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-- "Many have forgotten this truth, but you must not forget it. You remain responsible, forever, for what you have tamed." ~Antoine de Saint-Exupery "Cele" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:35:26 GMT, "Betsy" wrote: Fair enough, Betsy. I agree with that. I truly wasn't looking to be all critical. It's just that in my line of work, these days, practically *everyone* has ADHD, whether they do or not, if you see what I mean. :-) Take care. Cele Right. I have truly seen only a handful of children who I would truly classify as ADHD. I feel that diagnosis is overused in today's society. Some kids have an attention deficit...it's that they don't get enough attention. Others truly have the inability to control impulses. It's too easy to look for a "quick fix" to a problem, and that encourages medicating people when it is unnecessary; tragic when it's a growing child. I can truly see your point of view Cele. Take care yourself. Betsy Yup, that's what I see too. That's in no way to minimise the difficulties for those who *do* have ADHD, or the difficulties of those who have the diagnosis but not the syndrome. Those guys generally have *something*, regardless. Anyway, you take care, too. So where shall we all meet this summer? Cele Right now, we're not too sure what the diagnosis on this kiddo is.... we had one therapist do an eval that said he had bipolar NOS and ADHD and we had other therapists (at the hospital) simply say that he has mood disorder.... no one can agree on anything.... One therapist said that it sounded like I needed to get a neurological consult to rule out possible seizure disorder! OY! But then.... that's not unreasonable and it's something I tried to do but my insurance won't cover it.... gotta love insurance companies! |
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Subject: Need a couple of ideas and resources
From: oaway (Joelle) Date: 9/18/2004 9:28 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: t sucks that your daughter's boyfriend left her but I can't say it is surprising. Of course it's not surprising. Bebe never wanted to share her grandchild with her father. Joelle, I just do not get it , I really don't, I am not this person you keep calling me? I supported both these kids in this, my grand-daughters daddy as much as my own daughter. you are dead wrong in what you are saying. I sat him down one day and told him straight out that he may one day end up with custody of his daughter because of my daughters mental health issues . I asked him if he thought he could handle that, he said then he thought he could. I said good I needed to know that. I do not believe a child should ever be kept from either parent unless the parent was abusive. If she is patient, she will find he will come back to be a father. Although grandma will do everything she can to prevent it. Again Joelle, this is what I am saying about you with me? There is no way I coulod ever do that, I love my grand-children dearly, they are my GRAND KIDS and I am very content with that. I am 43 years old, tired, stressed out and angry about the lack of compassion in the world. I am not who you say I am. He probably won't come back to her though. It is hard for her I am sure though so I hope she hangs in there. She should move away from her mother. Joelle, I truly hope and pray, that one day within the next few years she can be dependant enough and mentally healthy enough to move out on her own with her baby , I am saddened for her that at this point she may have to do this on her own and I do have concerns that she is able to. My daughter and I have been through a lot over the past few years, the progress she has made is awsome, we communicate well and have discussed the one day she will be out on her own scenario, heh , we both started to cry, we have become really close, she picked a song by the Pretenders called "I'll stand by you " and told me she thinks of her and I when she hears it. This is why I know I have done good with my kids. She does not need to move out , and struggle when she has a family that loves and supports her , why would you say this if not to just be mean? Bev Joelle The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St Augustine Joelle |
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-- "Many have forgotten this truth, but you must not forget it. You remain responsible, forever, for what you have tamed." ~Antoine de Saint-Exupery "Tiffany" wrote in message ... "CME" wrote in message news:3eG2d.39799$KU5.24081@edtnps89... "Bebelestrnge0721" wrote in message ... ubject: Need a couple of ideas and resources From: "slykitten" ms Date: 9/16/2004 10:57 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: do you have any clue about anything??? he IS my son's STEP DAD!!!! he's the ONLY DAD my son has EVER known! He became DAD when my son was 15 months old and he accepted US. Yes, he IS STEP DAD. -- No Sly she does not have a clue... I do though , I understand 100%. My daughters had a step mom, from