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  #21  
Old July 9th 07, 11:46 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
bigvince
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On Jul 9, 5:37 am, Peter Bowditch wrote:
"Jan Drew" wrote:

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:45 am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative bigvince wrote:
: On Jul 5, 12:35 pm, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative JOHN wrote:


: : "By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine
directly
: : into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them
effective
: : insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything
alive to
: : prevent bacterial decomposition."


: Someone should ask Dr. Bowen how he reconciles his belief that sugar
: and salt are acceptable dietary components with their historical
: use as food preservatives.


: As you know aspartame another chlorocarbon. . .


Try again, but this time (a) answer the point that was raised and
(b) without incorrectly referring to aspartame as a "chlorocarbon" (it
isn't; it's a methyl ester of a dipeptide)


Credulous Vince has Aspartame confused with Splenda. Don't expect him
to understand his mistake or any other aspect of chemistry.


When will all those horrific side effects of Aspartame finally
manifest?


Ten years ago, Not-A-Doctor Betty Martini claimed that aspartame would
make you blind.


Where are all those blind people?


http://www.answers.com/topic/blindness?cat=health


In November 2004 article Magnitude and causes of visual impairment, the WHO
estimated that in 2002 there were 161 million (about 2.6% of the world
population) visually impaired people in the world, of whom 124 million
(about 2%) had low vision and 37 million (about 0.6%) were blind. [9]
====


How would anyone know if anyone's blindness was caused by aspartame? After
all the health effects are denied...


For ONE reason, it's called M O N E Y.


BTW, what were you doing 30 years ago?


How about 15 years ago?


Hmmmm.


Jan, the leading cause of blindness in children around the world is
measles. Please remember that the next time you feel the need to
support some anti-vaccination liar.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles



Leading cause of childhood blindness
"Causes of Blindness
Causes of Childhood Blindness: Worldwide

Vitamin A Deficiency (Xerophthalmia)

A recent analysis of data indicates that vitamin A deficiency is the
leading cause of childhood blindness. It was estimated that 70% of the
500,000 children who become blind annually do so because of
xerophthalmia. This corresponds to a prevalence of roughly 1 million
in view of the high mortality among affected children. (Thylefors, et
al.', source Lighthouse International link
http://www.lighthouse.org/medical/causes-of-blindness/


  #22  
Old July 12th 07, 03:25 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
Mark Probert
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bigvince wrote:
On Jul 9, 5:37 am, Peter Bowditch wrote:
"" wrote:

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:45 am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative bigvince wrote:
: On Jul 5, 12:35 pm, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative JOHN wrote:
: : "By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine
directly
: : into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them
effective
: : insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything
alive to
: : prevent bacterial decomposition."
: Someone should ask Dr. Bowen how he reconciles his belief that sugar
: and salt are acceptable dietary components with their historical
: use as food preservatives.
: As you know aspartame another chlorocarbon. . .
Try again, but this time (a) answer the point that was raised and
(b) without incorrectly referring to aspartame as a "chlorocarbon" (it
isn't; it's a methyl ester of a dipeptide)
Credulous Vince has Aspartame confused with Splenda. Don't expect him
to understand his mistake or any other aspect of chemistry.
When will all those horrific side effects of Aspartame finally
manifest?
Ten years ago, Not-A-Doctor Betty Martini claimed that aspartame would
make you blind.
Where are all those blind people?
http://www.answers.com/topic/blindness?cat=health
In November 2004 article Magnitude and causes of visual impairment, the WHO
estimated that in 2002 there were 161 million (about 2.6% of the world
population) visually impaired people in the world, of whom 124 million
(about 2%) had low vision and 37 million (about 0.6%) were blind. [9]
====
How would anyone know if anyone's blindness was caused by aspartame? After
all the health effects are denied...
For ONE reason, it's called M O N E Y.
BTW, what were you doing 30 years ago?
How about 15 years ago?
Hmmmm.

, the leading cause of blindness in children around the world is
measles. Please remember that the next time you feel the need to
support some anti-vaccination liar.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles



Leading cause of childhood blindness
"Causes of Blindness
Causes of Childhood Blindness: Worldwide

Vitamin A Deficiency (Xerophthalmia)

A recent analysis of data indicates that vitamin A deficiency is the
leading cause of childhood blindness. It was estimated that 70% of the
500,000 children who become blind annually do so because of
xerophthalmia. This corresponds to a prevalence of roughly 1 million
in view of the high mortality among affected children. (Thylefors, et
al.', source Lighthouse International link
http://www.lighthouse.org/medical/causes-of-blindness/


Vinnie, you are right on the money. Home run! Grand slam!

