Are Bio Parents Ever Wrong?

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On Apr 9, 2:17 pm, wrote:
On Feb 14, 2:13 pm, "Ron" wrote:

"SRplus" wrote in message

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On Feb 14, 8:01 am, SRplus wrote:

To read the posts on this group, you would think that no one here has
ever heard of or seen any instance where the parents of children
removed by the state were in any way responsible same.

Is the group juts that one-sided? Is it ignorance? No one here will
allow as how there are parents who beat, rape, burn, strangle kids?
Or
that there are some who are so mentally ill that they just cannot
protect there kids? Or who are so strung out on dope?

Are there no families where a complaint starts with some "iffy"
things, only to find out that, indeed, mom's boyfriend IS molesting
the daughter? No parents who don't regulary tell kids, in front of
God and everyone else that they are pieces of ****, stupd, ugly,
etc.?

I know one thing: I've met all of those parents. I know something
else: getting caught up in "the system" is a bitch; no doubt about
it. And another thing: I've met foster parents (and facility staff,
and casweworkers) who are dangerously ****ed up. To me, all of the
above are the same.

One thing I don't know. Is there anyone here man or woman enough to
admit, "Yup, I screwed up bad enough to lose my kids." That's it, no
specific admissions.

It doesn't, in most cases, mean that you're evil or whatever. Most
aren't. AND it doesn't absolve 'the system" from it's miscreant
injustices.

Just one person who can admit that they should have lost their kids?
Or is it all someone else's fault?
That's what I thought.


Ron buddy
Why haven't you been to ascps to argue for the system sucks?

In this news group, no parent is ever at fault.

And you foster parents are totally innocent right Ron? Have you
looked at Legally Kidnapped yet? Still stuck on your bull**** CPS
facts?

You have not proven them to be in any way inaccurate. I have asked several
times for you to provide data from reputiable sources that contridicts the
data I quote, but we have not seen anything from you yet. Why is that?

Ron


Even though it is proven
beyond any reasonable doubt that parents are their own worst enemies,

Proven to who? A system suck judge? A piece of **** CPS worker?
You? You get paid. That's your living. Oh I know, you loose ten
percent on each kid right?

BTW are you shooting for # 240 in year 16?

CPS
and the system are blamed for each and every thing that goes wrong with
children in the system.

As they should be. If they're going to take over the role of parent
they should at least be good parents wouldn't you think? Since kids
are passed around like puppy dogs that is not the case. Since kids
are abused in foster care, it's no better or safer than an abusive
home. Do you know that they just reported studies proving that kids
do better in life living in dysfunctional families than they do in
foster care?
http://legallykidnapped.blogspot.com...ster-care.html

Why is that Ron? Could it be because even in a dysfunctional family
kids are loved?

According to the anti-CPS mob, CPS can do nothing
right.

And if you had your way every kid would be in foster care just to
increase your income levels.

Sure they can. They can destroy lives and they do one hell of a job
at that. They've done a great job at increasing the homeless
population too
http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Soc...rs/firdion.pdf

Facts to the side

Ron I'm shocked. You would have to look at it with an open mind in
order to move your CPS facts aside.

(specially if they contridict any of the mobs
opinions or "facts"),

We've been through this before Ron, I don't know why I bother, but I
will explain it again. Your CPS facts that you swear by while
refusing to even look at anybody else's facts are written with the CPS
agenda in mind. They are one sided and far from fair or objective.

CPS is an evil enterprise that is in it only for the
money and power it gives people over others.


That's right. Although it was started with good intentions, when
people found ways to make money from it they took full advantage.

Never mind that a child that is in danger is most often in danger from
its
own parents and not CPS or any foster care agency or individual, just
the
idea that CPS is involved is enough for the intentionally ignorant to
blame
anyone but a parent.


And CPS takes them out of the frying pan and puts them right into the
fire. Don't they Ron.

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those parents who screwed up, most often don't want their kids back,
so why post, respond, or otherwise care if they are gone?

Ron is anti-real-parent

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On Feb 14, 2:13 pm, "Ron" wrote:
"SRplus" wrote in message

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On Feb 14, 8:01 am, SRplus wrote:





To read the posts on this group, you would think that no one here has
ever heard of or seen any instance where the parents of children
removed by the state were in any way responsible same.

