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Great Christian Parenting Book.
In my desire to help Christian parents train up their children God's way I
would recommend the book by J. Richard Fugate "What The Bible Says About Child Training". This book is very good and completely Bible based. The author accepts completely what Scripture says on child training without adding his own views and human reasoning. We disagree with some doctrinal points of the book but as a general overview we consider it the best book on child training available today. It explains how to love and care for our children, what is training, why the only cure for rebellion is chastisement (spanking), why children when not in rebellion but disobey need punishments (consequences for their actions), how to properly forgive, etc., etc. Book: What the Bible Says About Child Training, by J. Richard Fugate, second edition, Foundation for Biblical Research. Available from: Child Training Resources, 15520 Strebor Drive, Bakersfield, CA 93314, U.S.A. E-Mail: From here it costs $12.00 or Foundation for Biblical Research J. Richard and Virginia Fugate P.O.Box 1412, Fair Oaks, CA 95628 E-Mail: From here costs $12.95 God Bless! |
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Great Christian Parenting Book.
Ah, J. Richard Fugate. One of the many so-called and self-proclaimed Christian
experts in "child training." As a lover of children, Fugate strikes fear in my heart for the innocent children he has so little regard for. As an academic, Fugate's ignorance of child development makes me furious. As a Christian, Fugate's attempt to Biblically justify hitting and hurting little children makes me weep. I would suggest: 1. Learning something about child development, about how children best learn, grow and develop. 2. Reading your New Testament, to gain an understanding of how Jesus regarded children. Nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus suggest hitting, hurting or humiliating children. Jesus regarded children with the utmost respect and love. 3. Reading your Old Testament and asking yourself "Do I want the OT applied literally to all aspects of current life, or just Proverbs, which appears to advocate hitting children with rods?" Do I also advocate stoning to death children who are rebellious, who overeat, or who drink?" Deuteronomy does, you know. "Do I advocate death to unmarried women who are no longer virgins?" The OT does. I prefer combine my knowledge of child development and parenting with the words and example of Jesus. Jesus revered children and advocated respectful treatment of children by their parents. Jesus was not a punisher. Jesus was love. When his disciples attempted to invoke punitive OT principles with the woman at the well Jesus stopped them, asked them to examine their own lives, and told the woman to go and sin no more. LaVonne Papaioannou wrote: In my desire to help Christian parents train up their children God's way I would recommend the book by J. Richard Fugate "What The Bible Says About Child Training". This book is very good and completely Bible based. The author accepts completely what Scripture says on child training without adding his own views and human reasoning. We disagree with some doctrinal points of the book but as a general overview we consider it the best book on child training available today. It explains how to love and care for our children, what is training, why the only cure for rebellion is chastisement (spanking), why children when not in rebellion but disobey need punishments (consequences for their actions), how to properly forgive, etc., etc. Book: What the Bible Says About Child Training, by J. Richard Fugate, second edition, Foundation for Biblical Research. Available from: Child Training Resources, 15520 Strebor Drive, Bakersfield, CA 93314, U.S.A. E-Mail: From here it costs $12.00 or Foundation for Biblical Research J. Richard and Virginia Fugate P.O.Box 1412, Fair Oaks, CA 95628 E-Mail: From here costs $12.95 God Bless! |
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Great Christian Parenting Book.