Unlike claimed by Not-A-Doctor Betty Martini, aspartame plays no part in
worldwide blindness. Your website conclusively proves it, as it lists
the causes of blindness.

Good job, and thanks for covering my six.



  #23  
Old July 12th 07, 04:38 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
Peter Bowditch
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Mark Probert wrote:

bigvince wrote:
On Jul 9, 5:37 am, Peter Bowditch wrote:
"" wrote:

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:45 am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative bigvince wrote:
: On Jul 5, 12:35 pm, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative JOHN wrote:
: : "By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine
directly
: : into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them
effective
: : insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything
alive to
: : prevent bacterial decomposition."
: Someone should ask Dr. Bowen how he reconciles his belief that sugar
: and salt are acceptable dietary components with their historical
: use as food preservatives.
: As you know aspartame another chlorocarbon. . .
Try again, but this time (a) answer the point that was raised and
(b) without incorrectly referring to aspartame as a "chlorocarbon" (it
isn't; it's a methyl ester of a dipeptide)
Credulous Vince has Aspartame confused with Splenda. Don't expect him
to understand his mistake or any other aspect of chemistry.
When will all those horrific side effects of Aspartame finally
manifest?
Ten years ago, Not-A-Doctor Betty Martini claimed that aspartame would
make you blind.
Where are all those blind people?
http://www.answers.com/topic/blindness?cat=health
In November 2004 article Magnitude and causes of visual impairment, the WHO
estimated that in 2002 there were 161 million (about 2.6% of the world
population) visually impaired people in the world, of whom 124 million
(about 2%) had low vision and 37 million (about 0.6%) were blind. [9]
====
How would anyone know if anyone's blindness was caused by aspartame? After
all the health effects are denied...
For ONE reason, it's called M O N E Y.
BTW, what were you doing 30 years ago?
How about 15 years ago?
Hmmmm.
, the leading cause of blindness in children around the world is
measles. Please remember that the next time you feel the need to
support some anti-vaccination liar.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles



Leading cause of childhood blindness
"Causes of Blindness
Causes of Childhood Blindness: Worldwide

Vitamin A Deficiency (Xerophthalmia)

A recent analysis of data indicates that vitamin A deficiency is the
leading cause of childhood blindness. It was estimated that 70% of the
500,000 children who become blind annually do so because of
xerophthalmia. This corresponds to a prevalence of roughly 1 million
in view of the high mortality among affected children. (Thylefors, et
al.', source Lighthouse International link
http://www.lighthouse.org/medical/causes-of-blindness/


Vinnie, you are right on the money. Home run! Grand slam!

Unlike claimed by Not-A-Doctor Betty Martini, aspartame plays no part in
worldwide blindness. Your website conclusively proves it, as it lists
the causes of blindness.

Good job, and thanks for covering my six.



The web site talks about 1995, and spends most of its time referring
to the US. I was talking about world-wide.

http://www.who.int/blindness/causes/...en/index4.html

" In high-income countries, lesions of the optic nerve and higher
visual pathways predominate as the cause of blindness, while corneal
scarring from measles, vitamin A deficiency, the use of harmful
traditional eye remedies, ophthalmia neonatorum, and rubella cataract
are the major causes in low-income countries".

Note that two of the list can be prevented by MMR vaccine.

Measles depletes Vitamin A and reduced Vitamin A makes measles worse.
Nasty cycle..

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

http://www.searo.who.int/LinkFiles/G...sles100105.pdf

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  #24  
Old July 12th 07, 05:53 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
Jan Drew
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"Peter Bowditch" wrotr:

[but....he could not answer my question].

* How would anyone know if anyone's blindness was caused by aspartame?*
After
all the health effects are denied...


"Jan Drew" wrote:


"Mark Probert" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:45 am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative bigvince wrote:
: On Jul 5, 12:35 pm, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative JOHN wrote:

: : "By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine
directly
: : into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them
effective
: : insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything
alive to
: : prevent bacterial decomposition."

: Someone should ask Dr. Bowen how he reconciles his belief that
sugar
: and salt are acceptable dietary components with their historical
: use as food preservatives.

