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Ray attempts Biblical justification: was U.N. rules Canada should ban spanking
Regarding the "Lot's Daughters" scam played
by a caseworker, after acting very incredulous and doubting: Dan wrote Don't bother. It's part of a case I worked on. Golly! Isn't that special! So, Dan, was it one of the cases you worked on before Kane began helping you with every single case you work on? I ask because Kane says he never heard of this little gem. How could that be? And you keep saying that you are out to help parents versus CPS.. Please make this little gem public, so that parents all over the United States and even around the world can KNOW the truth about Child Protective Services caseworkers using this "Lot's Daughters" caseworker scam. You say you're out to help parents, so don't hold back! |
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Ray attempts Biblical justification: was U.N. rules Canada should ban spanking
"Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... Regarding the "Lot's Daughters" scam played by a caseworker, after acting very incredulous and doubting: I'd like to buy a sentence, Pat. Dan wrote Don't bother. It's part of a case I worked on. Golly! Isn't that special! Yup. The parents got their children back. Don't you consider that special? So, Dan, was it one of the cases you worked on before Kane began helping you with every single case you work on? No. I ask because Kane says he never heard of this little gem. Kane didn't say that. As a matter of fact Kane was far more familiar with Lot's story than you. He wrote, "His name, assuming others reading this have read of him, is Lot. I suppose the spelling doesn't matter as I believe the first rendering of this story outside of Judeaism is in the Greek. I don't know who to render his name in Greek in this forum. Your knowledge on this issue YOU brought up shows exactly how much you usually know about anything you discuss....very damn little. The truly dispicable thing Lot did, from the viewpoint of some, is, that when the crowd in Sodom beat upon his door seeking women to ravage he considered, and may have, offered up his daughters. They did however escape with Lot from the city before it's destruction. They found themselves living in a cave for some time and believing the entire world was destroyed except for themselves felt they were the salvation of humankind and they got their father drunk and lay with him thinking they would become pregnant and thereby repeople the earth. How could that be? You regularly make claims without substantiation. And you keep saying that you are out to help parents versus CPS.. Help parents PREVAIL over CPS. Here's part of an email I received last night, ------------------- WE WON CASE DISMISSED: Accordingly, the petitions to the extent that they seek a finding of abuse are dismissed for lack of proof by the required preponderance of the evidence. The petition seeking a finding of severe abuse is likewise dismissed for lack of proof by clear and convincing evidence As to the remaining neglect based on the totality of the evidence and for the reasons set fort above the court dismisses the neglect petitions Furthermore it does not appear that the aid of the court is needed to further protect the health and well-being of respondents children. Accordingly the court dismisses all pending petitions directs that (our daughter) be returned to respondents care and terminates (her) placement in foster care and terminates supervision of respondents by dss In accordance with family court act 1112 (the child) shall be returned to her parents on or before 5pm Friday November 14 2003 ------------------- Don't ya just love it! Please make this little gem public, so that parents all over the United States and even around the world can KNOW the truth about Child Protective Services caseworkers using this "Lot's Daughters" caseworker scam. YOU can make the "little gem" public. You say you're out to help parents, so don't hold back! You've got more time on your hands than I do. You said, " I might be able to come up with it next week." So keep lookin. Post it when you find it. Dan |
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Ray attempts Biblical justification: was U.N. rules Canada should ban spanking
So why don't you tell parents more about this
idiotic line of reasoning from a caseworker? Here's your chance to prove to parents and people who don't know already, just how stupid child protection caseworkers really can be. PS- Please explain how a judge went along with a removal order based on something so stupid. This is Greg Hanson reporting live from Iowa. Over to you, Dan. |
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Ray attempts Biblical justification: was U.N. rules Canada should ban spanking
"Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... So why don't you tell parents more about this idiotic line of reasoning from a caseworker? I'd rather deal with what's actually going on in their case. The current idiocy. And how to stick it up CPS' nose in front of the Fam Ct Judge. Here's your chance to prove to parents and people who don't know already, just how stupid child protection caseworkers really can be. I've been proving how stupid the people at CPS are for YEARS, Greg. PS- Please explain how a judge went along with a removal order based on something so stupid. I don't think the Judge based the removal order on the CW's comparison of the family to story of Lot. I believe the comparison had something to do with a psych eval. This is Greg Hanson reporting live from Iowa. Over to you, Dan. |
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Ray attempts Biblical justification: was U.N. rules Canada should ban spanking
"Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... Regarding the "Lot's Daughters" scam played by a caseworker, after acting very incredulous and doubting: Dan wrote Don't bother. It's part of a case I worked on. Golly! Isn't that special! So, Dan, was it one of the cases you worked on before Kane began helping you with every single case you work on? I ask because Kane says he never heard of this little gem. How could that be? And you keep saying that you are out to help parents versus CPS.. Please make this little gem public, so that parents all over the United States and even around the world can KNOW the truth about Child Protective Services caseworkers using this "Lot's Daughters" caseworker scam. You say you're out to help parents, so don't hold back! What if parents don't want or need his help? |
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Ray attempts Biblical justification: was U.N. rules Canada should ban spanking
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message t... "Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... Regarding the "Lot's Daughters" scam played by a caseworker, after acting very incredulous and doubting: I'd like to buy a sentence, Pat. Dan wrote Don't bother. It's part of a case I worked on. Golly! Isn't that special! Yup. The parents got their children back. Don't you consider that special? No, it only shows that the system isn't as great as many would try to portray. In California, unless outright abuse can be proven in a court of law, children must be returned to the home within six months. I claim no first hand knowledge of this except from statements from a foster parent who took in many abused children and said this was the hardest part, watching the truly abused being returned to the same environment after only six months. So, Dan, was it one of the cases you worked on before Kane began helping you with every single case you work on? No. I ask because Kane says he never heard of this little gem. Kane didn't say that. As a matter of fact Kane was far more familiar with Lot's story than you. He wrote, "His name, assuming others reading this have read of him, is Lot. I suppose the spelling doesn't matter as I believe the first rendering of this story outside of Judeaism is in the Greek. I don't know who to render his name in Greek in this forum. Your knowledge on this issue YOU brought up shows exactly how much you usually know about anything you discuss....very damn little. The truly dispicable thing Lot did, from the viewpoint of some, is, that when the crowd in Sodom beat upon his door seeking women to ravage he considered, and may have, offered up his daughters. They did however escape with Lot from the city before it's destruction. They found themselves living in a cave for some time and believing the entire world was destroyed except for themselves felt they were the salvation of humankind and they got their father drunk and lay with him thinking they would become pregnant and thereby repeople the earth. How could that be? You regularly make claims without substantiation. And you keep saying that you are out to help parents versus CPS.. Help parents PREVAIL over CPS. Here's part of an email I received last night, ------------------- WE WON CASE DISMISSED: Accordingly, the petitions to the extent that they seek a finding of abuse are dismissed for lack of proof by the required preponderance of the evidence. The petition seeking a finding of severe abuse is likewise dismissed for lack of proof by clear and convincing evidence As to the remaining neglect based on the totality of the evidence and for the reasons set fort above the court dismisses the neglect petitions Furthermore it does not appear that the aid of the court is needed to further protect the health and well-being of respondents children. Accordingly the court dismisses all pending petitions directs that (our daughter) be returned to respondents care and terminates (her) placement in foster care and terminates supervision of respondents by dss In accordance with family court act 1112 (the child) shall be returned to her parents on or before 5pm Friday November 14 2003 ------------------- Don't ya just love it! Please make this little gem public, so that parents all over the United States and even around the world can KNOW the truth about Child Protective Services caseworkers using this "Lot's Daughters" caseworker scam. YOU can make the "little gem" public. You say you're out to help parents, so don't hold back! You've got more time on your hands than I do. You said, " I might be able to come up with it next week." So keep lookin. Post it when you find it. Dan |
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Ray attempts Biblical justification: was U.N. rules Canada should ban spanking
Dennis H wrote
What if parents don't want or need his help? If a parent is willing to just play guilty, no reason. If however a parent or advocate wishes to fight the insanity of CPS workers, something like the "Lot's Daughters" gambit is very illustrative of caseworker lies, deviousness and fairy tales. In fact this story was circulated among people in the closed groups and of the many people there never did any one of them say that they did not want to see it. If anything, it became another example to galvanize people against LIES CPS USES. To think that a caseworker would DARE to write up such an insane accusation and use it on a family informs anti-CPS people of how corrupt CPS really is. If a parent ignores cases and situations that don't apply to them at the time, they may discover that later on the same tactic might actually be tried on their family. Just because CPS has not falsely accused my family of Munchhausens by proxy, does not mean that I should stay ignorant of the agency abuses and how they MISUSE and ABUSE that angle to hurt families. Much like the standard CPS Modus Operandi about Spiral fractures (always Child abuse? Lie.) the CPS Modus Operandi for supposed Munchhausens repeats over and over. It's money on the CPS table. Perhaps Dennis, you are not aware that Dan has been an enigma when it comes to correcting CPS. He claims to be for parents, but it seems more like in a Benedict Arnold way. That's why I was asking him to REVEAL what he knows. He is in a bind if he wants to continue to support Child Protection Services while pretending to support parents against them. |
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