - in the body of a women, raging hormones and all. My
concerns are NOT of her reading porno or looking at websites that teach
you
how to build a bomb. My concern is BOYS. (Yeah, Paul, you get that
part,
right? lol) I have already caught her talking smack on the phone, not
once
either. I know that she has kissed and I don't think it was just a nice
one
on the cheek. Where? The school yard, waiting for the buses to come.
She
did
tell me after some prying. Would she come to me if she was thinking of
taking things farther? I doubt it. No matter how I tell her to trust
me,
that we would have her put on BC, ect. I still can't say for sure she
would
talk to me first. Would she talk to another adult? I hope so. So if
monitoring her online chats someday tell me that she is talking about
getting it on with some dude at the next football game, and I can bring
up
a
nice talk about it BEFORE it happens and MAYBE prevent if for another
few
months or years...... then I think it is well worth it. Besides, it was
the
condition of her being able to use AIM again. She knows it is being
monitored.

Sorry, ranting on and on.

T


Forutnately, mine is still embarrassed about buying a bra. :-)

But "I know it won't last too much longer







Even with her mom? I can see it can be embarrassing with Dad. My daughter
has gotten over that embarrassing moment. She even let me take her to
Victoria Secret to get properly fitted. When it came to buying though, we
went elsewhere. $40.00 for a bra is nuts. lol

Yes, with her mom.....there is no way she would let me go shopping with her
for THAT.....(or a few other items) LOL

Her mom tells me the stories of her hiding bras under other clothes is
someone happens to walk into the area.



T

Forutnately, mine is still embarrassed about buying a bra. :-)

Even with her mom?

My daughter was embarrassed. She was also embarrassed the first time I took
her to the counter to get her quality make up for her skating competiion! She
answered in monosybolic sentences when asked what color she liked. I was
looking forward to this special Mom and daughter make up buyin spree- spent 80
bucks and she hardly said a word.

Then I overheard her telling her friends about how her mom I had bought her
this make up and she guards it like it was gold so I guess it meant more to her
than she let on.

But I digress...about bras..

.. My daughter
has gotten over that embarrassing moment. She even let me take her to
Victoria Secret to get properly fitted.

You know, I took advice from here about taking her to Victoria Secret ...what a
disappointment. They didn't measure her - she looked at her and guessed a size
and brought her right away to the padded bras. "Um she's 11 years old" I told
the lady. "Oh all the girls her age are wearing them" Not this one. and we
walked out.

Last time I went in I was snottily told that they don't have size 40 bras and
I'd have to go to the catelog. Yea, make someone feel bad about their bra
size. That'll sell bras.

Joelle
The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St
Augustine
Joelle

"Joelle" wrote in message
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Forutnately, mine is still embarrassed about buying a bra. :-)



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Last time I went in I was snottily told that they don't have size 40 bras
and
I'd have to go to the catelog. Yea, make someone feel bad about their bra
size. That'll sell bras.

Fortunately, that is one issue 'I' don't need to deal with


Joelle
The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St
Augustine
Joelle

"Joelle" wrote in message
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Forutnately, mine is still embarrassed about buying a bra. :-)

Even with her mom?

My daughter was embarrassed. She was also embarrassed the first time I
took
her to the counter to get her quality make up for her skating competiion!
She
answered in monosybolic sentences when asked what color she liked. I was
looking forward to this special Mom and daughter make up buyin spree-
spent 80
bucks and she hardly said a word.

Then I overheard her telling her friends about how her mom I had bought
her
this make up and she guards it like it was gold so I guess it meant more
to her
than she let on.

But I digress...about bras..

. My daughter
has gotten over that embarrassing moment. She even let me take her to
Victoria Secret to get properly fitted.

You know, I took advice from here about taking her to Victoria Secret
...what a
disappointment. They didn't measure her - she looked at her and guessed a
size
and brought her right away to the padded bras. "Um she's 11 years old" I
told
the lady. "Oh all the girls her age are wearing them" Not this one. and
we
walked out.