Is the group juts that one-sided? Is it ignorance? No one here will
allow as how there are parents who beat, rape, burn, strangle kids? Or
that there are some who are so mentally ill that they just cannot
protect there kids? Or who are so strung out on dope?

Are there no families where a complaint starts with some "iffy"
things, only to find out that, indeed, mom's boyfriend IS molesting
the daughter? No parents who don't regulary tell kids, in front of
God and everyone else that they are pieces of ****, stupd, ugly, etc.?

I know one thing: I've met all of those parents. I know something
else: getting caught up in "the system" is a bitch; no doubt about
it. And another thing: I've met foster parents (and facility staff,
and casweworkers) who are dangerously ****ed up. To me, all of the
above are the same.

One thing I don't know. Is there anyone here man or woman enough to
admit, "Yup, I screwed up bad enough to lose my kids." That's it, no
specific admissions.

It doesn't, in most cases, mean that you're evil or whatever. Most
aren't. AND it doesn't absolve 'the system" from it's miscreant
injustices.

Just one person who can admit that they should have lost their kids?
Or is it all someone else's fault?
That's what I thought.

In this news group, no parent is ever at fault. Even though it is proven
beyond any reasonable doubt that parents are their own worst enemies, CPS
and the system are blamed for each and every thing that goes wrong with
children in the system. According to the anti-CPS mob, CPS can do nothing
right. Facts to the side (specially if they contridict any of the mobs
opinions or "facts"), CPS is an evil enterprise that is in it only for the
money and power it gives people over others.

Never mind that a child that is in danger is most often in danger from its
own parents and not CPS or any foster care agency or individual, just the
idea that CPS is involved is enough for the intentionally ignorant to
blame
anyone but a parent.

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oh, yeah, google marcus feisel, that same agency placed another foster
murderer with a child they killed!


**

We could go back and forth like that until the end of time and never come to
a resolution. It would serve no useful purpose.

Ron

"http://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com" wrote in
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On Apr 9, 2:19 pm, wrote:
On Feb 14, 2:13 pm, "Ron" wrote:

"SRplus" wrote in message

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On Feb 14, 8:01 am, SRplus wrote:

To read the posts on this group, you would think that no one here has
ever heard of or seen any instance where the parents of children
removed by the state were in any way responsible same.

Is the group juts that one-sided? Is it ignorance? No one here will
allow as how there are parents who beat, rape, burn, strangle kids? Or
that there are some who are so mentally ill that they just cannot
protect there kids? Or who are so strung out on dope?

Are there no families where a complaint starts with some "iffy"
things, only to find out that, indeed, mom's boyfriend IS molesting
the daughter? No parents who don't regulary tell kids, in front of
God and everyone else that they are pieces of ****, stupd, ugly, etc.?

I know one thing: I've met all of those parents. I know something
else: getting caught up in "the system" is a bitch; no doubt about
it. And another thing: I've met foster parents (and facility staff,
and casweworkers) who are dangerously ****ed up. To me, all of the
above are the same.

One thing I don't know. Is there anyone here man or woman enough to
admit, "Yup, I screwed up bad enough to lose my kids." That's it, no
specific admissions.

It doesn't, in most cases, mean that you're evil or whatever. Most
aren't. AND it doesn't absolve 'the system" from it's miscreant
injustices.

Just one person who can admit that they should have lost their kids?
Or is it all someone else's fault?
That's what I thought.

In this news group, no parent is ever at fault. Even though it is proven
beyond any reasonable doubt that parents are their own worst enemies,
CPS
and the system are blamed for each and every thing that goes wrong with
children in the system. According to the anti-CPS mob, CPS can do
nothing
right. Facts to the side (specially if they contridict any of the mobs
opinions or "facts"), CPS is an evil enterprise that is in it only for
the
money and power it gives people over others.

Never mind that a child that is in danger is most often in danger from
its
own parents and not CPS or any foster care agency or individual, just
the
idea that CPS is involved is enough for the intentionally ignorant to
blame
anyone but a parent.

Ron- Hide quoted text -

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oh, yeah, google marcus feisel, that same agency placed another foster
murderer with a child they killed!