the time the oldest was 5 1/2 and the youngest she was 6 months old, would we have married over 20 years ago probably, but we were denied that right. What do I feel about the paperwork now F%$# it, means nothing what we had was more than any piece of paper could give us. Our vows were etched within our hearts . Stay strong let it roll off it doesn't matter if there are people so shallow that they don't get it. Take care Bev Are you on medication because I think you missed a dose. You see what you want to see, but I'm telling you, your judgement is clouded by your personal vendetta against Joelle. But then again, why am I wasting my breath when I'm supposed to be holding it. Good luck to you in life, I sincerely think you'll need it. Christine Yeah, let it out.... breath please. I agree as I tried to bring some awareness to her concerning Joelle's posts. But, hey, what do we know? T I don't believe I was replying to Joelle because her advice was sound and I don't believe that she'd bash my beliefs religiously as marriage is a personal choice, etc.... however, I do believe it was a reply from that Bebelstrange person because this person has had a history of replying nastily to me in the past. That's ok though too. I do hope I hadn't lashed at Joelle and please keep in mind that when I made some of my initial replies, I was only out of the hospital not more than a day or two and still feeling the effects of being really sick. I've had the chance to since read through and I'm amazed really that I'm not alone! |
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"slykitten" wrote in message ... -- snipped T Believe me.... I've talked this over with my parents, my grampa, my sig other and our therapist and we've all agreed that we believe that it probably did scare the **** out of him! in fact.... it actually scared me pretty good too.... I didn't realize just how serious it was until I went back to my old anatomy books and read up on the digestive system and the diseases of the digestive system. I got really lucky. I am incredibly thankful too. Yeah, I did a small amount of reading about it to. Eecckkk. Eat your fiber! T |
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Subject: Need a couple of ideas and resources
From: oaway (Joelle) Date: 9/18/2004 9:26 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Joelle is not offering me sincere prayers for my grandchild. S I have very sincere prayers for your grandchild. O.K. She is saying my granddaughter needs her prayer She does. O.K. to save my grandchild from me, That's right because I believe you are using her to fill your loss. O.K.............I didn't lose a child, I lost my Dad going on 6 years now, and my partner and friend , who I had been friends with for 8 years and partners for 14 years which is coming up on 4 years now. I spent 22 of my 43 years with her by my side , yeah I miss her big time but there is nothing in this whole world that will ever fill that space . That void will not fill, not with a new relationship, not with a friend , not with a child, nor a grand child. I fill my life with as much joy as possible yes, The baby does give me joy and has brought a ray of light into our lives but she isn't something to be used to fill a void, a loss, my loss, Nope. Everything else you wrote in this post is crap. what can I say, sometimes I talk out my ass ? Bev Joelle The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St Augustine Joelle |
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"slykitten" wrote in message news -- "Many have forgotten this truth, but you must not forget it. You remain responsible, forever, for what you have tamed." ~Antoine de Saint-Exupery "Tiffany" wrote in message ... "CME" wrote in message news:3eG2d.39799$KU5.24081@edtnps89... "Bebelestrnge0721" wrote in message ... ubject: Need a couple of ideas and resources From: "slykitten" ms Date: 9/16/2004 10:57 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: do you have any clue about anything??? he IS my son's STEP DAD!!!! he's the ONLY DAD my son has EVER known! He became DAD when my son was 15 months old and he accepted US. Yes, he IS STEP DAD. -- No Sly she does not have a clue... I do though , I understand 100%. My daughters had a step mom, from the time the oldest was 5 1/2 and the youngest she was 6 months old, would we have married over 20 years ago probably, but we were denied that right. What do I feel about the paperwork now F%$# it, means nothing what we had was more than any piece of paper could give us. Our vows were etched within our hearts . Stay strong let it roll off it doesn't matter if there are people so shallow that they don't get it. Take care Bev Are you on medication because I think you missed a dose. You see what you want to see, but I'm telling you, your judgement is clouded by your personal vendetta against Joelle. But then again, why am I wasting my breath when I'm supposed to be holding it. Good luck to you in life, I sincerely think you'll need it. Christine Yeah, let it out.... breath please. I agree as I tried to bring some awareness to her concerning Joelle's posts. But, hey, what do we know? T I don't believe I was replying to Joelle because her advice was sound and I don't believe that she'd bash my beliefs religiously as marriage is a personal choice, etc.... however, I do believe it was a reply from that Bebelstrange person because this person has had a history of replying nastily to me in the past. That's ok though too. I do hope I hadn't lashed at Joelle and please keep in mind that when I made some of my initial replies, I was only out of the hospital not more than a day or two and still feeling the effects of being really sick. I've had the chance to since read through and I'm amazed really that I'm not alone! No sweat..... I was referring to bring awareness to someone else....... it gets crazy, don't worry about it. lol T |
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Joelle, I just do not get it , I really don't, I am not this person you keep
calling me? I remember vividly LOTS of people giving you advice, most of it was how you had to LET GO of this child and let your daughter and the father be parents, even if they make mistakes. You refused to listen, came back with vicim stories and it was really clear that you were using this baby to distract you from your grief. It wasn't only me that noticed, I just probably was the least nice about pointing it out. Now if time has passed and you are ready to let go of that child and let your DAUGHER be the MOTHER--even if it means taking the baby out in the snow, then good for you. We all change and grow. Joelle The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St Augustine Joelle |
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Subject: Need a couple of ideas and resources
From: oaway (Joelle) Date: 9/18/2004 8:31 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Joelle, I just do not get it , I really don't, I am not this person you keep calling me? I remember vividly LOTS of people giving you advice, most of it was how you had to LET GO of this child and let your daughter and the father be parents, even if they make mistakes. I remember being told to give the baby up for adoption, and that I was wrong to be helping my daughter raise the baby? Apparently I missed the "reason" eveyone felt that way. You refused to listen, came back with vicim stories not sure what you mean about Victim stories ? and it was really clear that you were using this baby to distract you from your grief. Really? I have never felt this , I don't see it now even ? I am a mom with a teenage daughter with mental health disabilities , she got herself pregnant, and came to me for help, we discussed what we would do, bottom line SHE did not want to give the baby up in any way. Good , fine, Mom will help you till you are out of school and have your feet on the ground . Moms sin "guilt". Moms sin "fear". Moms sin "fear of loss" yes.I trully believe my daughter would not survive if I made her give up the baby or have an abortion. I was told my daughter manipulated me very well, by many a person. I could be indeed guilty of many things in my grief but use this baby as a distraction? I must be crazy if that is what I have done..................... It wasn't only me that noticed, I just probably was the least nice about pointing it out. I do know myself better than anyone, I know I see the baby as a great joy for us to have been blessed with. I did not get pregnant to fill a void , or loss, my daughter did, she will tell you she wanted to have a baby because no one could take it away. News flash I told her "you don't take care of the baby and yes someone can and will. " If this is what everyone thought I am sorry, If there is something about my love and concern for my daughter and granddaughter to get through this safely that is unhealthy, I do not recognise it. Now if time has passed and you are ready to let go of that child and let your DAUGHER be the MOTHER--even if it means taking the baby out in the snow, then good for you. We all change and grow. argh........O.K. I know... yes ...but make sure you put on her hat, gloves, scarf, boots, and sun screen, and if her lips turn blue it is time to come in Thanks , I just grew an inch.......................... Joelle The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St Augustine Joelle |
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I remember being told to give the baby up for adoption, and that I was wrong
to be helping my daughter raise the baby? Why don't you go google the whole thread again. Maybe you'll be able to hear better what people were telling you. not sure what you mean about Victim stories ? You are a victim. Nothing is your fault. You aren't responsbile for anything bad that's happened to you. Nothing anybody suggests will work because the whole world is against you. Anybody who doesn't tell you what you want to hear is abusing you. Joelle The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St Augustine Joelle |
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