: As you know aspartame another chlorocarbon. . .

Try again, but this time (a) answer the point that was raised and
(b) without incorrectly referring to aspartame as a "chlorocarbon" (it
isn't; it's a methyl ester of a dipeptide)

Credulous Vince has Aspartame confused with Splenda. Don't expect him
to understand his mistake or any other aspect of chemistry.

When will all those horrific side effects of Aspartame finally
manifest?

Ten years ago, Not-A-Doctor Betty Martini claimed that aspartame would
make you blind.

Where are all those blind people?


http://www.answers.com/topic/blindness?cat=health

In November 2004 article Magnitude and causes of visual impairment, the
WHO
estimated that in 2002 there were 161 million (about 2.6% of the world
population) visually impaired people in the world, of whom 124 million
(about 2%) had low vision and 37 million (about 0.6%) were blind. [9]
====

How would anyone know if anyone's blindness was caused by aspartame?
After
all the health effects are denied...

For ONE reason, it's called M O N E Y.

BTW, what were you doing 30 years ago?

How about 15 years ago?

Hmmmm.


snip. same ole,same ole,same ole


--
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  #25  
Old July 12th 07, 05:58 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
Jan Drew
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"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
...
"Jan Drew" wrote:


"Jan Drew" wrote in message
et...

From Dr. Betty Martini, D.Hum By James Bowen, M.D.
5-8-5

James Bowen, M.D., A physician, biochemist, and survivor of aspartame
poisoning warns about yet another synthetic sweetener, Splenda.

HAWAII -- The chemical sucralose, marketed as "Splenda", has replaced
aspartame as the #1 artificial sweetener in foods and beverages. Aspartame
has been forced out by increasing public awareness that it is both a
neurotoxin and an underlying cause of chronic illness worldwide. Dr. James
Bowen, Researcher and biochemist, reports:

"Splenda/sucralose is simply chlorinated sugar; a chlorocarbon. Common
chlorocarbons include carbon tetrachloride, trichlorethelene and methylene
chloride, all deadly. Chlorine is nature's Doberman attack dog, a highly
excitable, ferocious atomic element employed as a biocide in bleach,
disinfectants, insecticide, WWI poison gas and hydrochloric acid.

"Sucralose is a molecule of sugar chemically manipulated to surrender three
hydroxyl groups (hydrogen + oxygen) and replace them with three chlorine
atoms. Natural sugar is a hydrocarbon built around 12 carbon atoms. When
turned into Splenda it becomes a chlorocarbon, in the family of Chlorodane,
Lindane and DDT,

"It is logical to ask why table salt, which also contains chlorine, is safe
while Splenda/sucralose is toxic? Because salt isn't a chlorocarbon. When
molecular chemistry binds sodium to chlorine to make salt carbon isn't
included. Sucralose and salt are as different as oil and water.

"Unlike sodium chloride, chlorocarbons are never nutritionally compatible
with our metabolic processes and are wholly incompatible with normal human
metabolic functioning. When chlorine is chemically reacted into
carbon-structured organic compounds to make chlorocarbons, the carbon and
chlorine atoms bind to each other by mutually sharing electrons in their
outer shells. This arrangement adversely affects human metabolism because
our mitochondrial and cellular enzyme systems are designed to completely
utilize organic molecules containing carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and
other compatible nutritional elements.

"By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine directly
into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them effective
insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything alive to
prevent bacterial decomposition."

Dr. Bowen believes ingested chlorocarbon damage continues with the formation
of other toxins: "Any chlorocarbons not directly excreted from the body
intact can cause immense damage to the processes of human metabolism and,
eventually, our internal organs. The liver is a detoxification organ which
deals with ingested poisons. Chlorocarbons damage the hepatocytes, the
liver's metabolic cells, and destroy them. In test animals Splenda produced
swollen livers, as do all chlorocarbon poisons, and also calcified the
kidneys of test animals in toxicity studies. The brain and nervous system
are highly subject to metabolic toxicities and solvency damages by these
chemicals. Their high solvency attacks the human nervous system and many
other body systems including genetics and the immune function. Thus,
chlorocarbon poisoning can cause cancer, birth defects, and immune system
destruction. These are well known effects of Dioxin and PCBs which are known
deadly chlorocarbons."

Dr. Bowen continues: "Just like aspartame, which achieved marketplace
approval by the Food and Drug Administration when animal studies clearly
demonstrated its toxicity, sucralose also failed in clinical trials with
animals. Aspartame created brain tumors in rats. Sucralose has been found to
shrink thymus glands (the biological seat of immunity) and produce liver
inflammation in rats and mice.

"In the coming months we can expect to see a river of media hype expounding
the virtues of Splenda/sucralose. We should not be fooled again into
accepting the safety of a toxic chemical on the blessing of the FDA and
saturation advertising. In terms of potential long-term human toxicity we
should regard sucralose with its chemical cousin DDT, the insecticide now
outlawed because of its horrendous long term toxicities at even minute trace
levels in human, avian, and mammalian tissues.

"Synthetic chemical sweeteners are generally unsafe for human consumption.
This toxin was given the chemical name "sucralose" which is a play on the
technical name of natural sugar, sucrose. One is not the other. One is food,
the other is toxic; don't be deceived."

Dr. Bowen also calls attention to another seldom recognized and deadly
permanent effect of these chemicals: "Aspartame, sold as NutraSweet, Equal,
E951, Canderel, Benevia and under other names, is a hypersensitization agent
which causes Polychemical Sensitivity syndrome. Chlorocarbons strongly
induce uncurable hypersensitivity diseases which are now becoming rampant."
(James Bowen, M.D.)

Doctor Bowen has spent 20 years researching artificial sweeteners after his
use of aspartame resulted in being diagnosed with Lou Gehrig's disease. Dr
Bowen's intention is to warn the world of the toxicity of tabletop poisons
like aspartame, Splenda and Neotame.

For more information on aspartame and Splenda click on the Aspartame
Information List on
http://www.wnho.net. Dr. Bowen can be seen in the movie
"Sweet Misery: A Poisoned World" For the movie call 1 818 349 8822 or email
See how aspartame was approved by clicking
on
http://www.soundandfury.tv/pages/Rumsfeld2.html

Aspartame and Splenda Toxicity Centers, http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame
Aspartame and brain tumors cases for litigation contact Dr. Betty Martini at
or 770 242-2599. Currently taking states New York,
New Jersey, Madison County, Illinois and Mississippi

A medical text, Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic by H. J. Roberts,
M.D. presents, 1038 pages of aspartame horrors.
http://www.sunsentpress.com
or 1 800 827 7991

Russell Blaylock, M.D., has published Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills on
the subject, http://www.russellblaylockmd.com

Dr. Betty Martini says "the controversy rages over Splenda (sucralose). Is
it safe and natural like sugar or is it a chlorinated hydrocarbon? As
lawsuits fly, consider the chemistry of this artificial compound."

She adds: "The FDA denied approval of aspartame for 16 years, then caved in
to political/economic pressure when Don Rumsfeld, CEO of the manufacturer,
was brought to Washington by Ronald Reagan. A new FDA Commissioner was
appointed to approve it then became a consultant for NutraSweet's public
relations firm for $1,000/day on a 10 year contract. Forthcoming has been a
global epidemic of disability and death. One might expect FDA to be more
cautious next time, yet FDA approved the toxic chlorocarbon Splenda without
hesitation and without any long term testing on human subjects."


-----
Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."




"Richard Schultz" wrote in message
...
In misc.health.alternative bigvince wrote:
: On Jul 5, 12:35 pm, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative JOHN wrote:

: : "By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine
directly
: : into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them
effective
: : insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything
alive to
: : prevent bacterial decomposition."

: Someone should ask Dr. Bowen how he reconciles his belief that sugar
: and salt are acceptable dietary components with their historical
: use as food preservatives.

: As you know aspartame another chlorocarbon. . .

Try again, but this time (a) answer the point that was raised and
(b) without incorrectly referring to aspartame as a "chlorocarbon" (it
isn't; it's a methyl ester of a dipeptide)


A bit of a control problem?

Posters can answer without instructions.

http://www.quantumbalancing.com/news/splenda.htm

The Lethal Science Of Splenda - A Poisonous Chlorocarbon


See that, Jan? It's Splenda which is a chlorocarbon, not aspartame.
Now apologise to Richard.

snip BettyBull****(tm)
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Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
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  #26  
Old July 12th 07, 08:18 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
Peter Bowditch
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"Jan Drew" wrote:


"Peter Bowditch" wrotr:

[but....he could not answer my question].

* How would anyone know if anyone's blindness was caused by aspartame?*
After
all the health effects are denied...


What in God's name are you talking about? I have given you a list of
the major causes of blindness, and aspartame is not one of them. Just
think for a moment - there are literally millions of doses of
aspartame consumed in the US alone every day. Where are the blind
people?



"Jan Drew" wrote:


"Mark Probert" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:45 am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative bigvince wrote:
: On Jul 5, 12:35 pm, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative JOHN wrote:

: : "By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine
directly
: : into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them
effective
: : insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything
alive to
: : prevent bacterial decomposition."

: Someone should ask Dr. Bowen how he reconciles his belief that
sugar
: and salt are acceptable dietary components with their historical
: use as food preservatives.

: As you know aspartame another chlorocarbon. . .

Try again, but this time (a) answer the point that was raised and
(b) without incorrectly referring to aspartame as a "chlorocarbon" (it
isn't; it's a methyl ester of a dipeptide)

Credulous Vince has Aspartame confused with Splenda. Don't expect him
to understand his mistake or any other aspect of chemistry.

When will all those horrific side effects of Aspartame finally
manifest?

Ten years ago, Not-A-Doctor Betty Martini claimed that aspartame would
make you blind.

Where are all those blind people?

http://www.answers.com/topic/blindness?cat=health

In November 2004 article Magnitude and causes of visual impairment, the
WHO
estimated that in 2002 there were 161 million (about 2.6% of the world
population) visually impaired people in the world, of whom 124 million
(about 2%) had low vision and 37 million (about 0.6%) were blind. [9]
====

How would anyone know if anyone's blindness was caused by aspartame?
After
all the health effects are denied...

For ONE reason, it's called M O N E Y.

BTW, what were you doing 30 years ago?

How about 15 years ago?

Hmmmm.


snip. same ole,same ole,same ole


--
Peter Bowditch

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
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Old July 12th 07, 08:23 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
Peter Bowditch
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"Jan Drew" wrote:


"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
.. .
"Jan Drew" wrote:


"Jan Drew" wrote in message
. net...

From Dr. Betty Martini, D.Hum By James Bowen, M.D.
5-8-5


"Doctor" Martini!!! Splooorrrfff!!!

Please try to find a credible source when you are quoting fairy tales.
Jan.

resnip BettyBull****(tm)
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http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
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Old July 12th 07, 11:09 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
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In misc.health.alternative Jan Drew wrote:

As usual, Ms. Drew reposts factually incorrect material. . .

: "Sucralose is a molecule of sugar chemically manipulated to surrender three
: hydroxyl groups (hydrogen + oxygen) and replace them with three chlorine
: atoms. Natural sugar is a hydrocarbon built around 12 carbon atoms.

There is no such thing as "natural sugar"; "sugar" refers to a family of
many different compounds, which can contain any number of carbon atoms (well,
usually one thinks of the family starting with three-carbon fragments,
although Fischer's classic synthesis started with ethylene glycol, which
contains only two). For example, sucrose, common table sugar, contains
12 carbon atoms, while fructose and glucose, sugars found in sweeteners
such as honey and corn syrup, contain six. (Interesting digression: I
have read of "natural foods" advocates objecting to the use of corn syrup
because it's mostly the simple sugar fructose, the ingestion of which is
supposed to be bad for the body, but I have never seen one object to the
use of honey, which comprises mostly fructose and glucose.)

In addition, "natural" sugar is not a hydrocarbon -- it contains oxygen
and therefore cannot be a hydrocarbon by definition. Gasoline is an example
of a hydrocarbon mixture. Sugars are "carbohydrates" in which the hydrogen
to oxygen ratio is 2:1 just as it is in water: if you pour concentrated
sulfuric acid on sugar, it will liberate the hydrogen and oxygen as water
and leave behind a lump of carbon.

Note also the inflammatory language "chemically manipulated." Sugar itself
is "chemically manipulated" -- plants convert carbon dioxide and water
into simple sugars (releasing the excess oxygen along the way), and from
simple sugars into complex sugars and starches. When a person digests
sugar, his body is chemically manipulating it through a series of well-known
transformations.

: When turned into Splenda it becomes a chlorocarbon, in the family of
: Chlorodane, Lindane and DDT,

It is *not* in the family of chlordane (note the spelling), Lindane, and
DDT. All of those are chlorocarbons -- they contain carbon, chlorine,
and hydrogen; sucralose also contains oxygen. A very big difference
between chlorinated pesticides and sucralose is that the former are
fat-soluble and hence accumulate in the body, while sucralose is not.