That wouldn't support his pro-cps facts that he lives his life by.

**

OK then, YOU provide us with facts. Verifiable facts. From a reputiable
source. Until then (and note that this is not the first time I have asked
this of you) you are just one more wack-job bio parent on a crusade without
a cause.

Ron

On Apr 19, 4:41*pm, "Ron" wrote:
"http://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com" wrote in
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On Apr 9, 2:19 pm, wrote:

On Feb 14, 2:13 pm, "Ron" wrote:

"SRplus" wrote in message

....
On Feb 14, 8:01 am, SRplus wrote:

To read the posts on this group, you would think that no one here has
ever heard of or seen any instance where the parents of children
removed by the state were in any way responsible same.

Is the group juts that one-sided? Is it ignorance? No one here will
allow as how there are parents who beat, rape, burn, strangle kids? Or
that there are some who are so mentally ill that they just cannot
protect there kids? Or who are so strung out on dope?

Are there no families where a complaint starts with some "iffy"
things, only to find out that, indeed, mom's boyfriend IS molesting
the daughter? No parents who don't regulary tell kids, in front of
God and everyone else that they are pieces of ****, stupd, ugly, etc..?

I know one thing: I've met all of those parents. I know something
else: getting caught up in "the system" is a bitch; no doubt about
it. And another thing: I've met foster parents (and facility staff,
and casweworkers) who are dangerously ****ed up. To me, all of the
above are the same.

One thing I don't know. Is there anyone here man or woman enough to
admit, "Yup, I screwed up bad enough to lose my kids." That's it, no
specific admissions.

It doesn't, in most cases, mean that you're evil or whatever. Most
aren't. AND it doesn't absolve 'the system" from it's miscreant
injustices.

Just one person who can admit that they should have lost their kids?
Or is it all someone else's fault?
That's what I thought.

In this news group, no parent is ever at fault. Even though it is proven
beyond any reasonable doubt that parents are their own worst enemies,
CPS
and the system are blamed for each and every thing that goes wrong with
children in the system. According to the anti-CPS mob, CPS can do
nothing
right. Facts to the side (specially if they contridict any of the mobs
opinions or "facts"), CPS is an evil enterprise that is in it only for
the
money and power it gives people over others.

Never mind that a child that is in danger is most often in danger from
its
own parents and not CPS or any foster care agency or individual, just
the
idea that CPS is involved is enough for the intentionally ignorant to
blame
anyone but a parent.

Ron- Hide quoted text -

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oh, yeah, google marcus feisel, that same agency placed another foster
murderer with a child they killed!

That wouldn't support his pro-cps facts that he lives his life by.

**

OK then, YOU provide us with facts. *Verifiable facts. *From a reputiable
source. *Until then (and note that this is not the first time I have asked
this of you) you are just one more wack-job bio parent on a crusade without
a cause.

Ron

Marcus Feisel is a fact Ron.

On Apr 19, 4:39*pm, "Ron" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Feb 14, 2:13 pm, "Ron" wrote:

"SRplus" wrote in message

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On Feb 14, 8:01 am, SRplus wrote:

To read the posts on this group, you would think that no one here has
ever heard of or seen any instance where the parents of children
removed by the state were in any way responsible same.

Is the group juts that one-sided? Is it ignorance? No one here will
allow as how there are parents who beat, rape, burn, strangle kids? Or
that there are some who are so mentally ill that they just cannot
protect there kids? Or who are so strung out on dope?

Are there no families where a complaint starts with some "iffy"
things, only to find out that, indeed, mom's boyfriend IS molesting
the daughter? No parents who don't regulary tell kids, in front of
God and everyone else that they are pieces of ****, stupd, ugly, etc.?

I know one thing: I've met all of those parents. I know something
else: getting caught up in "the system" is a bitch; no doubt about
it. And another thing: I've met foster parents (and facility staff,
and casweworkers) who are dangerously ****ed up. To me, all of the
above are the same.

One thing I don't know. Is there anyone here man or woman enough to
admit, "Yup, I screwed up bad enough to lose my kids." That's it, no
specific admissions.

It doesn't, in most cases, mean that you're evil or whatever. Most
aren't. AND it doesn't absolve 'the system" from it's miscreant
injustices.

