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The Bicycle Loses Ground as a Symbol of Childhood Liberty
Barbara wrote:
Moreover, I'll point out that you have just PROVEN that this article is no longer relevant. You just posted another article -- still quite long in the tooth at 3 years old -- indicating that bikes are now flying off the shelves. In other words, the trend that was the subject of this article has been reversed. If you read it, you'll note that both articles talk about parental fear, and the second article says that bikes are being sold, but not ridden, at least not in the same way kids did 20-30-40 years ago. Frankly, I don't find the anecdotal evidence of interviewing one or two parents and concluding that they represent the majority of people in the US or world to be convincing. Of course, I also don't recall that anyone I ever met had the childhood that these authors had, with kids riding their bikes for miles and miles and spending hours in the woods at very young ages, with no parental supervision. I, for one, had a childhood very much like that. I suspect many adults over age 40 did, else these articles wouldn't draw the readers that they do. I admit my own kids don't do much of that and spend far too much time indoors. Well, if you read the newsgroup, you'd find I have, on many occasions, on several threads, commented on all of these issues. Your turn now. After all, you're the one digging up 10 year-old articles and posting them with increasing frequency; you're the one with the agenda. Why not share it with all of us. Agenda? I'm just sharing information, which is what USENET is all about. |
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The Bicycle Loses Ground as a Symbol of Childhood Liberty
c. wrote:
fgoodwin wrote: The points are valid - we used to ride our bikes everywhere as kids 30 years ago, and I'd love nothing more than for my kids to have that same freedom. But, thanks in part to the internet pedophiles are around every corner, people are driving too fast, not paying enough attention, talking on cell phones, there aren't enough sidewalks or undeveloped areas for kids to roam......irresponsible adults make it virtually impossible for responsible adults to allow their kids to cruise the neighborhood freely. Wishing things were different doesn't make it so. Um... Actually, we were just having a discussion about parental perception of danger. And the actuality is that the world is a SAFER place than it was 30years ago. But everyone assumes and thinks it's less safe. Cathy Weeks |
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The Bicycle Loses Ground as a Symbol of Childhood Liberty
Go chew a Midol you cranky moo.
"Barbara" wrote in message ups.com... fgoodwin wrote: Barbara wrote: The article discusses *trends* Are these trends holding? Are bicycle sales still down? I don't know; all I know is what happened 10 years ago. Sheesh. Why not post an article from the height of the crack epidemic and discuss current drug use among teens? Had I posted the article w/o a date, I think it would still be relevant. If you disagree, you are free to skip it. And I'm free to criticize your postings. And I will continue to do so. You copy things -- always on the same theme -- from heaven knows where, violating copyrights as if they don't exist, then have nary a word to say about it. Moreover, I'll point out that you have just PROVEN that this article is no longer relevant. You just posted another article -- still quite long in the tooth at 3 years old -- indicating that bikes are now flying off the shelves. In other words, the trend that was the subject of this article has been reversed. Frankly, I don't find the anecdotal evidence of interviewing one or two parents and concluding that they represent the majority of people in the US or world to be convincing. Of course, I also don't recall that anyone I ever met had the childhood that these authors had, with kids riding their bikes for miles and miles and spending hours in the woods at very young ages, with no parental supervision. In any event, why not tell us about YOUR kids. How old are they? What freedoms do you afford them? How does it differ from when you were a child? What problems do you think these changes cause? Good questions, all. So, does the article ring true with respect to the freedoms or limits you place on your own kids? Well, if you read the newsgroup, you'd find I have, on many occasions, on several threads, commented on all of these issues. Your turn now. After all, you're the one digging up 10 year-old articles and posting them with increasing frequency; you're the one with the agenda. Why not share it with all of us. Barbara |
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The Bicycle Loses Ground as a Symbol of Childhood Liberty
Cathy Weeks wrote:
c. wrote: fgoodwin wrote: The points are valid - we used to ride our bikes everywhere as kids 30 years ago, and I'd love nothing more than for my kids to have that same freedom. But, thanks in part to the internet pedophiles are around every corner, people are driving too fast, not paying enough attention, talking on cell phones, there aren't enough sidewalks or undeveloped areas for kids to roam......irresponsible adults make it virtually impossible for responsible adults to allow their kids to cruise the neighborhood freely. Wishing things were different doesn't make it so. Um... Actually, we were just having a discussion about parental perception of danger. And the actuality is that the world is a SAFER place than it was 30years ago. But everyone assumes and thinks it's less safe. Cathy Weeks That statement is way to broad to be applicable to my previous comment. I'm sure in some ways the world at large is safer, and in others it is probably less so. Some neighborhoods in the US are probably safer, some are most probably not. Parents generally decide what they are willing to risk and what they aren't based on what is happening in their own locality, not what some obscure data says is happening on a global scale. c. |
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The Bicycle Loses Ground as a Symbol of Childhood Liberty
One thing about this that brings to mind, never, never let your kid ride a
bike with his name anywhere on it! Makes em too easy a prey for someone to act like they know them, and cause them harm. Dave http://www.noweldrecumbent.com "LaTreen Washington" wrote in message ... Another great article Fred. I'm glad to see less of the little ****-stains on the street. Got any stats on how many precious little crotch-dumplings are backed over in the driveway by the payrunts? I bet it's more than 300 a year - especially if you add in the Lil' Sizzlers. "fgoodwin" wrote in message ps.com... The Bicycle Loses Ground as a Symbol of Childhood Liberty http://www.helmets.org/wsjstats.htm The Wall Street Journal September 9, 1996 GREELEY, Colo. -- In July, 12-year-old Cody Gillenwater and his father rode a tandem bicycle 925 miles to Phoenix. A few weeks later, his mother wouldn't let him bike by himself to a tennis class five miles from his house. "I think about the traffic, and I think about my kid getting snatched," says Marty Gillenwater, who doesn't want her only child to become another "face on the milk carton." Getting a bike used to be a kid's passport to freedom. Those who grew up in the decades through the 1970s fondly recall long summer days spent on their bikes, when they would reappear at home only to eat and sleep. No more. Many parents, even ones in quiet suburbs or serene middle-American towns like Greeley, simply don't allow their children to ride far without supervision. "I wish I could go wherever I want," says seven-year-old Alexis Fleming of the Dallas suburb of Richardson, Texas, as she sits in her living room, her father's arms around her. The only time Alexis can bike around her neighborhood is when her family goes on walks. Then she must stay on the sidewalk and go no more than two houses in front of her parents. Wistfully, she wishes aloud that she could ride all the way to the end of the block, then back to the house. "I'd stop at the stop sign," she promises. Spoken Fears What has put the brakes on Alexis and other kids, parents say, is a nagging fear of the potential dangers lurking outside their front yards. Heavier traffic and even the passage of helmet laws are constant reminders of the perils on the roads. Highly publicized kidnappings have only upped the paranoia. The irony of this isn't lost on a generation of parents who themselves pushed the boundaries of independence but don't feel comfortable with their kids doing the same. "I don't protect them from risks," explains Alexis's father, Steve Fleming, of his four children. "I just provide an atmosphere that's more controlled." So now, biking is yielding to more controllable surrogates -- supervised play groups, structured extracurricular classes and an explosion of organized sports -- that leave children with considerably less free time for discovering the world on their own. Alexis and her three siblings, for example, are kept busy with a schedule that includes not merely the old standard, baseball, but also swimming, tae kwon do and gymnastics. Alexis gets the dance lessons her mother never got as a child, while brother Zach, 8, can already do a double flip off the diving board. Still, Mr. Fleming looks back with longing on his own childhood in Colorado Springs, when he could ride wherever he wanted by the age of six. "I was a man of the world," he says. Flattening Sales Bike makers, too, have felt a noticeable shift. Sales of 20-inch bikes, those typically bought for children eight to 10, dropped to three million last year, down from 4.2 million in 1993 and a peak of 5.2 million in 1987. Some of this is attributable to rising competition from in-line skates and video games, but parental curbs on how kids use bikes is unquestionably a factor, says Bill Smith, vice president of marketing for Huffy Bicycles unit of Huffy Corp. His nine-year-old son has tough restrictions on where he can ride his bike. "I had more freedom when I grew up in the Bronx than my son does today in Dayton, Ohio," Mr. Smith observes. Parental fears -- and dwindling use -- do have an upside. Last year, 242 children five to 14 died in bike accidents, a decrease of 59% from 1975, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The decline came despite a 14% increase in the number of children in that age group since 1986. Meanwhile, though the child population has been steadily rising, the number of children kidnapped, murdered or ransomed by strangers has remained constant at about 300 a year during the past 15 years -- a statistic that doesn't make parents feel any better. "I don't think there's any question that public awareness of the issue is rising," says Ernie Allen, president of the National Association for Missing and Exploited Children. Fighting the Tide Some parents try to put aside their fears, but it isn't easy. Jill Parker of North Potomac, Md., allows her nine-year-old twin boys to ride around a bike path in the subdivision where they live. "They need to know they can do things without restrictions," she says. Still, Ms. Parker admits she worries every time the boys pedal off. "I'm scared to death about weirdos being out there and grabbing the kids," she says. Greeley, a tree-lined farm town of 60,000 about 40 miles north of Denver, seems about as far from those kinds of urban nightmares as a place could be. But Sgt. John Gates of the Greeley Police Department says the anxiety cuts across class lines. He says he sees fewer kids riding bikes on the affluent west side of Greeley than when he was growing up there, but adds that bike riding is even less common in the working-class east side. Some worry that the loss of independence can carry a price, cutting into a child's confidence and willingness to venture into new territory. Linda Robbins, who rarely allows her nine- and 11-year-old daughters to ride more than a block or two from their Greeley home, has noticed that her girls often have difficulty making decisions. She wonders whether there is a connection. "They ask me really simple things," she says. " 'What should I wear to school today? What movie should I watch?' " It can take just one incident to alarm a town, and Greeley had one this spring when a 12-year-old schoolmate of Cody Gillenwater's was struck by a car and killed after biking through a stop sign. Cody was so bothered by the death that it took him weeks before he was willing to ride past the accident site on his regular bike rides with his father, Bill. Once there, Mr. Gillenwater made a point of talking about how the accident could have been avoided. Both the Gillenwater parents are passionate recreational bike riders -- the family owns nine bicycles -- and they often ride with Cody. At the same time, their own experiences have made them more aware of the dangers their son faces as a solo cyclist. Three years ago, for example, Mrs. Gillenwater was riding by herself in the country outside Greeley when a man standing by the roadside exposed himself to her. While Mrs. Gillenwater laughs about the incident now, it also makes her aware how vulnerable her slender 5-foot-2-inch son could be. "He's a kid still," she says. "He likes people." Cody only shrugs when asked about his mom's bike rules. "Sometimes it does bother me," he says. "But drivers are not aware of what they're doing nowadays." Still, Mrs. Gillenwater goes the extra mile to keep Cody riding. Every morning she takes Cody and his bike by car across a busy highway to the elementary school where she works as a librarian. Then, Cody puts on his helmet and rides two miles to middle school with his friends. |
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c. wrote:
fgoodwin wrote: Barbara wrote: Good Lord! A 10 year-old article? Where are you digging this stuff up? It may be ten years old, but the points made are still valid, wouldn't you agree? The points are valid - we used to ride our bikes everywhere as kids 30 years ago, and I'd love nothing more than for my kids to have that same freedom. But, thanks in part to the internet pedophiles are around every corner, ------------------------------ That's a delusion produced by sensationalist media, nothing more. Your child's chance of getting "snatched" is MUCH LESS than it was when WE were kids, the public is simply deluded by the prevalence of these steamy stories in the media to sell more papers!! people are driving too fast, not paying enough attention, ------------------------------- Kids can be taught to ride the sidewalks and cross streets carefully. If you don't teach them this they are endangeed by YOU! Steve |
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c. wrote:
Cathy Weeks wrote: c. wrote: fgoodwin wrote: The points are valid - we used to ride our bikes everywhere as kids 30 years ago, and I'd love nothing more than for my kids to have that same freedom. But, thanks in part to the internet pedophiles are around every corner, people are driving too fast, not paying enough attention, talking on cell phones, there aren't enough sidewalks or undeveloped areas for kids to roam......irresponsible adults make it virtually impossible for responsible adults to allow their kids to cruise the neighborhood freely. Wishing things were different doesn't make it so. Um... Actually, we were just having a discussion about parental perception of danger. And the actuality is that the world is a SAFER place than it was 30years ago. But everyone assumes and thinks it's less safe. Cathy Weeks That statement is way to broad to be applicable to my previous comment. I'm sure in some ways the world at large is safer, and in others it is probably less so. Some neighborhoods in the US are probably safer, some are most probably not. Parents generally decide what they are willing to risk and what they aren't based on what is happening in their own locality, not what some obscure data says is happening on a global scale. c. -------------- No, that's exactly it, they DON'T! They go by the perception of danger they get from the sensationalist media without regard to the genuine statistics of risk, and they don't HAVE access to any LOCAL info except to guess at it from anecdotes or their paranoia. They become over- protective out of ignorance and delusional media anecdotes. Steve |
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"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
... c. wrote: fgoodwin wrote: Barbara wrote: The points are valid - we used to ride our bikes everywhere as kids 30 years ago, and I'd love nothing more than for my kids to have that same freedom. But, thanks in part to the internet pedophiles are around every corner, Oh yes! Oh yes! See: http://eclectech.co.uk/dailymailpicnic.php ------------------------------ That's a delusion produced by sensationalist media, nothing more. Your child's chance of getting "snatched" is MUCH LESS than it was when WE were kids, the public is simply deluded by the prevalence of these steamy stories in the media to sell more papers!! people are driving too fast, not paying enough attention, ------------------------------- Kids can be taught to ride the sidewalks and cross streets carefully. If you don't teach them this they are endangeed by YOU! And the way you teach your kids how to be a safe pedestrian and how to be a safe bicyclist is by them walking and riding with you. If you walk and ride places, your kids will walk and ride places with you. They learn by your example. Then you can feel more confident when they get to be older, that they'll be able to take care of themselves. Getting a driver's license at age 16 is much less of a big deal if you've been spending the last 6 years walking, riding, and taking the bus around the city on your own. As a parent you'll worry less; as a kid, you'll be more competent. Your job as a parent is not just to protect, but to prepare for adulthood. You need teach your kids that it's feet first -- you get there by walking or by biking as your first choice. If you don't have your kids walking and biking, you are endangering them much, much more than driving them around. Why? You're leading them into an adulthood of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. How many of our children's generation are going to get kidnapped by pedophiles? How many of them will die prematurely from one of the causes I mentioned? Which is the greater hazard? -- Warm Regards, Claire Petersky http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/ See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky |
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Claire Petersky wrote:
You need teach your kids that it's feet first -- you get there by walking or by biking as your first choice. If you don't have your kids walking and biking, you are endangering them much, much more than driving them around. Why? You're leading them into an adulthood of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. How many of our children's generation are going to get kidnapped by pedophiles? How many of them will die prematurely from one of the causes I mentioned? Which is the greater hazard? Well, now, let's not be too alarmist here. Kids need physical activity, but there's no magic to having to walk or bike everywhere. For those who live in areas where that isn't particularly suitable, they just have to find other means of physical activity--of which there are plenty. While bicycling is a great means of exercise, it is actually possible to be physically fit for a lifetime without even owning a bicycle, much less riding one ;-) Best wishes, Ericka |
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Ericka Kammerer wrote:
Claire Petersky wrote: You need teach your kids that it's feet first -- you get there by walking or by biking as your first choice. If you don't have your kids walking and biking, you are endangering them much, much more than driving them around. Why? You're leading them into an adulthood of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. How many of our children's generation are going to get kidnapped by pedophiles? How many of them will die prematurely from one of the causes I mentioned? Which is the greater hazard? Well, now, let's not be too alarmist here. Kids need physical activity, but there's no magic to having to walk or bike everywhere. For those who live in areas where that isn't particularly suitable, they just have to find other means of physical activity--of which there are plenty. While bicycling is a great means of exercise, it is actually possible to be physically fit for a lifetime without even owning a bicycle, much less riding one ;-) However if you build activity in your lifestyle, it is much easier to maintain it when life gets particularly hectic. For instance, my family will take stairs where at all feasable, rather then waiting for a lift/elevator. Our local multi-storey car parks have up to six floors, and we will almost always use the stairs, regardless of whether we need to go up one flight or up all six. For various reasons this year has been rather busy, and it has been easy for us to drop sporting activities. However, we continue to just use stairs without thinking about, and walk most places in the village without thinking about it. Certainly, we could work at including physical activity in our lives, but it is much easier if it is just part of what we do, not an extra. -- Penny Gaines UK mum to three |
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