: "It is logical to ask why table salt, which also contains chlorine, is safe
: while Splenda/sucralose is toxic? Because salt isn't a chlorocarbon. When
: molecular chemistry binds sodium to chlorine to make salt carbon isn't
: included. Sucralose and salt are as different as oil and water.

The difference has nothing to do with the lack of carbon in salt; in salt,
chlorine is present as the chloride ion, while in chlorine-containing
organic compounds, it is present as neutral chlorine.

: "Unlike sodium chloride, chlorocarbons are never nutritionally compatible
: with our metabolic processes and are wholly incompatible with normal human
: metabolic functioning.

If sodium chloride is "nutritionally compatible with our metabolic processes,"
why can't we drink seawater?

: "By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine directly
: into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them effective
: insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything alive to
: prevent bacterial decomposition."

I've already asked this, and gotten no response: how do you reconcile the
claims that preservatives "must kill anything alive" while natural salt
and sugar are compatible with metabolic processes with the historical use of
salt and sugar as food preservatives?

: Dr. Bowen believes ingested chlorocarbon damage continues with the formation
: of other toxins: "Any chlorocarbons not directly excreted from the body
: intact can cause immense damage to the processes of human metabolism and,
: eventually, our internal organs.

What evidence do you have that sucralose is *not* directly excreted from
the body?

: Dr. Bowen continues: "Just like aspartame, which achieved marketplace
: approval by the Food and Drug Administration when animal studies clearly
: demonstrated its toxicity, sucralose also failed in clinical trials with
: animals. Aspartame created brain tumors in rats. Sucralose has been found to
: shrink thymus glands (the biological seat of immunity) and produce liver
: inflammation in rats and mice.

This is the same argument that was used against saccharin, which certainly
does cause cancer in laboratory animals. The issue is one of public policy
involving two different questions: (1) Must we assume that if a chemical
shows toxicity at high doses, it must necessarily show toxicity at *any*
dose (i.e. we must assume that there is no threshold for toxicity)?
(2) What is the acceptable level of risk for any new technology?

In general, people have historically shown a willingness to tolerate a
certain level of risk if the perceived benefits outweigh the perceived
risks. Sometimes, this willingness is a bad thing (e.g. the large number
of supposedly "healthful" products containing radium that were sold in
the 1920's); sometimes it is not so obviously a bad thing (e.g. there is no
question that if cars were banned and everyone were required to walk, there
would be a lot fewer traffic fatalities, and a healthier populace; but no
one seems to be willing to give up cars, even though doing so would save tens
of thousands of lives per year in the U.S. alone, not to mention the long-term
health and environmental benefits).

These issues are not simple ones, and it could very well be that the risks
of sucralose use will be found to outweigh the benefits. But for there
to be any reasoned debate on the issue, people need to be informed of the
truth -- not of distortions and half-truths. That goes, of course, for
both the people who believe that sucralose is not dangerous as well as
for the people such as whoever penned the screed to which I am replying
who believe that it is.

-----
Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
They do not think whom they souse with spray.
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Old July 12th 07, 01:07 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
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Peter Bowditch wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:

bigvince wrote:
On Jul 9, 5:37 am, Peter Bowditch wrote:
"" wrote:

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:45 am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative bigvince wrote:
: On Jul 5, 12:35 pm, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative JOHN wrote:
: : "By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine
directly
: : into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them
effective
: : insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything
alive to
: : prevent bacterial decomposition."
: Someone should ask Dr. Bowen how he reconciles his belief that sugar
: and salt are acceptable dietary components with their historical
: use as food preservatives.
: As you know aspartame another chlorocarbon. . .
Try again, but this time (a) answer the point that was raised and
(b) without incorrectly referring to aspartame as a "chlorocarbon" (it
isn't; it's a methyl ester of a dipeptide)
Credulous Vince has Aspartame confused with Splenda. Don't expect him
to understand his mistake or any other aspect of chemistry.
When will all those horrific side effects of Aspartame finally
manifest?
Ten years ago, Not-A-Doctor Betty Martini claimed that aspartame would
make you blind.
Where are all those blind people?
http://www.answers.com/topic/blindness?cat=health
In November 2004 article Magnitude and causes of visual impairment, the WHO
estimated that in 2002 there were 161 million (about 2.6% of the world
population) visually impaired people in the world, of whom 124 million
(about 2%) had low vision and 37 million (about 0.6%) were blind. [9]
====
How would anyone know if anyone's blindness was caused by aspartame? After
all the health effects are denied...
For ONE reason, it's called M O N E Y.
BTW, what were you doing 30 years ago?
How about 15 years ago?
Hmmmm.
, the leading cause of blindness in children around the world is
measles. Please remember that the next time you feel the need to
support some anti-vaccination liar.
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Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles

Leading cause of childhood blindness
"Causes of Blindness
Causes of Childhood Blindness: Worldwide

Vitamin A Deficiency (Xerophthalmia)

A recent analysis of data indicates that vitamin A deficiency is the
leading cause of childhood blindness. It was estimated that 70% of the
500,000 children who become blind annually do so because of
xerophthalmia. This corresponds to a prevalence of roughly 1 million
in view of the high mortality among affected children. (Thylefors, et
al.', source Lighthouse International link
http://www.lighthouse.org/medical/causes-of-blindness/

Vinnie, you are right on the money. Home run! Grand slam!

Unlike claimed by Not-A-Doctor Betty Martini, aspartame plays no part in
worldwide blindness. Your website conclusively proves it, as it lists
the causes of blindness.

Good job, and thanks for covering my six.



The web site talks about 1995, and spends most of its time referring
to the US. I was talking about world-wide.

http://www.who.int/blindness/causes/...en/index4.html

" In high-income countries, lesions of the optic nerve and higher
visual pathways predominate as the cause of blindness, while corneal
scarring from measles, vitamin A deficiency, the use of harmful
traditional eye remedies, ophthalmia neonatorum, and rubella cataract
are the major causes in low-income countries".

Note that two of the list can be prevented by MMR vaccine.

Measles depletes Vitamin A and reduced Vitamin A makes measles worse.
Nasty cycle..

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

http://www.searo.who.int/LinkFiles/G...sles100105.pdf


Between your references and those posted by Vince, it is now well
documented that Not-A-Doctor Betty the Boob Martini was blowing smoke.
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Old July 12th 07, 01:10 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids,misc.kids.health,misc.kids.pregnancy
Mark Probert
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Peter Bowditch wrote:
"" wrote:

"Peter Bowditch" wrotr:

[but....he could not answer my question].

* How would anyone know if anyone's blindness was caused by aspartame?*
After
all the health effects are denied...


What in God's name are you talking about? I have given you a list of
the major causes of blindness, and aspartame is not one of them. Just
think for a moment - there are literally millions of doses of
aspartame consumed in the US alone every day. Where are the blind
people?


Precisely. The causes of blindness ARE~KNOWN, and aspartame is not one
of them. If any of the websites listed "unknown cause" then there *may*
be an argument that aspartame caused some of that blindness. Since there
are no unknowns, no aspartame.



"Jan Drew" wrote:

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:45 am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative bigvince wrote:
: On Jul 5, 12:35 pm, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative JOHN wrote:

: : "By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine
directly
: : into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them
effective
: : insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything
alive to
: : prevent bacterial decomposition."

: Someone should ask Dr. Bowen how he reconciles his belief that
sugar
: and salt are acceptable dietary components with their historical
: use as food preservatives.

: As you know aspartame another chlorocarbon. . .

Try again, but this time (a) answer the point that was raised and
(b) without incorrectly referring to aspartame as a "chlorocarbon" (it
isn't; it's a methyl ester of a dipeptide)
Credulous Vince has Aspartame confused with Splenda. Don't expect him
to understand his mistake or any other aspect of chemistry.

When will all those horrific side effects of Aspartame finally
manifest?
Ten years ago, Not-A-Doctor Betty Martini claimed that aspartame would
make you blind.

Where are all those blind people?
http://www.answers.com/topic/blindness?cat=health

In November 2004 article Magnitude and causes of visual impairment, the
WHO
estimated that in 2002 there were 161 million (about 2.6% of the world
population) visually impaired people in the world, of whom 124 million
(about 2%) had low vision and 37 million (about 0.6%) were blind. [9]
====

How would anyone know if anyone's blindness was caused by aspartame?
After
all the health effects are denied...

For ONE reason, it's called M O N E Y.

BTW, what were you doing 30 years ago?

How about 15 years ago?

Hmmmm.

snip. same ole,same ole,same ole


--
Peter Bowditch

 




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