Just one person who can admit that they should have lost their kids?
Or is it all someone else's fault?
That's what I thought.

In this news group, no parent is ever at fault. Even though it is proven
beyond any reasonable doubt that parents are their own worst enemies, CPS
and the system are blamed for each and every thing that goes wrong with
children in the system. According to the anti-CPS mob, CPS can do nothing
right. Facts to the side (specially if they contridict any of the mobs
opinions or "facts"), CPS is an evil enterprise that is in it only for the
money and power it gives people over others.

Never mind that a child that is in danger is most often in danger from its
own parents and not CPS or any foster care agency or individual, just the
idea that CPS is involved is enough for the intentionally ignorant to
blame
anyone but a parent.

Ron- Hide quoted text -

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oh, yeah, google marcus feisel, that same agency placed another foster
murderer with a child they killed!

**

We could go back and forth like that until the end of time and never come to
a resolution. *It would serve no useful purpose.

Ron

You can't get through to Ron.

On Apr 19, 4:37*pm, "Ron" wrote:
"http://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com" wrote in
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On Apr 9, 2:17 pm, wrote:
On Feb 14, 2:13 pm, "Ron" wrote:

"SRplus" wrote in message

....
On Feb 14, 8:01 am, SRplus wrote:

To read the posts on this group, you would think that no one here has
ever heard of or seen any instance where the parents of children
removed by the state were in any way responsible same.

Is the group juts that one-sided? Is it ignorance? No one here will
allow as how there are parents who beat, rape, burn, strangle kids?
Or
that there are some who are so mentally ill that they just cannot
protect there kids? Or who are so strung out on dope?

Are there no families where a complaint starts with some "iffy"
things, only to find out that, indeed, mom's boyfriend IS molesting
the daughter? No parents who don't regulary tell kids, in front of
God and everyone else that they are pieces of ****, stupd, ugly,
etc.?

I know one thing: I've met all of those parents. I know something
else: getting caught up in "the system" is a bitch; no doubt about
it. And another thing: I've met foster parents (and facility staff,
and casweworkers) who are dangerously ****ed up. To me, all of the
above are the same.

One thing I don't know. Is there anyone here man or woman enough to
admit, "Yup, I screwed up bad enough to lose my kids." That's it, no
specific admissions.

It doesn't, in most cases, mean that you're evil or whatever. Most
aren't. AND it doesn't absolve 'the system" from it's miscreant
injustices.

Just one person who can admit that they should have lost their kids?
Or is it all someone else's fault?
That's what I thought.

Ron buddy
Why haven't you been to ascps to argue for the system sucks?

In this news group, no parent is ever at fault.

And you foster parents are totally innocent right Ron? *Have you
looked at Legally Kidnapped yet? *Still stuck on your bull**** CPS
facts?

You have not proven them to be in any way inaccurate. *I have asked several
times for you to provide data from reputiable sources that contridicts the
data I quote, but we have not seen anything from you yet. *Why is that?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...er-study_N.htm
Here's the actual study this article is refering to
http://www.mit.edu/~jjdoyle/doyle_fo...arch07_aer.pdf ,
http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Soc...rs/firdion.pdf
You really ought to read it Ron. Interesting stuff. Contradicts your
bull**** with facts. I know... God forbid it doesn't come directly
from your precious CPS. Wouldn't support their agenda. It kind of
discusses that line that you preach about though. You know, your
"Where do we as a society draw the line!" bull****.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007...eaps_57-2.html


Ron Even though it is proven
beyond any reasonable doubt that parents are their own worst enemies,

Proven to who? *A system suck judge? *A piece of **** CPS worker?
You? *You get paid. *That's your living. *Oh I know, you loose ten
percent on each kid right?

BTW are you shooting for # 240 in year 16?

CPS
and the system are blamed for each and every thing that goes wrong with
children in the system.

As they should be. *If they're going to take over the role of parent
they should at least be good parents wouldn't you think? *Since kids
are passed around like puppy dogs that is not the case. *Since kids
are abused in foster care, it's no better or safer than an abusive
home. *Do you know that they just reported studies proving that kids
do better in life living in dysfunctional families than they do in
foster care?
http://legallykidnapped.blogspot.com...ch-could-end-f...

