A single mother and daughter is NOT a family

'Kate wrote in message ...
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:58:04 -0000, "Paul Griffiths"


Why am I thinking of collars and leads now...

Tease. LOL

Only ever up to a point. :-))


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"Dennis Here"
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"Lobsterboy" wrote in message
And what's wrong with welfare anyways?.
Everything. What make you entitled to the fruits of someone
elses labor

The fact that I want "you" to have some of the fruits of my labour.

Socialism as met with disaster at every attempt. No one is entitled to a
hand out

Then get the hell out of this newsgroup(s); you haven't earned the
support you get here for free. Go pay a psychiatrist or a family
counsellor.

Back in Feb. I returned to work full time and now pay nearly trice as
much per week in tax as I had to live on during those years!
Personally, I am now delighted to be paying tax again and
contributing to my government in look after people in my former
situation.

Personally I would be delighted to keep the money the guvmint steals from me
and be able to contribute to the charities I feel are worthy, and not the
collectivist guvmint.

I prefer to have the only legitimate agent of coercion, the government,
force *everyone* to contribute equally to charitable causes. By
delegating charity to the individual, you create a tragedy of the
commons in waiting. Why should *I* be the only one to contribute to
charity, if the only effect is to impoverish *me* alone? By giving
voluntarily, "good people" simply give themselves a competitive
disadvantage, so ultimately goodness selects itself out of the gene
pool.

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In article Paul Fritz
wrote:
"Dennis Here"
nyoureply wrote in
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Paul Fritz wrote in message ...
"Lobsterboy" wrote in message
And what's wrong with welfare anyways?.
Everything. What make you entitled to the fruits of someone
elses labor

The fact that I want "you" to have some of the fruits of my labour.

snicker reading comprehension is not one of your strong points is it?


Socialism as met with disaster at every attempt. No one is entitled to
a
hand out

Then get the hell out of this newsgroup(s); you haven't earned the
support you get here for free. Go pay a psychiatrist or a family
counsellor.

See above


Back in Feb. I returned to work full time and now pay nearly trice as
much per week in tax as I had to live on during those years!
Personally, I am now delighted to be paying tax again and
contributing to my government in look after people in my former
situation.

Personally I would be delighted to keep the money the guvmint steals from
me
and be able to contribute to the charities I feel are worthy, and not the
collectivist guvmint.

I prefer to have the only legitimate agent of coercion, the government,
force *everyone* to contribute equally to charitable causes. By
delegating charity to the individual, you create a tragedy of the
commons in waiting. Why should *I* be the only one to contribute to
charity, if the only effect is to impoverish *me* alone? By giving
voluntarily, "good people" simply give themselves a competitive
disadvantage, so ultimately goodness selects itself out of the gene
pool.

Must be a product of the guvmint school system. Free hint for the clueless
socialist......in the 30+ years of the 'war on poverty' the guvmint has not
gained an inch. Entitlements have never cured anything.

Simple example. There was a local soup kitchen that made quite a name for
itself with the quality of the meals it was serving. Soon there were people
lined down the street, arriving in late model cars etc. When the soup
kitchen reverted to the basics, only those that truely needed the free meal
showed up. Say thing happens with guvmint by a factor of 100.


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Don't even get me started on the health insurance system ;-)

'Kate wrote in message ...
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 06:15:07 -0800, "Paul Fritz"

Entitlements have never cured anything.

Free vaccinations for children. Do they cure? Who cares. They're
saving lives.

'Kate

Paul Fritz wrote in message ...

"Dennis Here wrote in message

Or the fruits of their own labour perhaps?
What is wrong if someone benefits from the fruit of the labour pool? That
is
why, in any decent society, it is there.

Socialism as met with disaster at every attempt. No one is entitled to a
hand out


Then your definition of socialism is very narrow. Try visualising a state
with a social conscience. A state that recognises that some people in
society
will need some kind of help from time to time. It does not make them a
socialist state.
Would you call a benevolent dictatorship like Brunei a socialist state?

"The fruit of someone else's labor" enabled me to give my son his
childhood.
For thirty ears I paid my taxes as a gainfully employed person. For two
years I gave it up to bring up my son as a stay at home father and then a
further two years working part time on a government sponsored job scheme.

And you, as well as the rest of world would be better off if those taxes
had
been left in your own pocket to begin with...instead of some guvmint
bureaucrat determining how to redistribute your wealth?


Not so. I live in a country with a very low direct tax base. Indirect taxes
are high though so I get to choose to buy or not. All basics like food are
free of indirect tax.

Back in Feb. I returned to work full time and now pay nearly trice as
much
per week in tax as I had to live on during those years!
Personally, I am now delighted to be paying tax again and contributing to
my
government in look after people in my former situation.

Personally I would be delighted to keep the money the guvmint steals from
me
and be able to contribute to the charities I feel are worthy, and not the
collectivist guvmint.


What is to stop you doing both?
Personally, I have never had a problem with tax on the basis that the more I
pay, the more I have earned.

As for "living" on welfare, it is a contradiction in terms. Over here
welfare = poverty. Over 30% of single parents in Ireland officially live
in
poverty, without welfare the figure would be over 50%.

"Poverty" is a mythical figure conjured up by socialist guvmint types to
justify stealing more of your money through taxes.

No, it is a figure based on people earning less than 50% of the national
average wage, in whatever country they reside.


I would much other my taxes went towards helping out someone living in
poverty than on tax breaks for the wealthy.
BTW, I was of the same opinion when I was wealthy.

Tax breaks for the rich......typical socialist verbage. How is it a tax
break for some one to be allowed to keep 60% of their income instead of 50%
when the majority of others are keeping 98%?

Whatever the hell happened to the simple notion of personal responsibility?


Quite right! I have personal responsibilities, including, in my society,
responsibilities to other people.
What is wrong with people like me being perfectly comfortable with handing
over my tax in the knowledge that some of it goes to help people less
fortunate than myself?

Dennis