Last time I went in I was snottily told that they don't have size 40 bras
and
I'd have to go to the catelog. Yea, make someone feel bad about their bra
size. That'll sell bras.

Joelle
The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St
Augustine
Joelle

Wow.... that is major ****ty salesmen ship. Personally, I would have
complained to the higher up's. The place sells $40.00 bra's..... they should
be kissing your ass when you walk in.

Must be something about padded bra's. My daughter is in the situation where
she DOES NOT need padding, no matter what her age. So they are showing us
padded bras. I asked why the hell does someone who wears that size need
padding? Got no answer to that.

I can't believe they didn't measure her though. That is such crap! I also
can say, I know what its like to shop a store and not find your size. (I go
the other way..... way to small.) I can go into Bon-Ton and MAYBE find 1 bra
in the whole bra section.

My daughter was also embarrassed at first about buying bra's. I guess they
just get over it. We have had to buy supportive bra's for some time now, so
I guess that is over with. Now she even enjoys checking out panties. lol

Make-up..... that is so cool that she loves her make-up! Funny how we can
misread a situation. Here she was loving it..... just being quiet. I took my
daughter to a lady to have her show proper application of make-up, because
honestly, I am such a dimwit about that stuff. She acted a bit weird about
that but I saw her utilizing the advice that was given, even to this day.
Whew.

Girls..... they are fun, aren't they?

T

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"Joelle" wrote in message
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Forutnately, mine is still embarrassed about buying a bra. :-)



snip

Last time I went in I was snottily told that they don't have size 40 bras
and
I'd have to go to the catelog. Yea, make someone feel bad about their
bra
size. That'll sell bras.

Fortunately, that is one issue 'I' don't need to deal with


Joelle
The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St
Augustine
Joelle



Why, are you small breasted like me? lmao

T

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"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"Tiffany" wrote in message
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Well, well..... My daughter is now a half-sister. Her fathers
girlfriend
had
the baby over the weekend. She is excited about it..... I honestly
could
care less. (Yes, I am like that. If you can't take care of one kid, you
don't have more.)

Anyways.... I think her Grandfather is going to see the baby as soon as
possible and might take her along. She will enjoy that. She has been
playing
phone tag with the mother but it seems all went well with the delivery.

On another topic, my daughter has been bugging me to download AIM so
she
can
talk with friends online. I had allowed that about 2 years ago until I
walked in and read what was being typed. Cuss words like they were
drunken
sailors. So that was the end of that. Here I am trying it again. I told
her
it is on a trial bases and that I CAN and WILL evaluate what is being
typed
anytime I want. She said ok. I told her if chats get racy, it would be
in
her best interest to make no comments and cut out. So I see AIM doesn't
archive chats. I know there are tons of computer knowledge out in this
group
so can someone direct me to a place I can download a program to save
these
chats, if need arises that I should read??? I know Yahoo archives but I
don't see anything for aim. We do not have AOL btw.

So she puts all her many friends on her list. I signed on just a few
moments
ago and one of her friends was online. I didn't speak to her.....
wonder
why
she isn't in school!?!?!?! She has some poetry that was a bit
disturbing
(youth..... lol) and a link to her personal webpage. You had to click
on
the
word motherf---- to get to it. Yeah, lovely. That page being not so
great
and all did give some incite. I wonder if her mother has read the
site???
There are accusations in the quest book that she is giving head, a
wrist
cutter and some other nice things. She uses cuss words like its
nothing.
She
talks of a make out session though the details of how far it went is
vague.
Did I mention that I won't have my kid over there ever again????????
Why
is
the mom allowing this 13 year old to go to boys houses to 'hang
out'?????
Am
I the only mom that wouldn't allow that????? Am I the odd ball here????

It will be a cold day in hell before mine is allowed to 'hang-out' at
boys
houses. :-)
You are an odd ball.....but not about that heehee


When that day comes, I won't have a problem with girls coming over but no
over-nighters and pfffft ya like you can do homework in your room, not
likely bucko.


Sigh..... I wish I could go back in time. (I watched the Butterfly
Effect
last night... .gets me to thinking, I COULD do it right.)

