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The Canadian Argument ...
On 5 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:
Doan wrote: Come on! No one here believe Kane??? ;-) Why haven't they replied and said they don't believe me? Because I asked them for an affirmative answer, STUPID! Now, who here believes Kane, SPEAK UP? Doan |
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The Canadian Argument ...
Doan wrote: On 5 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: Come on! No one here believe Kane??? ;-) Why haven't they replied and said they don't believe me? Because I asked them for an affirmative answer, STUPID! Now, who here believes Kane, SPEAK UP? Doan Now, who here believes Doan, SPEAK UP? Think that will make them speak up? Let's see, little liar. Calling for Alina, calling for Alina. R R R R R R R R RR Do you really think no one can see that you can't handle the material offered? Just how stupid to you presume people to be, Doan? 0:- |
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The Canadian Argument ...
On 5 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:
Doan wrote: Come on! No one here believe Kane??? ;-) Why haven't they replied and said they don't believe me? Because that wasn't the question asked, STUPID! Doan Why would they not believe me for an article I posted? Because you are a proven liar! What's not to believe? Your lies! You slipped another cog, I think. Trolling again I see. And not creative enough to handle more than one newsgroup for years, except of course when you put on the Alina sock and tried to develop a posting credibility string. Hahaha! Is this the Alina that you claimed to have sent a copy of the Embry study to? Why don't you post the proof that she was me again so that everyone can have another laugh at your STUPIDITY? That was funny. Broke me up when I saw you post to a group about nursing. Your STUPIDITY is amazing! One post, in the middle of a discussion, and then no others? Yer a liar, Doan and a troll. Nothing more. Come on! No one here believe Doan??? 0:- R RRRR R R R R R Actually, you have been emasculated and no one here believe you! ;-) Doan http://tomorrowstrust.ca/?p=176 Tuesday, 2 Jan 2007 Sorry kid, but this spanking is good for you! by John Borst There has been a flurry of articles on the issue of the spanking of children during the fall of 2006. (See here, here and here) The first is about a study on the topic by a Senate committee, the second is about a report by the United Nations, and the third is about a man being charged with assault for spanking the child of his common-law wife. Then on December 30, 2006, the National Post editorial page had a subscribers only article titled "Spanking kids is not a form of cruelty" in response to the U.N.'s report. Its author, Tal Bachman is described as a singer-songwriter, however, he self identifies himself in the article as a "father of eight" who believes that "issues of corporal punishment" of children are far less important than "Canada's unconscionably lax punishment of child molesters, our virtually non-existent abortion laws or our shockingly low age of sexual consent." Somehow he goes on to work in the issue of how "hundreds of perfectly viable fetuses are scalded to death each week" and how in B.C. "thousands of young girls are left vulnerable to predatory polygamists males" but what these admittedly important issues have to do with spanking is not explained. Bachman not only reveals his "social conservativism" but his religious beliefs as well. That the religious right should belittle secular society's attempts to lessen or eliminate "corporal punishment" of children seems contradictory to a fully formed "life" ethic. The Church teaches that a person exists "from the moment of conception" to "natural death" and must be accorded the rights, dignity and respect that all persons of any age are accorded within that time frame. One such right and sign of dignity and respect is the right, reinforced by Canada's own human rights laws, to be safe in their person and free from harm. If I were to slap a child, in Bachman's code, "the odd time when a quiet chat fails and a strong warning - via spanking - may be the best and safest option" as I certainly felt like doing one time in a Tim Horton's when a young child brazenly abused her mother and the mother appeared totally bewildered and reacted in all the wrong ways. The child needed discipline but even had the parent turned the child over her lap in public and spanked her, she would have risked a charge of assault and the loss of her off-spring to a Children's Aid Society. And if that is the case, why is it okay to "spank" a child behind the closed door of one's home and not in the public confines of a restaurant? Certainly, striking another adult in the confines of one's home or place of work is just as much a criminal offence as it is in public, (both were once legal) but when doing the same to a child is acceptable, it smacks of a double standard. Whether a man slaps his wife or child the same issues of power, authority, domination and possession are at play. Yet as a society we tolerate striking a defenseless child of any age and not the adult. Schools and the abolition of "corporal punishment" are an example to society that it is possible to completely eliminate "spanking", in any form, from our grab bag of disciplinary measures. Our schools have not fallen apart nor become unruly because of it. Although Canada's Supreme Court did not ban corporal punishment in 2004, from the lexicon of disciplinary techniques available to a parent, it did draw a line between a brief "swat" in a dangerous situation and the concept of cruelty/abuse. A teacher can still step in and forcefully break up a fight between two students or physically restrain a child from harming another (although even then, a teacher risks a parental complaint and the ignominy of a Children's Aid investigation.) Had Bachman and the National Post editors demonstrated the limits to spanking as a disciplinary method and importance of the concept of cruelty instead of implying as its headline does, that all spanking is not cruel then it would have done a service to society and to the principle of a "life" of dignity and respect for children. Instead both the author and paper chose to perpetuate the myth that children are nothing but property, lack the full rights accorded to an adult citizen of Canada or the same dignity accorded to an adult member of the Body of Christ regardless of his particular religious affiliation. I have lived the experience of seeing a Grade 8 student strapped so hard by a school principal his wrists were twice cut and bleeding. In another example a young teen was "spanked" by his father with a rubber hose (because he punched his sister on the arm) such that he was bruised from his buttocks to the middle of his back. Or in another case two Portuguese girls were given a betting by their brother at their father's command because they chose to wear the school's gym bloomers uniform during the Catholic school's physical education class. Today such incidents would have to be reported to the authorities; at the time of each offence, no such law existed. Bachman's belittling of government "pompous know-it-alls ...demanding their personal parenting philosophies be accepted as universal law" is just the kind of attitude that the principal and parents in the above examples would have used to justify their actions in the fifties and sixties. Bachman wants us to believe it is not the "tip of a slippery slope" to countenance 'spanking". But by using such examples of justified spanking as a "last ditch effort" to prevent junior from "running blindly into the street" he is being disingenuous and is providing a lousy excuse not to look for a more "positive" form of discipline which is something society has forced teachers to do with its banning of capital punishment. It is time parents like Bachman were challenged to do the same. It is also time for all churches, especially the Catholic Church, which prides itself on its "life" ethic, to promote and campaign for the elimination of corporal punishment of children. |
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