A child's return from autism Couple eager to share their conviction that mercury poisoning was the culprit

LadyLollipop wrote:
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LadyLollipop wrote:

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David Wright wrote:


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Mark Probert wrote:



LadyLollipop wrote:


Blood work from kids SHOULD have been taken within two to four
hours, NOT days after vaccines, thimerosal crosses the blood brain
barrier and is stored in the brain.

I posted proof that this is incorrect.


It's not even known:



The evidence for the safety of thiomersal in newborn and infant
vaccines.

Clements CJ.

Centre for International Health, The Macfarlane Burnet Institute for
Medical Research and Public Health Ltd, GPO Box 2284, Commercial
Road, Melbourne, Vic. 3004, Australia. snip
It is not yet known for sure how much (if any) vaccine-derived ethyl
mercury in the blood crosses the blood-brain barrier.

Another good point that now utterly refutes the passing the blood-brain
barrier and the storage argument.

I am sure Jan does not understand this.

Anti-vac liars like her are not very bright.

While what you post is interesting, it does not refute the facts as
posted. One study shows that infants rapidly clear the ethyl mercury
(thus, there is no possibility of storage) and another study clearly
states that there is no clear evidence that thimerosal passes the
blood-brain barrier


"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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LadyLollipop wrote:

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/thimerosalqa.htm

Excellent! Jan is now using something that is fact based. I will snip for
focus, as this article addresses two claims her posts have made in recent
days:

1. That thimerosal passes the blood-brain barrier.
2. That the mercury from thimerosal is stored in the brain.






http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en*trez/...ve&d*b=pubmed&...


1: Neurotoxicology. 2005 Jan;26(1):1-8. Related Articles, Links


Thimerosal neurotoxicity is associated with glutathione depletion:
protection with glutathione precursors.


James SJ, Slikker W 3rd, Melnyk S, New E, Pogribna M, Jernigan S.


Department of Pediatrics, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences and
Arkansas Children's Hospital Research Institute, Little Rock, AR 72202,
USA.



Thimerosol is an antiseptic containing 49.5% ethyl mercury that has been
used for years as a preservative in many infant vaccines and in flu
vaccines. Environmental methyl mercury has been shown to be highly
neurotoxic, especially to the developing brain. Because mercury has a
high
affinity for thiol (sulfhydryl (-SH)) groups, the thiol-containing
antioxidant, glutathione (GSH), provides the major intracellular defense
against mercury-induced neurotoxicity. Cultured neuroblastoma cells were
found to have lower levels of GSH and increased sensitivity to thimerosol
toxicity compared to glioblastoma cells that have higher basal levels of
intracellular GSH. Thimerosal-induced cytotoxicity was associated with
depletion of intracellular GSH in both cell lines. Pretreatment with 100
microM glutathione ethyl ester or N-acetylcysteine (NAC), but not
methionine, resulted in a significant increase in intracellular GSH in
both
cell types. Further, pretreatment of the cells with glutathione ethyl
ester
or NAC prevented cytotoxicity with exposure to 15 microM Thimerosal.
Although Thimerosal has been recently removed from most children's
vaccines,
it is still present in flu vaccines given to pregnant women, the elderly,
and to children in developing countries. The potential protective effect
of
GSH or NAC against mercury toxicity warrants further research as possible
adjunct therapy to individuals still receiving Thimerosal-containing
vaccinations.


PMID: 15527868 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en*trez/...ve&d*b=pubmed&...


Mol Psychiatry. 2004 Sep;9(9):833-45. Related Articles, Links


Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse strain dependent.


Hornig M, Chian D, Lipkin WI.


Jerome L and Dawn Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory, Department of
Epidemiology, Mailman School of Public Health, Columbia University, New
York, NY 10032, USA.


The developing brain is uniquely susceptible to the neurotoxic hazard
posed
by mercurials. Host differences in maturation, metabolism, nutrition,
sex,
and autoimmunity influence outcomes. How population-based variability
affects the safety of the ethylmercury-containing vaccine preservative,
thimerosal, is unknown. Reported increases in the prevalence of autism, a
highly heritable neuropsychiatric condition, are intensifying public
focus
on environmental exposures such as thimerosal. Immune profiles and family
history in autism are frequently consistent with autoimmunity. We
hypothesized that autoimmune propensity influences outcomes in mice
following thimerosal challenges that mimic routine childhood
immunizations.
Autoimmune disease-sensitive SJL/J mice showed growth delay; reduced
locomotion; exaggerated response to novelty; and densely packed,
hyperchromic hippocampal neurons with altered glutamate receptors and
transporters. Strains resistant to autoimmunity, C57BL/6J and BALB/cJ,
were
not susceptible. These findings implicate genetic influences and provide
a
model for investigating thimerosal-related neurotoxicity.