Why is that Ron? *Could it be because even in a dysfunctional family
kids are loved?

According to the anti-CPS mob, CPS can do nothing
right.

And if you had your way every kid would be in foster care just to
increase your income levels.

Sure they can. *They can destroy lives and they do one hell of a job
at that. *They've done a great job at increasing the homeless
population too
http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Soc...er/sirs/papers...

Facts to the side

Ron I'm shocked. *You would have to look at it with an open mind in
order to move your CPS facts aside.

(specially if they contridict any of the mobs
opinions or "facts"),

We've been through this before Ron, I don't know why I bother, but I
will explain it again. *Your CPS facts that you swear by while
refusing to even look at anybody else's facts are written with the CPS
agenda in mind. *They are one sided and far from fair or objective.

CPS is an evil enterprise that is in it only for the
money and power it gives people over others.

That's right. *Although it was started with good intentions, when
people found ways to make money from it they took full advantage.

Never mind that a child that is in danger is most often in danger from
its
own parents and not CPS or any foster care agency or individual, just
the
idea that CPS is involved is enough for the intentionally ignorant to
blame
anyone but a parent.

And CPS takes them out of the frying pan and puts them right into the
fire. *Don't they Ron.

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those parents who screwed up, most often don't want their kids back,
so why post, respond, or otherwise care if they are gone?

Ron is anti-real-parent

On Apr 19, 4:36*pm, "Ron" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Feb 14, 2:13 pm, "Ron" wrote:

"SRplus" wrote in message

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On Feb 14, 8:01 am, SRplus wrote:

To read the posts on this group, you would think that no one here has
ever heard of or seen any instance where the parents of children
removed by the state were in any way responsible same.

Is the group juts that one-sided? Is it ignorance? No one here will
allow as how there are parents who beat, rape, burn, strangle kids? Or
that there are some who are so mentally ill that they just cannot
protect there kids? Or who are so strung out on dope?

Are there no families where a complaint starts with some "iffy"
things, only to find out that, indeed, mom's boyfriend IS molesting
the daughter? No parents who don't regulary tell kids, in front of
God and everyone else that they are pieces of ****, stupd, ugly, etc.?

I know one thing: I've met all of those parents. I know something
else: getting caught up in "the system" is a bitch; no doubt about
it. And another thing: I've met foster parents (and facility staff,
and casweworkers) who are dangerously ****ed up. To me, all of the
above are the same.

One thing I don't know. Is there anyone here man or woman enough to
admit, "Yup, I screwed up bad enough to lose my kids." That's it, no
specific admissions.

It doesn't, in most cases, mean that you're evil or whatever. Most
aren't. AND it doesn't absolve 'the system" from it's miscreant
injustices.

Just one person who can admit that they should have lost their kids?
Or is it all someone else's fault?
That's what I thought.

In this news group, no parent is ever at fault. Even though it is proven
beyond any reasonable doubt that parents are their own worst enemies, CPS
and the system are blamed for each and every thing that goes wrong with
children in the system. According to the anti-CPS mob, CPS can do nothing
right. Facts to the side (specially if they contridict any of the mobs
opinions or "facts"), CPS is an evil enterprise that is in it only for the
money and power it gives people over others.

Never mind that a child that is in danger is most often in danger from its
own parents and not CPS or any foster care agency or individual, just the
idea that CPS is involved is enough for the intentionally ignorant to
blame
anyone but a parent.

Ron- Hide quoted text -

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those parents who screwed up, most often don't want their kids back,
so why post, respond, or otherwise care if they are gone?

**
Pardon me? *Are we on the same planet? *These parents se these children as
their "property", not as humans. *

Oh bull****! You have no idea nor do you care how people think or
feel about their kids nor how kids feel about their parents. You
couldn't care less about a family being ripped apart and you can't
even admit to any flaws in the system with the exception of your ten
percent loss on each kid you take into your warehouse. You don't
care that it destroys a person having their flesh and blood ripped out
of their arms. You know, just because somebody is a **** up doesn't
mean that they don't love their children. Then to have some asshole
foster contractor, who does it for the money, accusing them of not
seeing their kids as human...
What a piece of work you are.