I suggests thee reads 1). Fugates book again thee understood nothing. 2. The
New Testament again it does accept spanking. Furthermore pray to Christ to clear in thy mind the difference of child abuse with Biblical discipline. ? "LaVonne Carlson" ?????? ??? ?????? ... Ah, J. Richard Fugate. One of the many so-called and self-proclaimed Christian experts in "child training." As a lover of children, Fugate strikes fear in my heart for the innocent children he has so little regard for. As an academic, Fugate's ignorance of child development makes me furious. As a Christian, Fugate's attempt to Biblically justify hitting and hurting little children makes me weep. I would suggest: 1. Learning something about child development, about how children best learn, grow and develop. 2. Reading your New Testament, to gain an understanding of how Jesus regarded children. Nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus suggest hitting, hurting or humiliating children. Jesus regarded children with the utmost respect and love. 3. Reading your Old Testament and asking yourself "Do I want the OT applied literally to all aspects of current life, or just Proverbs, which appears to advocate hitting children with rods?" Do I also advocate stoning to death children who are rebellious, who overeat, or who drink?" Deuteronomy does, you know. "Do I advocate death to unmarried women who are no longer virgins?" The OT does. I prefer combine my knowledge of child development and parenting with the words and example of Jesus. Jesus revered children and advocated respectful treatment of children by their parents. Jesus was not a punisher. Jesus was love. When his disciples attempted to invoke punitive OT principles with the woman at the well Jesus stopped them, asked them to examine their own lives, and told the woman to go and sin no more. LaVonne Papaioannou wrote: In my desire to help Christian parents train up their children God's way I would recommend the book by J. Richard Fugate "What The Bible Says About Child Training". This book is very good and completely Bible based. The author accepts completely what Scripture says on child training without adding his own views and human reasoning. We disagree with some doctrinal points of the book but as a general overview we consider it the best book on child training available today. It explains how to love and care for our children, what is training, why the only cure for rebellion is chastisement (spanking), why children when not in rebellion but disobey need punishments (consequences for their actions), how to properly forgive, etc., etc. Book: What the Bible Says About Child Training, by J. Richard Fugate, second edition, Foundation for Biblical Research. Available from: Child Training Resources, 15520 Strebor Drive, Bakersfield, CA 93314, U.S.A. E-Mail: From here it costs $12.00 or Foundation for Biblical Research J. Richard and Virginia Fugate P.O.Box 1412, Fair Oaks, CA 95628 E-Mail: From here costs $12.95 God Bless! |
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Great Christian Parenting Book.
FOR IGNORANCE AND LIES FROM FALSE CHRISTIANS WHO DON'T KNOW CHRIST OR THE
NEW TESTAMENT TO STOP! New Testament. The first passage from the N.T. we shall discuss is Hebrews 12:6-11. "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son who he receiveth. If ye endure chastening. God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye *******s, and not sons. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby." It is obvious in the above verse that the writer of the Epistle to the Hebrews (Paul ?) is using an example of everyday life to explain the way God the Father deals with His children. He says, "...we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us....". In the O.T. God clearly told parents to use spanking as an option (see: Proverbs or ever Sirach, etc.) so in this "correction" spanking is included this is obvious when he says: "and scourgeth every son" the word which is used here in Greek is "mastigi" means "spanks with a strap (whip)". The Greek words used here for "chastise", "correct", etc. is "pedia" and "pedeuo" "pedia"includes the meanings "teach, bring up, correct" and "pedeuo", "teach, bring up, chastise, correct" the word used for "chastise" in the meaning of "pedeuo" is "sofronizo" which includes corporal punishment..That spanking is included is also obvious by the insistence of the writer to say, "no chastening for the moment seemeth to be joyous, but grievous", as we know a spanking brings tears to the child and sometimes to the caring parent who spanks too. If the N.T. was against corporal punishment it would not have it as an example of God's parenting. Also it would grap the chance to tell us here. "And ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord" (Eph.6:4). Paul is saying to Christian parents not to provoke their children to anger. He is saying to respect our children and not call them names, insult them, etc. he is also warning not to punish them without real reason. Children get angry if they are unjustly punished. But if the child knows the "laws" before hand or is in the wrong then he/she accepts punishment and doesn't get angry if the parents otherwise show a lot of love and understanding, and spend time with them. Again the word here is "pedia" and includes spanking also Paul says to follow the admonition of the Lord referring of course to the O.T. parenting verses. He does not "correct" the "rod" O.T. verses. "Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged" (Col.3:21). Parents when act in a unjust way or ignore their children make them angry. It also means we must allow our children in a respectful way to express themselves.Of course he is not referring to discipline because discipline is meant to discourage a child from doing evil. Again Paul doesn't correct the "rod" O.T. verses. [ Meanings of N.T. Greek words from: Lexicon of Ancient Greek (includes N.T. Greek), by John Stamatakos, Professor University of Athens, p.p.728,529, 966, 659, 388]. In Christ the Lord, Papaioannou Ο "Papaioannou" έγραψε στο μήνυμα .. . I suggests thee reads 1). Fugates book again thee understood nothing. 