PMID: 15184908 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/0*5/02/08.php


http://www.thimerosal-news.com*/


Thimerosal
A press release about Mercury in Thimerosal from the National Vaccine
Information Center in July of 1999 press points out that, "The cumulative
effects of ingesting mercury can cause brain damage." During this same
month, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the Centers for
Disease
Control and Prevention (CDC) alerted the public about the possible health
effects associated with thimerosal-containing vaccines. These
health-related
organizations strongly recommended that thimerosal be removed from
vaccines
as soon as possible. Under the directive of the FDA Modernization Act of
1997, the Food and Drug Administration also determined that infants who
received several thimerosal-containing vaccines may be receiving mercury
exposure over and above the recommended federal guidelines.


http://www.anomalous-images.co*m/news/news473.html


Thursday July 8 5:49 PM ET


Mercury to be removed from vaccines


NEW YORK, Jul 08 (Reuters Health) -- The US Public Health Service (PHS)
and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) have asked vaccine
manufacturers to phase out a mercury-containing preservative that has
been
used in some vaccines since the 1940s.


The preservative, thimerosal, has not been shown to harm children, but
some infants under age 6 months may be exposed to mercury levels in
excess
of federal guidelines with the current recommended immunization schedule.
However, ``children who have received thimerosal-containing vaccines do
not
need to be tested for mercury exposure,'' according to a joint AAP/PHS
statement.


Health officials advise parents to continue their children's
immunization
programs, because the risk of not immunizing children far outweighs the
small risk posed by thimerosal.


``Terrible childhood diseases like whooping cough, bacterial
meningitis,
polio and diphtheria are waiting for us to let our guard down,''
according
to a statement issued by Dr. David Satcher, the US. Surgeon General.
``The
risk of devastating childhood diseases from failure to vaccinate far
outweighs the minimal, if any, risk of exposure to cumulative levels of
mercury in vaccines.''


The joint AAP/PHS statement on thimerosal in vaccines appears in the
July
9th Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), the weekly publication
of
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta, Georgia.
Stories from the MMWR are available at the CDC website, www.cdc.gov.


The report's authors note that European regulatory community reached
similar conclusions earlier this year.


In a statement, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of
America
(PhRMA) note that while there is currently ``no clinical evidence that
the
use of thimerosal has caused adverse health consequences, there is
general
consensus that it would be preferable to eliminate thimerosal from
vaccines
whenever possible. The vaccine industry is working closely with FDA and
other government agencies to meet this objective.''



One more time...while interesting, they do not refute the two points I made.

LadyLollipop wrote:

I really do wish that autism were just heavy metal poisoning and
the
treatment were so simple.

Jeff

You don't know that this is not true.

That's what they told Semmelweis.

The medical establishment, because of HARD HEADS like you, hasn't
learned a thing, AFTER destroying this man's life.

He lectured publicly about his results in 1850, however, the
reception by the medical community was cold, if not hostile. His
observations went against the current scientific opinion of the
time,
which blamed diseases on an imbalance of the basical "humours" in
the
body. It was also argued that even if his findings were correct,
washing one's hands each time before treating a pregnant woman, as
Semmelweis advised, would be too much work. Nor were doctors eager
to
admit that they had caused so many deaths. Semmelweis spent 14 years
developing his ideas and lobbying for their acceptance, culminating
in a book he wrote in 1861. The book received poor reviews, and he
responded with polemic. In 1865, he suffered a nervous breakdown and
was committed to an insane asylum where he soon died from blood
poisoning.

Oh, please. You antivac loons love to trot this out but it is a poor
example.

Back when Semmelweis did his work the main way that new disconeries
were announced/propagated was by presenting them at meetings. Print
was not nearly was wide spread as it is now. Semmelweis was rejected
because of the way he conducted himself at the meetings. He presented
his data as if it was the Gospel truth and above all discussion. If
anyone tried to ask a question or discuss it in any way (not even
disagree, mind you, just discuss) he would have a temper tantrum,
scream profanity at the person, and stomp off the stage.

He was dismissed as a loon because he acted like one (and later proved
to be one). HE is the reason it took a while for his ideas to spread.
He destroyed his own life (or his mental illness did depending on
POV). The theory finally caught on despite his behaviors.

It is well known in science that the credit often does not go to the
one who first has the idea. It goes to the one who is bold enough to
first proclaim it. In his case it was delayed because of the way he
exclaimed it.

--
00doc

"00doc" wrote in message
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LadyLollipop wrote:

I really do wish that autism were just heavy metal poisoning and the
treatment were so simple.

Jeff

You don't know that this is not true.

That's what they told Semmelweis.

The medical establishment, because of HARD HEADS like you, hasn't
learned a thing, AFTER destroying this man's life.