Tiff

But would you really want to Tiff? There were some really bad hairstyles
back then, not to mention Mc Hammer pants, that right there says it all.

Christine


I didn't wear those ugly pants anyways. lol

T

Yeah neither did I, but you'd be dating boys who think Axle Rose is da ****,
mullets were in, bangs were high and socks over jeans rocked on.

Christine

"Joelle" wrote in message
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This is such a hot
topic because at 13, she's a prime target for pedophiles so I advise
against
it. I

It's not just pedophiles. My son is 16 and he does message boards for
video
games and IMS...and he got in some sort of disagreement - you know out of
proportion adults can be about online discussions! and kids were
harrassing him
with IMs. This is a kid that has enought to deal with and the net was
supposed
to be his escape from reality!

He was really upset and then we talked and he realized there's weridos all
over
and I made sure he knew how to block Ims.

You have to keep an eye on all these things.

Joelle
The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St
Augustine
Joelle

Yeah drama on the net. ~rolls eyes~ You just gotta learn to let it wash over
you, it's not real life but even as an adult that's sometimes hard.

Christine

"Tiffany" wrote in message
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"Joelle" wrote in message
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Forutnately, mine is still embarrassed about buying a bra. :-)

Even with her mom?

My daughter was embarrassed. She was also embarrassed the first time I
took
her to the counter to get her quality make up for her skating competiion!
She
answered in monosybolic sentences when asked what color she liked. I was
looking forward to this special Mom and daughter make up buyin spree-
spent 80
bucks and she hardly said a word.

Then I overheard her telling her friends about how her mom I had bought
her
this make up and she guards it like it was gold so I guess it meant more
to her
than she let on.

But I digress...about bras..

. My daughter
has gotten over that embarrassing moment. She even let me take her to
Victoria Secret to get properly fitted.

You know, I took advice from here about taking her to Victoria Secret
...what a
disappointment. They didn't measure her - she looked at her and guessed
a size
and brought her right away to the padded bras. "Um she's 11 years old" I
told
the lady. "Oh all the girls her age are wearing them" Not this one. and
we
walked out.

Last time I went in I was snottily told that they don't have size 40 bras
and
I'd have to go to the catelog. Yea, make someone feel bad about their
bra
size. That'll sell bras.

Joelle
The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St
Augustine
Joelle

Wow.... that is major ****ty salesmen ship. Personally, I would have
complained to the higher up's. The place sells $40.00 bra's..... they
should be kissing your ass when you walk in.


Mine usually run between $30-60 and that's IF I can find them in my size. I
would LOVE to roam the aisles and pick up something off the rack. :P

Must be something about padded bra's. My daughter is in the situation
where she DOES NOT need padding, no matter what her age. So they are
showing us padded bras. I asked why the hell does someone who wears that
size need padding? Got no answer to that.

Story of my life. I'm a 38 3D and they sell bras with inserts in my size.
Are you kidding me??? Like I need any more padding. LOL

I can't believe they didn't measure her though. That is such crap! I also
can say, I know what its like to shop a store and not find your size. (I
go the other way..... way to small.) I can go into Bon-Ton and MAYBE find
1 bra in the whole bra section.

My daughter was also embarrassed at first about buying bra's. I guess they
just get over it. We have had to buy supportive bra's for some time now,
so I guess that is over with. Now she even enjoys checking out panties.
lol


I brought my sons with me bra shopping last month and oi was that an
adventure. They really behaved themselves but of course it was boring. I
had to laugh though because my son commented on he'd never do this with his
girlfriend when he grows up and I said oh yeah you will, and you'll probably
like it. Maybe not if it reminds them of their mother. rofl

Make-up..... that is so cool that she loves her make-up! Funny how we can
misread a situation. Here she was loving it..... just being quiet. I took
my daughter to a lady to have her show proper application of make-up,
because honestly, I am such a dimwit about that stuff. She acted a bit
weird about that but I saw her utilizing the advice that was given, even
to this day. Whew.

Girls..... they are fun, aren't they?

T

Boys are better!!! ~ runs~

Christine