2. The New Testament again it does accept spanking. Furthermore pray to Christ to clear in thy mind the difference of child abuse with Biblical discipline. ? "LaVonne Carlson" ?????? ??? ?????? ... Ah, J. Richard Fugate. One of the many so-called and self-proclaimed Christian experts in "child training." As a lover of children, Fugate strikes fear in my heart for the innocent children he has so little regard for. As an academic, Fugate's ignorance of child development makes me furious. As a Christian, Fugate's attempt to Biblically justify hitting and hurting little children makes me weep. I would suggest: 1. Learning something about child development, about how children best learn, grow and develop. 2. Reading your New Testament, to gain an understanding of how Jesus regarded children. Nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus suggest hitting, hurting or humiliating children. Jesus regarded children with the utmost respect and love. 3. Reading your Old Testament and asking yourself "Do I want the OT applied literally to all aspects of current life, or just Proverbs, which appears to advocate hitting children with rods?" Do I also advocate stoning to death children who are rebellious, who overeat, or who drink?" Deuteronomy does, you know. "Do I advocate death to unmarried women who are no longer virgins?" The OT does. I prefer combine my knowledge of child development and parenting with the words and example of Jesus. Jesus revered children and advocated respectful treatment of children by their parents. Jesus was not a punisher. Jesus was love. When his disciples attempted to invoke punitive OT principles with the woman at the well Jesus stopped them, asked them to examine their own lives, and told the woman to go and sin no more. LaVonne Papaioannou wrote: In my desire to help Christian parents train up their children God's way I would recommend the book by J. Richard Fugate "What The Bible Says About Child Training". This book is very good and completely Bible based. The author accepts completely what Scripture says on child training without adding his own views and human reasoning. We disagree with some doctrinal points of the book but as a general overview we consider it the best book on child training available today. It explains how to love and care for our children, what is training, why the only cure for rebellion is chastisement (spanking), why children when not in rebellion but disobey need punishments (consequences for their actions), how to properly forgive, etc., etc. Book: What the Bible Says About Child Training, by J. Richard Fugate, second edition, Foundation for Biblical Research. Available from: Child Training Resources, 15520 Strebor Drive, Bakersfield, CA 93314, U.S.A. E-Mail: From here it costs $12.00 or Foundation for Biblical Research J. Richard and Virginia Fugate P.O.Box 1412, Fair Oaks, CA 95628 E-Mail: From here costs $12.95 God Bless! |
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Great Christian Parenting Book.
SECOND TIME I SEND THIS POST!
New Testament. The first passage from the N.T. we shall discuss is Hebrews 12:6-11. "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son who he receiveth. If ye endure chastening. God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye *******s, and not sons. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby." It is obvious in the above verse that the writer of the Epistle to the Hebrews (Paul ?) is using an example of everyday life to explain the way God the Father deals with His children. He says, "...we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us....". In the O.T. God clearly told parents to use spanking as an option (see: Proverbs or ever Sirach, etc.) so in this "correction" spanking is included this is obvious when he says: "and scourgeth every son" the word which is used here in Greek is "mastigi" means "spanks with a strap (whip)". The Greek words used here for "chastise", "correct", etc. is "pedia" and "pedeuo" "pedia"includes the meanings "teach, bring up, correct" and "pedeuo", "teach, bring up, chastise, correct" the word used for "chastise" in the meaning of "pedeuo" is "sofronizo" which includes corporal punishment..That spanking is included is also obvious by the insistence of the writer to say, "no chastening for the moment seemeth to be joyous, but grievous", as we know a spanking brings tears to the child and sometimes to the caring parent who spanks too. If the N.T. was against corporal punishment it would not have it as an example of God's parenting. Also it would grap the chance to tell us here. "And ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord" (Eph.6:4). Paul is saying to Christian parents not to provoke their children to anger. He is saying to respect our children and not call them names, insult them, etc. he is also warning not to punish them without real reason. Children get angry if they are unjustly punished. But if the child knows the "laws" before hand or is in the wrong then he/she accepts punishment and doesn't get angry if the parents otherwise show a lot of love and understanding, and spend time with them. Again the word here is "pedia" and includes spanking also Paul says to follow the admonition of the Lord referring of course to the O.T. parenting verses. He does not "correct" the "rod" O.T. verses. "Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged" (Col.3:21). Parents when act in a unjust way or ignore their children make them angry. It also means we must allow our children in a respectful way to express themselves.Of course he is not referring to discipline because discipline is meant to discourage a child from doing evil. Again Paul doesn't correct the "rod" O.T. verses. [ Meanings of N.T. Greek words from: Lexicon of Ancient Greek (includes N.T. Greek), by John Stamatakos, Professor University of Athens, p.p.728,529, 966, 659, 388]. In Christ the Lord, Papaioannou |
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