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Old January 6th 07, 05:04 AM posted to alt.parenting.spanking
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm

Source: Society for Research in Child Development

The study grew out of existing controversies over whether parents
should spank their children or use other forms of physical discipline.
While some experts argue that physical discipline should never be used
because of evidence that it is related to more, rather than fewer,
child behavior problems and might escalate into physical abuse, others
argue that the effects of physical discipline might depend on
characteristics of children and families and the circumstances in which
physical discipline is used.

To find out if the latter theory was valid, researchers from Duke
University in North Carolina, Chinese University of Hong Kong,
Göteborg University in Sweden, the University of Naples, the
University of Rome and the Istituto Universitario di Scienze Motorie in
Italy, Chiang Mai University in Thailand, the University of Delhi in
India, the University of Oregon and California State University-Long
Beach questioned 336 mothers and their children in China, India, Italy,
Kenya, the Philippines, and Thailand about cultural norms surrounding
the use of physical discipline and how it affects children's aggression
and anxiety.

They first asked mothers how often they physically disciplined their
children, and then asked mothers and children how often they thought
other parents in their country physically disciplined their children.
Finally, they asked mothers and children how often the child worries,
is fearful, gets in fights, bullies others and other questions to
measure children's aggression and anxiety.

The researchers found differences in how often mothers used physical
discipline and the mothers' perceptions of how often other parents used
physical discipline. Specifically:

* Mothers in Thailand were least likely to physically discipline
their children, followed by mothers in China, the Philippines, Italy,
India, and Kenya, with mothers in Kenya most likely to physically
discipline their children.
* More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was perceived as
being more culturally accepted, but physical discipline was also
associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
perception of cultural acceptance.
* In countries in which physical discipline was more common and
culturally accepted, children who were physically disciplined were less
aggressive and less anxious than children who were physically
disciplined in countries where physical discipline was rarely used.
* In all countries, however, higher use of physical discipline was
associated with more child aggression and anxiety.

"One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
groups," said lead researcher Jennifer Lansford, Ph.D., a research
scientist at the Center for Child and Family Policy at Duke University.
"A particular parenting practice may become a problem only if parents
use it in a cultural context that does not support the practice (for
example, if they migrate from one country to another)."

However, she notes, some practices that were condoned historically
(e.g., child labor) are now condemned, at least in certain countries.
"A larger question is whether a parenting practice is acceptable,
regardless of whether it occurs commonly within a cultural group."

###

Summarized from Child Development, Vol. 76, Issue 6, Physical
Discipline and Children's Adjustment: Cultural Normativeness as a
Moderator by Lansford JE. Dodge KA Malone PS and Quinn N. (Duke
University), Chang L (Chinese University of Hong Kong), Oburu P and
Palmérus K (Göteborg University), Bacchini D (University of Naples),
Pastorelli C and Bombi AS (Rome University), Zelli A (Istituto
Universitario di Scienze Motorie), Tapanya S(Chiang Mai University),
Chaudhary N (University of Delhi), Deater-Deckard K (University of
Oregon), and Manke B (California State University, Long Beach).
Copyright 2005 The Society for Research in Child Development, Inc. All
rights reserved.

Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by Society
for Research in Child Development.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm

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Old January 7th 07, 02:13 AM posted to alt.parenting.spanking
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0:- wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm

Source: Society for Research in Child Development



.... * More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was perceived as
being more culturally accepted, but physical discipline was also
associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
perception of cultural acceptance. ...


.... * In all countries, however, higher use of physical discipline
was
associated with more child aggression and anxiety. ...

The silence is deafening.

Will I simply get another babbling change of subject from Doan?

Or will he continue to display his cowardice and shame his good family
name?

R R R R ....hihihi



http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm


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Old January 10th 07, 10:24 PM posted to alt.parenting.spanking
Carlson LaVonne
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Default Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless OfCultural Norm

Well, I received a multitude of similar responses when I posted a
reference to this study. It's hard to accept defeat or to debate
intelligently in light of solid evidence that refutes one's personal
beliefs.

When that happens, one can engage in avoidance, changing the subject, or
verbal abuse. In my over ten years of involvement on this ng, and in
working with families, children, and students, I'm familiar with all
three strategies.

None of the strategies change the evidence research has demonstrated.
Hitting children is no more effective than alternative strategies that
model, teach, and hold children accountable, and it carries the
potential for both short and long term harm. We now have evidence that
context and culture does not eliminate the potential for negative
outcomes or decrease the effectiveness of alternative discipline strategies.

LaVonne

0:- wrote:
0:- wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm

Source: Society for Research in Child Development



... * More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was perceived as
being more culturally accepted, but physical discipline was also
associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
perception of cultural acceptance. ...


... * In all countries, however, higher use of physical discipline
was
associated with more child aggression and anxiety. ...

The silence is deafening.

Will I simply get another babbling change of subject from Doan?

Or will he continue to display his cowardice and shame his good family
name?

R R R R ....hihihi


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm


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Old January 10th 07, 11:08 PM posted to alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless Of Cultural Norm


Carlson LaVonne wrote:
Well, I received a multitude of similar responses when I posted a
reference to this study. It's hard to accept defeat or to debate
intelligently in light of solid evidence that refutes one's personal
beliefs.

When that happens, one can engage in avoidance, changing the subject, or
verbal abuse. In my over ten years of involvement on this ng, and in
working with families, children, and students, I'm familiar with all
three strategies.

None of the strategies change the evidence research has demonstrated.
Hitting children is no more effective than alternative strategies that
model, teach, and hold children accountable, and it carries the
potential for both short and long term harm. We now have evidence that
context and culture does not eliminate the potential for negative
outcomes or decrease the effectiveness of alternative discipline strategies.


I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for any comprehensive debate
from the pro spank faction. Though doubtless they wish I would. 0:-]

Kane


LaVonne

0:- wrote:
0:- wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm

Source: Society for Research in Child Development



... * More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was perceived as
being more culturally accepted, but physical discipline was also
associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
perception of cultural acceptance. ...


... * In all countries, however, higher use of physical discipline
was
associated with more child aggression and anxiety. ...

The silence is deafening.

Will I simply get another babbling change of subject from Doan?

Or will he continue to display his cowardice and shame his good family
name?

R R R R ....hihihi


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm



  #5  
Old January 11th 07, 01:22 AM posted to alt.parenting.spanking
Doan
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Default Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless OfCultural Norm


First, the study is a correlation study. No CAUSATION can be implied.
Thus, the claim that spanking "Leads" to child aggression and anxiety
is bogus! Second, the authors themselves admitted that they included
beatings that are certainly abusive in the USA in study. If you really
want to debate this study, I am willing to give it a shot - no verbal
abuse warranted. ;-) Wanna give me a try? My guess is you will be
the one that do the avoidance and instead will use your little Kane9
to do the verbal abuse and attack for you.

Doan

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Carlson LaVonne wrote:

Well, I received a multitude of similar responses when I posted a
reference to this study. It's hard to accept defeat or to debate
intelligently in light of solid evidence that refutes one's personal
beliefs.

When that happens, one can engage in avoidance, changing the subject, or
verbal abuse. In my over ten years of involvement on this ng, and in
working with families, children, and students, I'm familiar with all
three strategies.

None of the strategies change the evidence research has demonstrated.
Hitting children is no more effective than alternative strategies that
model, teach, and hold children accountable, and it carries the
potential for both short and long term harm. We now have evidence that
context and culture does not eliminate the potential for negative
outcomes or decrease the effectiveness of alternative discipline strategies.

LaVonne

0:- wrote:
0:- wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm

Source: Society for Research in Child Development



... * More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was perceived as
being more culturally accepted, but physical discipline was also
associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
perception of cultural acceptance. ...


... * In all countries, however, higher use of physical discipline
was
associated with more child aggression and anxiety. ...

The silence is deafening.

Will I simply get another babbling change of subject from Doan?

Or will he continue to display his cowardice and shame his good family
name?

R R R R ....hihihi


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm




  #6  
Old January 11th 07, 01:23 AM posted to alt.parenting.spanking
Doan
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Default Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless OfCultural Norm

On 10 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:


Carlson LaVonne wrote:
Well, I received a multitude of similar responses when I posted a
reference to this study. It's hard to accept defeat or to debate
intelligently in light of solid evidence that refutes one's personal
beliefs.

When that happens, one can engage in avoidance, changing the subject, or
verbal abuse. In my over ten years of involvement on this ng, and in
working with families, children, and students, I'm familiar with all
three strategies.

None of the strategies change the evidence research has demonstrated.
Hitting children is no more effective than alternative strategies that
model, teach, and hold children accountable, and it carries the
potential for both short and long term harm. We now have evidence that
context and culture does not eliminate the potential for negative
outcomes or decrease the effectiveness of alternative discipline strategies.


I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for any comprehensive debate
from the pro spank faction. Though doubtless they wish I would. 0:-]

Kane

In other words, you will resort to lies and verbal abuses! Is it you that
said that your mom approved your calling other women a "smelly-****"?

AF


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Old January 11th 07, 03:53 AM posted to alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless OfCultural Norm


Doan wrote:
First, the study is a correlation study.


Yes?

No CAUSATION can be implied.


Do you have a "causation" study to share with us that supports spanking?
Please show it.

No causation was implied by LaVonne. Read what she actually said, before
you start your usual stream of weaseling dodges and outright lies, stupid.

Thus, the claim that spanking "Leads" to child aggression and anxiety
is bogus!


Really? We make judgments about what is and isn't true based only on
"causation" research outcomes?

When you have enough correlation you can make determinate assumptions
that are considered quite valid in social, and for that matter, other
sciences.

You are abusing science by your comments.

Correlation is a valid scientific concept. It is and has been used
successfully to make major policy and decisions to action on things as
varied as rocket launches, and what to serve for breakfast.

You are full of bull****, Doan.

Second, the authors themselves admitted that they included
beatings that are certainly abusive in the USA in study.


The same kind of "beatings" that have been defended in this very
newsgroup as acceptable corporal punishment.

They also said that regardless of where they got the data from,
including were children are NOT beaten, it resulted in negative outcomes.

Why do you start off right out of the chute lying, Doan?

If you really
want to debate this study, I am willing to give it a shot - no verbal
abuse warranted. ;-)


Bull****. You will be into ad hom the first time you are stumped.

Wanna give me a try?


No. You are a liar, and as a debater, rank right up there with Goebbels,
as a thug and attack monkey.

I'd like to debate someone that debates.

My guess is you will be
the one that do the avoidance and instead will use your little Kane9
to do the verbal abuse and attack for you.


Trying your best to keep me out of the argument, I see. Trying to negate
LaVonne's argument by pretending that my joining in would contaminate
her debate. I see.

You are a liar and fool, you stupid little git.

SEE STUPID DOAN THE HYSTERICAL MONKEYBOY.

YOU, Doan, started OFF with verbal abuse and attack on the poster.

Go **** up a rope stupid. You are unethical, immoral, a liar, and an
insult to the Doan family name. YOU just proved it AGAIN.

Get some of them here to witness what you are up to and you'd be
ostracized by your own kin. I have far too much respect for them to let
you get away with this, you little ****ant.

LIAR.

Have a happy new year, Coward, Liar, dishonorable little steaming
dog-**** pile

Start with an insult, you are going to get them back. Trust me.

Would you like to go back and try another start? A polite one, devoid of
ad hom or sly attack on the poster, and begin with facts and logic
instead of the usual lies you promulgate?

Kane


Doan

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Carlson LaVonne wrote:

Well, I received a multitude of similar responses when I posted a
reference to this study. It's hard to accept defeat or to debate
intelligently in light of solid evidence that refutes one's personal
beliefs.

When that happens, one can engage in avoidance, changing the

subject, or
verbal abuse. In my over ten years of involvement on this ng, and in
working with families, children, and students, I'm familiar with all
three strategies.

None of the strategies change the evidence research has demonstrated.
Hitting children is no more effective than alternative strategies that
model, teach, and hold children accountable, and it carries the
potential for both short and long term harm. We now have evidence that
context and culture does not eliminate the potential for negative
outcomes or decrease the effectiveness of alternative discipline

strategies.

LaVonne

0:- wrote:
0:- wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm

Source: Society for Research in Child Development


... * More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was

perceived as
being more culturally accepted, but physical discipline was also
associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
perception of cultural acceptance. ...


... * In all countries, however, higher use of physical

discipline
was
associated with more child aggression and anxiety. ...

The silence is deafening.

Will I simply get another babbling change of subject from Doan?

Or will he continue to display his cowardice and shame his good

family
name?

R R R R ....hihihi


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm


  #8  
Old January 11th 07, 04:39 AM posted to alt.parenting.spanking
Doan
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Default Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless OfCultural Norm

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:


Doan wrote:
First, the study is a correlation study.


Yes?

No CAUSATION can be implied.


Do you have a "causation" study to share with us that supports spanking?
Please show it.

No causation was implied by LaVonne. Read what she actually said, before
you start your usual stream of weaseling dodges and outright lies, stupid.

Thus, the claim that spanking "Leads" to child aggression and anxiety
is bogus!


Really? We make judgments about what is and isn't true based only on
"causation" research outcomes?

When you have enough correlation you can make determinate assumptions
that are considered quite valid in social, and for that matter, other
sciences.

You are abusing science by your comments.

And you are, once again, exposing your STUPIDITY by yours!

Correlation is a valid scientific concept. It is and has been used
successfully to make major policy and decisions to action on things as
varied as rocket launches, and what to serve for breakfast.

Hahaha! Correlation is not causation is the first thing they teach in
statistics 101! Are you this STUPID???

You are full of bull****, Doan.


Oops! More **** coming out of more mouth again! ;-)



Second, the authors themselves admitted that they included
beatings that are certainly abusive in the USA in study.


The same kind of "beatings" that have been defended in this very
newsgroup as acceptable corporal punishment.

They also said that regardless of where they got the data from,
including were children are NOT beaten, it resulted in negative outcomes.

Hahaha! Which children were not beaten, Kane.

Why do you start off right out of the chute lying, Doan?

Why do you always a STUPID liar, Kane?

If you really
want to debate this study, I am willing to give it a shot - no verbal
abuse warranted. ;-)


Bull****. You will be into ad hom the first time you are stumped.

What a hypocrite!

Wanna give me a try?


No. You are a liar, and as a debater, rank right up there with Goebbels,
as a thug and attack monkey.

I'd like to debate someone that debates.

My guess is you will be
the one that do the avoidance and instead will use your little Kane9
to do the verbal abuse and attack for you.


Trying your best to keep me out of the argument, I see. Trying to negate
LaVonne's argument by pretending that my joining in would contaminate
her debate. I see.

You are a liar and fool, you stupid little git.

SEE STUPID DOAN THE HYSTERICAL MONKEYBOY.

See STUPID KANE doing the dirty works for his master, LaVonne.

YOU, Doan, started OFF with verbal abuse and attack on the poster.

Another STUPID LIE, Kane.

Go **** up a rope stupid. You are unethical, immoral, a liar, and an
insult to the Doan family name. YOU just proved it AGAIN.

Hihihi! I have proven that you are a STUPID liar!

Get some of them here to witness what you are up to and you'd be
ostracized by your own kin. I have far too much respect for them to let
you get away with this, you little ****ant.

Hahaha! And your mom should be proud of you; especially when called
others "smelly-****"!

LIAR.

That would be YOU, Kane!

Have a happy new year, Coward, Liar, dishonorable little steaming
dog-**** pile

You are Kane9 so the "dog-****" must come from your mouth! ;-)

Start with an insult, you are going to get them back. Trust me.

Hihihi! Your mom taught you well!

Would you like to go back and try another start? A polite one, devoid of
ad hom or sly attack on the poster, and begin with facts and logic
instead of the usual lies you promulgate?

Hahaha! Would you stop being an attack dog for LaVonne?

Kane

AF


Doan

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Carlson LaVonne wrote:

Well, I received a multitude of similar responses when I posted a
reference to this study. It's hard to accept defeat or to debate
intelligently in light of solid evidence that refutes one's personal
beliefs.

When that happens, one can engage in avoidance, changing the

subject, or
verbal abuse. In my over ten years of involvement on this ng, and in
working with families, children, and students, I'm familiar with all
three strategies.

None of the strategies change the evidence research has demonstrated.
Hitting children is no more effective than alternative strategies that
model, teach, and hold children accountable, and it carries the
potential for both short and long term harm. We now have evidence that
context and culture does not eliminate the potential for negative
outcomes or decrease the effectiveness of alternative discipline

strategies.

LaVonne

0:- wrote:
0:- wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm

Source: Society for Research in Child Development


... * More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was

perceived as
being more culturally accepted, but physical discipline was also
associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
perception of cultural acceptance. ...


... * In all countries, however, higher use of physical

discipline
was
associated with more child aggression and anxiety. ...

The silence is deafening.

Will I simply get another babbling change of subject from Doan?

Or will he continue to display his cowardice and shame his good

family
name?

R R R R ....hihihi


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm




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Old January 11th 07, 01:14 PM posted to alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless OfCultural Norm

Doan wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:


Hysterical yammering screeching monkeyboy nonsense.

Go away, stupid.


First, the study is a correlation study.


Yes?

No CAUSATION can be implied.


Do you have a "causation" study to share with us that supports spanking?
Please show it.

No causation was implied by LaVonne. Read what she actually said, before
you start your usual stream of weaseling dodges and outright lies, stupid.

Thus, the claim that spanking "Leads" to child aggression and anxiety
is bogus!


Really? We make judgments about what is and isn't true based only on
"causation" research outcomes?

When you have enough correlation you can make determinate assumptions
that are considered quite valid in social, and for that matter, other
sciences.

You are abusing science by your comments.

And you are, once again, exposing your STUPIDITY by yours!

Correlation is a valid scientific concept. It is and has been used
successfully to make major policy and decisions to action on things as
varied as rocket launches, and what to serve for breakfast.

Hahaha! Correlation is not causation is the first thing they teach in
statistics 101! Are you this STUPID???

You are full of bull****, Doan.


Oops! More **** coming out of more mouth again! ;-)


Second, the authors themselves admitted that they included
beatings that are certainly abusive in the USA in study.


The same kind of "beatings" that have been defended in this very
newsgroup as acceptable corporal punishment.

They also said that regardless of where they got the data from,
including were children are NOT beaten, it resulted in negative outcomes.

Hahaha! Which children were not beaten, Kane.

Why do you start off right out of the chute lying, Doan?

Why do you always a STUPID liar, Kane?

If you really
want to debate this study, I am willing to give it a shot - no verbal
abuse warranted. ;-)


Bull****. You will be into ad hom the first time you are stumped.

What a hypocrite!

Wanna give me a try?


No. You are a liar, and as a debater, rank right up there with Goebbels,
as a thug and attack monkey.

I'd like to debate someone that debates.

My guess is you will be
the one that do the avoidance and instead will use your little Kane9
to do the verbal abuse and attack for you.


Trying your best to keep me out of the argument, I see. Trying to negate
LaVonne's argument by pretending that my joining in would contaminate
her debate. I see.

You are a liar and fool, you stupid little git.

SEE STUPID DOAN THE HYSTERICAL MONKEYBOY.

See STUPID KANE doing the dirty works for his master, LaVonne.

YOU, Doan, started OFF with verbal abuse and attack on the poster.

Another STUPID LIE, Kane.

Go **** up a rope stupid. You are unethical, immoral, a liar, and an
insult to the Doan family name. YOU just proved it AGAIN.

Hihihi! I have proven that you are a STUPID liar!

Get some of them here to witness what you are up to and you'd be
ostracized by your own kin. I have far too much respect for them to let
you get away with this, you little ****ant.

Hahaha! And your mom should be proud of you; especially when called
others "smelly-****"!

LIAR.

That would be YOU, Kane!

Have a happy new year, Coward, Liar, dishonorable little steaming
dog-**** pile

You are Kane9 so the "dog-****" must come from your mouth! ;-)

Start with an insult, you are going to get them back. Trust me.

Hihihi! Your mom taught you well!

Would you like to go back and try another start? A polite one, devoid of
ad hom or sly attack on the poster, and begin with facts and logic
instead of the usual lies you promulgate?

Hahaha! Would you stop being an attack dog for LaVonne?

Kane

AF


Doan

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Carlson LaVonne wrote:

Well, I received a multitude of similar responses when I posted a
reference to this study. It's hard to accept defeat or to debate
intelligently in light of solid evidence that refutes one's personal
beliefs.

When that happens, one can engage in avoidance, changing the

subject, or
verbal abuse. In my over ten years of involvement on this ng, and in
working with families, children, and students, I'm familiar with all
three strategies.

None of the strategies change the evidence research has demonstrated.
Hitting children is no more effective than alternative strategies that
model, teach, and hold children accountable, and it carries the
potential for both short and long term harm. We now have evidence that
context and culture does not eliminate the potential for negative
outcomes or decrease the effectiveness of alternative discipline

strategies.

LaVonne

0:- wrote:
0:- wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm

Source: Society for Research in Child Development


... * More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was

perceived as
being more culturally accepted, but physical discipline was also
associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
perception of cultural acceptance. ...


... * In all countries, however, higher use of physical

discipline
was
associated with more child aggression and anxiety. ...

The silence is deafening.

Will I simply get another babbling change of subject from Doan?

Or will he continue to display his cowardice and shame his good

family
name?

R R R R ....hihihi


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm




  #10  
Old January 11th 07, 03:23 PM posted to alt.parenting.spanking
Doan
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Default Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless OfCultural Norm



Doan wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:


Hysterical yammering screeching monkeyboy nonsense.

Go away, stupid.

Hihihi! And I thought you wanna debate. Where is LaVonne?

AF

First, the study is a correlation study.

Yes?

No CAUSATION can be implied.

Do you have a "causation" study to share with us that supports spanking?
Please show it.

No causation was implied by LaVonne. Read what she actually said, before
you start your usual stream of weaseling dodges and outright lies, stupid.

Thus, the claim that spanking "Leads" to child aggression and anxiety
is bogus!

Really? We make judgments about what is and isn't true based only on
"causation" research outcomes?

When you have enough correlation you can make determinate assumptions
that are considered quite valid in social, and for that matter, other
sciences.

You are abusing science by your comments.

And you are, once again, exposing your STUPIDITY by yours!

Correlation is a valid scientific concept. It is and has been used
successfully to make major policy and decisions to action on things as
varied as rocket launches, and what to serve for breakfast.

Hahaha! Correlation is not causation is the first thing they teach in
statistics 101! Are you this STUPID???

You are full of bull****, Doan.


Oops! More **** coming out of more mouth again! ;-)


Second, the authors themselves admitted that they included
beatings that are certainly abusive in the USA in study.

The same kind of "beatings" that have been defended in this very
newsgroup as acceptable corporal punishment.

They also said that regardless of where they got the data from,
including were children are NOT beaten, it resulted in negative outcomes.

Hahaha! Which children were not beaten, Kane.

Why do you start off right out of the chute lying, Doan?

Why do you always a STUPID liar, Kane?

If you really
want to debate this study, I am willing to give it a shot - no verbal
abuse warranted. ;-)

Bull****. You will be into ad hom the first time you are stumped.

What a hypocrite!

Wanna give me a try?

No. You are a liar, and as a debater, rank right up there with Goebbels,
as a thug and attack monkey.

I'd like to debate someone that debates.

My guess is you will be
the one that do the avoidance and instead will use your little Kane9
to do the verbal abuse and attack for you.

Trying your best to keep me out of the argument, I see. Trying to negate
LaVonne's argument by pretending that my joining in would contaminate
her debate. I see.

You are a liar and fool, you stupid little git.

SEE STUPID DOAN THE HYSTERICAL MONKEYBOY.

See STUPID KANE doing the dirty works for his master, LaVonne.

YOU, Doan, started OFF with verbal abuse and attack on the poster.

Another STUPID LIE, Kane.

Go **** up a rope stupid. You are unethical, immoral, a liar, and an
insult to the Doan family name. YOU just proved it AGAIN.

Hihihi! I have proven that you are a STUPID liar!

Get some of them here to witness what you are up to and you'd be
ostracized by your own kin. I have far too much respect for them to let
you get away with this, you little ****ant.

Hahaha! And your mom should be proud of you; especially when called
others "smelly-****"!

LIAR.

That would be YOU, Kane!

Have a happy new year, Coward, Liar, dishonorable little steaming
dog-**** pile

You are Kane9 so the "dog-****" must come from your mouth! ;-)

Start with an insult, you are going to get them back. Trust me.

Hihihi! Your mom taught you well!

Would you like to go back and try another start? A polite one, devoid of
ad hom or sly attack on the poster, and begin with facts and logic
instead of the usual lies you promulgate?

Hahaha! Would you stop being an attack dog for LaVonne?

Kane

AF


Doan

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Carlson LaVonne wrote:

Well, I received a multitude of similar responses when I posted a
reference to this study. It's hard to accept defeat or to debate
intelligently in light of solid evidence that refutes one's personal
beliefs.

When that happens, one can engage in avoidance, changing the
subject, or
verbal abuse. In my over ten years of involvement on this ng, and in
working with families, children, and students, I'm familiar with all
three strategies.

None of the strategies change the evidence research has demonstrated.
Hitting children is no more effective than alternative strategies that
model, teach, and hold children accountable, and it carries the
potential for both short and long term harm. We now have evidence that
context and culture does not eliminate the potential for negative
outcomes or decrease the effectiveness of alternative discipline
strategies.

LaVonne

0:- wrote:
0:- wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm

Source: Society for Research in Child Development


... * More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was
perceived as
being more culturally accepted, but physical discipline was also
associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
perception of cultural acceptance. ...


... * In all countries, however, higher use of physical
discipline
was
associated with more child aggression and anxiety. ...

The silence is deafening.

Will I simply get another babbling change of subject from Doan?

Or will he continue to display his cowardice and shame his good
family
name?

R R R R ....hihihi


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm






 




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