He lectured publicly about his results in 1850, however, the
reception by the medical community was cold, if not hostile. His
observations went against the current scientific opinion of the time,
which blamed diseases on an imbalance of the basical "humours" in the
body. It was also argued that even if his findings were correct,
washing one's hands each time before treating a pregnant woman, as
Semmelweis advised, would be too much work. Nor were doctors eager to
admit that they had caused so many deaths. Semmelweis spent 14 years
developing his ideas and lobbying for their acceptance, culminating
in a book he wrote in 1861. The book received poor reviews, and he
responded with polemic. In 1865, he suffered a nervous breakdown and
was committed to an insane asylum where he soon died from blood
poisoning.

Oh, please. You antivac loons love to trot this out but it is a poor
example.

Here comes another doc to trash him more, plus call names.

snip

LL/Jan

"LadyLollipop" wrote in message
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"00doc" wrote in message
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LadyLollipop wrote:

I really do wish that autism were just heavy metal poisoning and the
treatment were so simple.

Jeff

You don't know that this is not true.

That's what they told Semmelweis.

The medical establishment, because of HARD HEADS like you, hasn't
learned a thing, AFTER destroying this man's life.

He lectured publicly about his results in 1850, however, the
reception by the medical community was cold, if not hostile. His
observations went against the current scientific opinion of the time,
which blamed diseases on an imbalance of the basical "humours" in the
body. It was also argued that even if his findings were correct,
washing one's hands each time before treating a pregnant woman, as
Semmelweis advised, would be too much work. Nor were doctors eager to
admit that they had caused so many deaths. Semmelweis spent 14 years
developing his ideas and lobbying for their acceptance, culminating
in a book he wrote in 1861. The book received poor reviews, and he
responded with polemic. In 1865, he suffered a nervous breakdown and
was committed to an insane asylum where he soon died from blood
poisoning.

Oh, please. You antivac loons love to trot this out but it is a poor
example.

Here comes another doc to trash him more, plus call names.


It's not only a poor example, it's PLAGIARISM if you cut and paste without
attribution. That's STEALING and LYING, Jan.

--Rich

"LadyLollipop" wrote:
Some people, unlike you, Jeff, can go to the bathroom, without a
scientific study.

"Jeff" replied:
I don't need a scientific study to poop.

What about needing to visit a pharm drug type M.D. for a
prescription to poop? joke?

btw, I do not need to visit a pharm drug type M.D. for a strep
throat any more, since I quit drinking cow's milk.

"00doc" wrote:
Back when Semmelweis did his work the main way that new disconeries
were announced/propagated was by presenting them at meetings. Print
was not nearly was wide spread as it is now. Semmelweis was rejected
because of the way he conducted himself at the meetings. He presented
his data as if it was the Gospel truth and above all discussion. If
anyone tried to ask a question or discuss it in any way (not even
disagree, mind you, just discuss) he would have a temper tantrum,
scream profanity at the person, and stomp off the stage.

Sorta like the way that the pro-dairy / pro-cow's milk side
re-acts when the anti-dairy / anti-cow's milk side [see www.notmilk.com ]
point out that dairy (& cow's milk) may present all sorts of health problems
for humans. Like being the ROOT cause for many cases of ear infections;
strep throats; asthma / lung congestion; hayfever; sinus; etc.

Rich wrote:
It's not only a poor example, it's PLAGIARISM if you cut and paste
without attribution. That's STEALING and LYING, Jan.

At least she is efficient.

--
00doc

"LadyLollipop" wrote in message
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It may not work for all kids, but if I had an autistic child, you can bet
I
would check it out, wouldn't you?

Just like you I would probably try everything - I'm just I'm not sure how I
would decide which to try first? Not all treatments are available in all
countries.

In article .net,
George Lagergren wrote:
"00doc" wrote:
Back when Semmelweis did his work the main way that new disconeries
were announced/propagated was by presenting them at meetings. Print
was not nearly was wide spread as it is now. Semmelweis was rejected
because of the way he conducted himself at the meetings. He presented
his data as if it was the Gospel truth and above all discussion. If
anyone tried to ask a question or discuss it in any way (not even
disagree, mind you, just discuss) he would have a temper tantrum,
scream profanity at the person, and stomp off the stage.

Sorta like the way that the pro-dairy / pro-cow's milk side
re-acts when the anti-dairy / anti-cow's milk side [see www.notmilk.com ]
point out that dairy (& cow's milk) may present all sorts of health problems
for humans. Like being the ROOT cause for many cases of ear infections;
strep throats; asthma / lung congestion; hayfever; sinus; etc.

Doesn't sound anything like that. But people can get very tired
of your Johnny One-note approach to healthcare.

And you're getting worse. Any day now, when someone says they have
a sprained ankle, you'll ask if they drink milk. If someone has
migraines, you'll ask if they drink milk. If someone is allergic
to shellfish, you'll ask if they drink milk. You're as bad as Tom,
the guy who thinks iron causes all diseases.

For starters, you can cut the "milk caused my strep throats" postings
down to one per week. Everyone's heard it by now. Over and over and
over.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
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