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Well, it's finally the end.
So... long story short, after all is said and done, N is gone.
He took off once again on Friday - just, I guess, decided he either didn't feel like coming home after work or perhaps he forgot where home was. Well, now he's homeless (lol) and not coming back. Disappeared Friday. Yesterday (Sunday) he calls just before 9am. When the phone rang, I saw it was this guy that somewhat recently started working with him, and the ONLY reason I picked up was because I thought it was this guy looking for N, and I was going to tell him sorry, N doesn't live here anymore and no, I'm not able to take a message. Turns out it was actually N calling. What a joke THAT pathetic excuse of a convo was, but... Right away he said to me something along the lines of, "Um, well, I guess we need to figure things out" - and me being downright fed up with all this crap over and over and over again (I believe this is the 5th or so time he's pulled this since July 1st alone) I kind of exploded. I told him *WE* don't need to figure anything out. I told him I've figured out all I want to figure out and I figure he's not welcome back here. I don't want him back here and I don't need this garbage he pulls far too often. I don't know of anyone that just doesn't come home from work and leaves their family sitting around like a dummy wondering where they are. Wondering if they're alright, where they are, who they're with, maybe they're even bleeding to death in a ditch somewhere... So then after I had a slight explosion (there was no yelling, however) he said something like, "Yea, I guess I'm going to move out" and all I said was what a wonderful idea that was, and it was something *I* should have figured out almost 4 years ago. This disappearing and taking off for days and days (and sometimes even weeks) seems to be typical behaviour of his, and it's funny - his mother thinks there's nothing wrong with it. Then again, take a good look at her life, and his brother's and sister's as well... So yesterday morning, on the phone, the convo was fairly short and pointless. I said a few things that were on my mind and it was about 15 mins in length at the most. He then said something like, "is it alright if I call you later today? Keep in touch?" I remember saying whatever, I didn't care, but I was busy today - reminded him that after all the football yesterday, there was more football stuff today - and tomorrow and the next. He then just asked if he could call the cell and again, I said I really don't care - and I don't think I did care. Well... while I was out, I see he had tried calling the house a few hours later, around noon. Then he called my cell around 6ish, I think it might have been. I didn't answer. Knew it was him, but I don't answer blocked calls (and he knows that) Then there's a knock on the back door - guess who! Now that's another story. He ended up asking for some guy's phone number that he was working with a week or two ago that still has his tools and I looked it up on the phone. He also asked for the bank card and that ipod charger cord thing. Clearly the more important things to him. I told him I wanted his stuff out and sooner than later. He said Tuesday, I, once again, told him he knows DS has football Tuesday nights, so he's supposed to be here Wednesday. I'll have his stuff ready. Just the personal items like clothes and such. I'm NOT ripping the house apart to find each and every little item he has - I'll just get all the main stuff. He told me he has to try and find someone - his boss, he said - to help him so he has a ride (N doesn't drive or anything and I am not his moving service - ha) He also said he needs to find somewhere to store his stuff for a while as he doesn't have anywhere to go. I told him to just bring it home (to his whatever new home) and he said he doesn't have one yet, he's just staying here and there for the time being. I really don't care, though, actually. Sometime yesterday, he said something about he would like it if I went to visit him - to which I replied I have no desire to visit with him, and there is NO way I will ever bring the kids to some random drug/flop house that he stays at. There will be a blizzard in hell before that happens. And I told him that. But. He is more than welcome to come here to visit the kids or it's always a possibility to meet somewhere - a park, a restaurant, whatever - but I will not bring the kids to the drug houses/flop houses that I know he will be at often enough. He's more than welcome to come here, although NOT welcome to just show up at random and uninvited or unannounced. