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Old December 23rd 07, 04:27 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Louisville Lawmaker Wants CPS Changes

Louisville Lawmaker Wants CPS Changes

POSTED: 11:44 pm EST December 18, 2007
UPDATED: 8:09 am EST December 19, 2007

http://www.wlky.com/news/14886429/detail.html

LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A state lawmaker from Louisville is proposing changes
to the state's Child Protective Services System.

Rep. Darryl Owens said he and his colleagues have heard complaints from
parents about children being improperly removed from their homes. A
state commission recently concluded parents weren't getting a fair shake
in the courts when it came to fighting for their kids.

Owens said he wants to level the playing field by requiring attorneys to
represent the parent and the child at termination hearings. He also
wants training for lawyers and judges in family court cases and more pay
for publicly appointed attorneys working the cases.
sponsor

"There are some instances in which the removal does not appear to be
warranted and the fact they go in court and there's nobody there to
advocate on behalf of the child or parent works to their detriment,"
said Owens.

Owens pre-filed the bill in Frankfort for discussion in January.







CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAMS....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.


CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES, HAPPILY DESTROYING THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT
FAMILIES YEARLY NATIONWIDE AND COMING TO YOU'RE HOME SOON...


BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...
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Old December 23rd 07, 04:25 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Louisville Lawmaker Wants CPS Changes


"Greegor" wrote in message
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On Dec 22, 9:27 pm, fx wrote:
Louisville Lawmaker Wants CPS Changes

POSTED: 11:44 pm EST December 18, 2007
UPDATED: 8:09 am EST December 19, 2007

http://www.wlky.com/news/14886429/detail.html

LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A state lawmaker from Louisville is proposing changes
to the state's Child Protective Services System.

Rep. Darryl Owens said he and his colleagues have heard complaints from
parents about children being improperly removed from their homes. A
state commission recently concluded parents weren't getting a fair shake
in the courts when it came to fighting for their kids.

Owens said he wants to level the playing field by requiring attorneys to
represent the parent and the child at termination hearings. He also
wants training for lawyers and judges in family court cases and more pay
for publicly appointed attorneys working the cases.
sponsor

"There are some instances in which the removal does not appear to be
warranted and the fact they go in court and there's nobody there to
advocate on behalf of the child or parent works to their detriment,"
said Owens.

Owens pre-filed the bill in Frankfort for discussion in January.


Hell, Kentucky didn't even give people a Public pretender at TPR?
Or the other process?

*Do you think that people who can afford an attorney should be GIVEN a
public defender?*
This article, so far as I saw, does not mention the financial status of the
parents.
If an accused has an income of, let's say $100,000 per year, do you think
your taxes should go to paying for their public defender?


Right to an attorney should have been guaranteed from the start!

Now if we can just make that a "vigorous" representation
instead of going through the motions and doing the
"stipulation scam" crud 10 minutes before the ""hearing"".


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Old December 24th 07, 03:46 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Louisville Lawmaker Wants CPS Changes


"LK" wrote in message
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"dragonsgirl" wrote in message
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"Greegor" wrote in message
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On Dec 22, 9:27 pm, fx wrote:
Louisville Lawmaker Wants CPS Changes

POSTED: 11:44 pm EST December 18, 2007
UPDATED: 8:09 am EST December 19, 2007

http://www.wlky.com/news/14886429/detail.html

LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A state lawmaker from Louisville is proposing changes
to the state's Child Protective Services System.

Rep. Darryl Owens said he and his colleagues have heard complaints from
parents about children being improperly removed from their homes. A
state commission recently concluded parents weren't getting a fair shake
in the courts when it came to fighting for their kids.

Owens said he wants to level the playing field by requiring attorneys to
represent the parent and the child at termination hearings. He also
wants training for lawyers and judges in family court cases and more pay
for publicly appointed attorneys working the cases.
sponsor

"There are some instances in which the removal does not appear to be
warranted and the fact they go in court and there's nobody there to
advocate on behalf of the child or parent works to their detriment,"
said Owens.

Owens pre-filed the bill in Frankfort for discussion in January.


Hell, Kentucky didn't even give people a Public pretender at TPR?
Or the other process?

*Do you think that people who can afford an attorney should be GIVEN a
public defender?*


Should they have to go broke to pay for one if the state is wrong?


Should I have to pay more taxes to cover their PD if they're guilty?


This article, so far as I saw, does not mention the financial status of
the parents.
If an accused has an income of, let's say $100,000 per year, do you think
your taxes should go to paying for their public defender?


Right to an attorney should have been guaranteed from the start!

Now if we can just make that a "vigorous" representation
instead of going through the motions and doing the
"stipulation scam" crud 10 minutes before the ""hearing"".





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Old December 24th 07, 02:01 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Louisville Lawmaker Wants CPS Changes


"dragonsgirl" wrote in message
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LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A state lawmaker from Louisville is proposing
changes
to the state's Child Protective Services System.

Rep. Darryl Owens said he and his colleagues have heard complaints from
parents about children being improperly removed from their homes. A
state commission recently concluded parents weren't getting a fair
shake
in the courts when it came to fighting for their kids.

Owens said he wants to level the playing field by requiring attorneys
to
represent the parent and the child at termination hearings. He also
wants training for lawyers and judges in family court cases and more
pay
for publicly appointed attorneys working the cases.
sponsor

"There are some instances in which the removal does not appear to be
warranted and the fact they go in court and there's nobody there to
advocate on behalf of the child or parent works to their detriment,"
said Owens.

Owens pre-filed the bill in Frankfort for discussion in January.

Hell, Kentucky didn't even give people a Public pretender at TPR?
Or the other process?

*Do you think that people who can afford an attorney should be GIVEN a
public defender?*


Should they have to go broke to pay for one if the state is wrong?


Should I have to pay more taxes to cover their PD if they're guilty?


Absolutely down to the very LAST penny you have Betty! The one with blood
all over it.
We all KNOW - - - "where there's smoke there's fire" so they are ALL guilty
as hell, right Betty? EVERYONE accused is GUILTY!
Just ask DOCTOR ATTORNEY SULLIVAN he'll tell ya!


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Old December 24th 07, 03:08 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Louisville Lawmaker Wants CPS Changes


"Assmonkey" wrote in message
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On Dec 24, 7:01 am, " krp" wrote:
"dragonsgirl" wrote in message

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LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A state lawmaker from Louisville is proposing
changes
to the state's Child Protective Services System.


Rep. Darryl Owens said he and his colleagues have heard complaints
from
parents about children being improperly removed from their homes. A
state commission recently concluded parents weren't getting a fair
shake
in the courts when it came to fighting for their kids.


Owens said he wants to level the playing field by requiring
attorneys
to
represent the parent and the child at termination hearings. He also
wants training for lawyers and judges in family court cases and more
pay
for publicly appointed attorneys working the cases.
sponsor


"There are some instances in which the removal does not appear to be
warranted and the fact they go in court and there's nobody there to
advocate on behalf of the child or parent works to their detriment,"
said Owens.


Owens pre-filed the bill in Frankfort for discussion in January.


Hell, Kentucky didn't even give people a Public pretender at TPR?
Or the other process?


*Do you think that people who can afford an attorney should be GIVEN
a
public defender?*


Should they have to go broke to pay for one if the state is wrong?


Should I have to pay more taxes to cover their PD if they're guilty?


Absolutely down to the very LAST penny you have Betty! The one with blood
all over it.
We all KNOW - - - "where there's smoke there's fire" so they are ALL
guilty
as hell, right Betty? EVERYONE accused is GUILTY!
Just ask DOCTOR ATTORNEY SULLIVAN he'll tell ya!


ken do something nice for yourself this holiday season, get a mental
heath evaluation



Oh Assmonkey, I'd do that if I ever considered listening to YOU for a
minute. But YOU are hardly "DATE BAIT" honey. Besides I AM married.



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Old December 24th 07, 03:47 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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"ASSmonkey" wrote in message
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On Dec 24, 8:08 am, " krp" wrote:
"Assmonkey" wrote in message


LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A state lawmaker from Louisville is proposing
changes
to the state's Child Protective Services System.


Rep. Darryl Owens said he and his colleagues have heard
complaints
from
parents about children being improperly removed from their homes.
A
state commission recently concluded parents weren't getting a
fair
shake
in the courts when it came to fighting for their kids.


Owens said he wants to level the playing field by requiring
attorneys
to
represent the parent and the child at termination hearings. He
also
wants training for lawyers and judges in family court cases and
more
pay
for publicly appointed attorneys working the cases.
sponsor


"There are some instances in which the removal does not appear to
be
warranted and the fact they go in court and there's nobody there
to
advocate on behalf of the child or parent works to their
detriment,"
said Owens.


Owens pre-filed the bill in Frankfort for discussion in January.


Hell, Kentucky didn't even give people a Public pretender at TPR?
Or the other process?


*Do you think that people who can afford an attorney should be
GIVEN
a
public defender?*


Should they have to go broke to pay for one if the state is wrong?


Should I have to pay more taxes to cover their PD if they're guilty?


Absolutely down to the very LAST penny you have Betty! The one with
blood
all over it.
We all KNOW - - - "where there's smoke there's fire" so they are ALL
guilty
as hell, right Betty? EVERYONE accused is GUILTY!
Just ask DOCTOR ATTORNEY SULLIVAN he'll tell ya!


ken do something nice for yourself this holiday season, get a mental
heath evaluation


Oh Assmonkey, I'd do that if I ever considered listening to YOU for a
minute. But YOU are hardly "DATE BAIT" honey. Besides I AM married.


I do not date short, fat, ugly old men.You're safe piggy.


5' 10" isn't SHORT kiddo and I have lost weight and still am and from YOU I
will always be safe. I would only date human females, NOT BEASTS even when I
was single. If it were up to me YOUR photo would be used as the male
contraceptive. They'd hang it above the bed and NO man could ever get it up
so it would be 100% effective at birth control.



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Old December 24th 07, 11:51 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Louisville Lawmaker Wants CPS Changes


"firemonkey" wrote in message
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On Dec 24, 7:01 am, " krp" wrote:
"dragonsgirl" wrote in message

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LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A state lawmaker from Louisville is proposing
changes
to the state's Child Protective Services System.


Rep. Darryl Owens said he and his colleagues have heard complaints
from
parents about children being improperly removed from their homes. A
state commission recently concluded parents weren't getting a fair
shake
in the courts when it came to fighting for their kids.


Owens said he wants to level the playing field by requiring
attorneys
to
represent the parent and the child at termination hearings. He also
wants training for lawyers and judges in family court cases and more
pay
for publicly appointed attorneys working the cases.
sponsor


"There are some instances in which the removal does not appear to be
warranted and the fact they go in court and there's nobody there to
advocate on behalf of the child or parent works to their detriment,"
said Owens.


Owens pre-filed the bill in Frankfort for discussion in January.


Hell, Kentucky didn't even give people a Public pretender at TPR?
Or the other process?


*Do you think that people who can afford an attorney should be GIVEN
a
public defender?*


Should they have to go broke to pay for one if the state is wrong?


Should I have to pay more taxes to cover their PD if they're guilty?


Absolutely down to the very LAST penny you have Betty! The one with blood
all over it.
We all KNOW - - - "where there's smoke there's fire" so they are ALL
guilty
as hell, right Betty? EVERYONE accused is GUILTY!
Just ask DOCTOR ATTORNEY SULLIVAN he'll tell ya!


ken do something nice for yourself this holiday season, get a mental
heath evaluation.


Oh snap.
I just cannot believe that he's talking **** to me about this.
Ken, it's people like you that make it oh so easy for others to refuse to
take responsibility for themselves.
Don't muddy the waters on this issue with your personal attacks.
If that's all you can contribute then keep it to yourself.
I do not believe that every person accused of child abuse, neglect, or a
crime should have free legal representation handed to them at the cost of
the tax payers when they have resources to secure legal counsel themselves.
Guilty, innocent, doesn't matter, PEOPLE, PAY YOUR OWN DAMN WAY IN THE
WORLD, TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN KIDS, AND THEN MAYBE SOME DAY WE CAN DO AWAY
WITH JAILS AND ORPHANAGES AND CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES AND EVEN CRAZY ASSED
TRIAL CONSULTANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And that's my two cents for the holidays...merry christmas eve.


 




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