And as with any property they want it
back, or someone prosecuted for taking it. *It has nothing to do with
screwing up, they dont see what they did as wrong. *Its strictly a property
issue.


Dehumanization 101 with....

Ron

"http://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com" wrote in
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On Apr 19, 4:37 pm, "Ron" wrote:
"http://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com" wrote in
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On Apr 9, 2:17 pm, wrote:
On Feb 14, 2:13 pm, "Ron" wrote:

"SRplus" wrote in message

...
On Feb 14, 8:01 am, SRplus wrote:

To read the posts on this group, you would think that no one here
has
ever heard of or seen any instance where the parents of children
removed by the state were in any way responsible same.

Is the group juts that one-sided? Is it ignorance? No one here will
allow as how there are parents who beat, rape, burn, strangle kids?
Or
that there are some who are so mentally ill that they just cannot
protect there kids? Or who are so strung out on dope?

Are there no families where a complaint starts with some "iffy"
things, only to find out that, indeed, mom's boyfriend IS molesting
the daughter? No parents who don't regulary tell kids, in front of
God and everyone else that they are pieces of ****, stupd, ugly,
etc.?

I know one thing: I've met all of those parents. I know something
else: getting caught up in "the system" is a bitch; no doubt about
it. And another thing: I've met foster parents (and facility staff,
and casweworkers) who are dangerously ****ed up. To me, all of the
above are the same.

One thing I don't know. Is there anyone here man or woman enough to
admit, "Yup, I screwed up bad enough to lose my kids." That's it,
no
specific admissions.

It doesn't, in most cases, mean that you're evil or whatever. Most
aren't. AND it doesn't absolve 'the system" from it's miscreant
injustices.

Just one person who can admit that they should have lost their
kids?
Or is it all someone else's fault?
That's what I thought.

Ron buddy
Why haven't you been to ascps to argue for the system sucks?

In this news group, no parent is ever at fault.

And you foster parents are totally innocent right Ron? Have you
looked at Legally Kidnapped yet? Still stuck on your bull**** CPS
facts?

You have not proven them to be in any way inaccurate. I have asked several
times for you to provide data from reputiable sources that contridicts the
data I quote, but we have not seen anything from you yet. Why is that?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...er-study_N.htm
Here's the actual study this article is refering to
http://www.mit.edu/~jjdoyle/doyle_fo...arch07_aer.pdf ,
http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Soc...rs/firdion.pdf
You really ought to read it Ron. Interesting stuff. Contradicts your
bull**** with facts. I know... God forbid it doesn't come directly
from your precious CPS. Wouldn't support their agenda. It kind of
discusses that line that you preach about though. You know, your
"Where do we as a society draw the line!" bull****.

***

Thank you very much for finally providing something for me to review. It
only took 3 requests or so, right?

You right in that the articles are interesting.

1. I note that the MIT article makes quite a few assumptions concerning the
outcome for children in care without providing any of the background
information on the childrens families or home life. That of course begs the
question, is it likely that the outcomes for children in care are caused
from being in foster care at one time in their lives, or is it more likely
that their family homes and the lives that they had in there are the cause?

2. The MIT article (Sorry, I cant really call it research, it just lacks so
much that I cant bring myself to think that poorly) also uses the "tendnacy
to remove" of the investigative worker as a factor in their reasoning. It
also reaches as far back as 1975 for its data, some 32 years ago. This does
not invalidate the data but it does make one wonder if they were "cherry
picking" data to support their conclusions or if this was the only data of
its type available and they were forced to use it. That question is not
answered in the article.

3. The article uses data exclusively from Illinois, not the most stellar
state from which to draw data, and it uses the states own data and data from
a research venue at the University of Chicago to base its conclusions on.

4. In other words, this "research" is questionable at best.

Moving on to the data from Brown, it begins by making an assumption and
placing the blame directly on foster care. Rather that researching the
background for the assumption, it does not appear to care about the
background and begins from the assumption that Homelessness and Poverty are
the expected outcomes for children who have had a stay in Foster Care. The
article does make an attempt to address this problem later in the text, but
the damage is pretty much already done. The article fails completely to
support any of its conclusions with fact or anything like it. Assumptions
are made from basic data without providing any context what-so-ever. Yes,
interesting.

So, in the end, it seems that you are providing us with opinion and
questionable research, and little data. How come I'm not surprised?

Ron



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007...eaps_57-2.html


Ron Even though it is proven
beyond any reasonable doubt that parents are their own worst enemies,

Proven to who? A system suck judge? A piece of **** CPS worker?
You? You get paid. That's your living. Oh I know, you loose ten
percent on each kid right?

BTW are you shooting for # 240 in year 16?

CPS
and the system are blamed for each and every thing that goes wrong
with
children in the system.

As they should be. If they're going to take over the role of parent
they should at least be good parents wouldn't you think? Since kids
are passed around like puppy dogs that is not the case. Since kids
are abused in foster care, it's no better or safer than an abusive
home. Do you know that they just reported studies proving that kids
do better in life living in dysfunctional families than they do in
foster care?
http://legallykidnapped.blogspot.com...ch-could-end-f...

Why is that Ron? Could it be because even in a dysfunctional family
kids are loved?

According to the anti-CPS mob, CPS can do nothing
right.

And if you had your way every kid would be in foster care just to
increase your income levels.

Sure they can. They can destroy lives and they do one hell of a job
at that. They've done a great job at increasing the homeless
population too
http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Soc...er/sirs/papers...

Facts to the side

Ron I'm shocked. You would have to look at it with an open mind in
order to move your CPS facts aside.

(specially if they contridict any of the mobs
opinions or "facts"),

We've been through this before Ron, I don't know why I bother, but I
will explain it again. Your CPS facts that you swear by while
refusing to even look at anybody else's facts are written with the CPS
agenda in mind. They are one sided and far from fair or objective.

CPS is an evil enterprise that is in it only for the
money and power it gives people over others.

That's right. Although it was started with good intentions, when
people found ways to make money from it they took full advantage.

Never mind that a child that is in danger is most often in danger
from
its
own parents and not CPS or any foster care agency or individual, just
the
idea that CPS is involved is enough for the intentionally ignorant to
blame
anyone but a parent.

And CPS takes them out of the frying pan and puts them right into the
fire. Don't they Ron.

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those parents who screwed up, most often don't want their kids back,
so why post, respond, or otherwise care if they are gone?

Ron is anti-real-parent

"http://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com" wrote in
message
...
On Apr 19, 4:36 pm, "Ron" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Feb 14, 2:13 pm, "Ron" wrote:

"SRplus" wrote in message

...
On Feb 14, 8:01 am, SRplus wrote:

To read the posts on this group, you would think that no one here has
ever heard of or seen any instance where the parents of children
removed by the state were in any way responsible same.

Is the group juts that one-sided? Is it ignorance? No one here will
allow as how there are parents who beat, rape, burn, strangle kids? Or
that there are some who are so mentally ill that they just cannot
protect there kids? Or who are so strung out on dope?

Are there no families where a complaint starts with some "iffy"
things, only to find out that, indeed, mom's boyfriend IS molesting
the daughter? No parents who don't regulary tell kids, in front of
God and everyone else that they are pieces of ****, stupd, ugly, etc.?

I know one thing: I've met all of those parents. I know something
else: getting caught up in "the system" is a bitch; no doubt about
it. And another thing: I've met foster parents (and facility staff,
and casweworkers) who are dangerously ****ed up. To me, all of the
above are the same.

One thing I don't know. Is there anyone here man or woman enough to
admit, "Yup, I screwed up bad enough to lose my kids." That's it, no
specific admissions.

It doesn't, in most cases, mean that you're evil or whatever. Most
aren't. AND it doesn't absolve 'the system" from it's miscreant
injustices.

Just one person who can admit that they should have lost their kids?
Or is it all someone else's fault?
That's what I thought.

In this news group, no parent is ever at fault. Even though it is proven
beyond any reasonable doubt that parents are their own worst enemies,
CPS
and the system are blamed for each and every thing that goes wrong with
children in the system. According to the anti-CPS mob, CPS can do
nothing
right. Facts to the side (specially if they contridict any of the mobs
opinions or "facts"), CPS is an evil enterprise that is in it only for
the
money and power it gives people over others.

Never mind that a child that is in danger is most often in danger from
its
own parents and not CPS or any foster care agency or individual, just
the
idea that CPS is involved is enough for the intentionally ignorant to
blame
anyone but a parent.

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those parents who screwed up, most often don't want their kids back,
so why post, respond, or otherwise care if they are gone?

**
Pardon me? Are we on the same planet? These parents se these children as
their "property", not as humans.

Oh bull****! You have no idea nor do you care how people think or
feel about their kids nor how kids feel about their parents. You
couldn't care less about a family being ripped apart and you can't
even admit to any flaws in the system with the exception of your ten
percent loss on each kid you take into your warehouse. You don't
care that it destroys a person having their flesh and blood ripped out
of their arms. You know, just because somebody is a **** up doesn't
mean that they don't love their children. Then to have some asshole
foster contractor, who does it for the money, accusing them of not
seeing their kids as human...
What a piece of work you are.

***

Once again you make invalid assumptions based on a total lack of data.
Interesting.

Why should anyone here take your posts seriously? Are they intended to be
serious, or are they just some form of ranting that allows you to advertise
your own limited experience?

Ron


And as with any property they want it
back, or someone prosecuted for taking it. It has nothing to do with
screwing up, they dont see what they did as wrong. Its strictly a property
issue.


Dehumanization 101 with....

Ron

"http://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com" wrote in
message
...
On Apr 19, 4:41 pm, "Ron" wrote:
"http://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com" wrote in
...
On Apr 9, 2:19 pm, wrote:

On Feb 14, 2:13 pm, "Ron" wrote:

"SRplus" wrote in message

...
On Feb 14, 8:01 am, SRplus wrote:

To read the posts on this group, you would think that no one here
has
ever heard of or seen any instance where the parents of children
removed by the state were in any way responsible same.

Is the group juts that one-sided? Is it ignorance? No one here will
allow as how there are parents who beat, rape, burn, strangle kids?
Or
that there are some who are so mentally ill that they just cannot
protect there kids? Or who are so strung out on dope?

Are there no families where a complaint starts with some "iffy"
things, only to find out that, indeed, mom's boyfriend IS molesting
the daughter? No parents who don't regulary tell kids, in front of
God and everyone else that they are pieces of ****, stupd, ugly,
etc.?

I know one thing: I've met all of those parents. I know something
else: getting caught up in "the system" is a bitch; no doubt about
it. And another thing: I've met foster parents (and facility staff,
and casweworkers) who are dangerously ****ed up. To me, all of the
above are the same.

One thing I don't know. Is there anyone here man or woman enough to
admit, "Yup, I screwed up bad enough to lose my kids." That's it, no
specific admissions.

It doesn't, in most cases, mean that you're evil or whatever. Most
aren't. AND it doesn't absolve 'the system" from it's miscreant
injustices.

Just one person who can admit that they should have lost their kids?
Or is it all someone else's fault?
That's what I thought.

In this news group, no parent is ever at fault. Even though it is
proven
beyond any reasonable doubt that parents are their own worst enemies,
CPS
and the system are blamed for each and every thing that goes wrong
with
children in the system. According to the anti-CPS mob, CPS can do
nothing
right. Facts to the side (specially if they contridict any of the mobs
opinions or "facts"), CPS is an evil enterprise that is in it only for
the
money and power it gives people over others.

Never mind that a child that is in danger is most often in danger from
its
own parents and not CPS or any foster care agency or individual, just
the
idea that CPS is involved is enough for the intentionally ignorant to
blame
anyone but a parent.

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oh, yeah, google marcus feisel, that same agency placed another foster
murderer with a child they killed!

That wouldn't support his pro-cps facts that he lives his life by.

**

OK then, YOU provide us with facts. Verifiable facts. From a reputiable
source. Until then (and note that this is not the first time I have asked
this of you) you are just one more wack-job bio parent on a crusade
without
a cause.

Ron

Marcus Feisel is a fact Ron.

***

One child, abused and killed by a foster parent. You consider this a fact.
OK, how about the more than 1200 killed by abusive or neglectful parents?
Care to put some names to them? Care to advocate for reform of parenting?
Where is the effort more likely to make a difference? With the 6 or so
killed by foster parents, or with the 1200 plus killed by bio parents?
Please, try and validate your position. The entertainment value of that
attempt would be worth a small fortune.

Ron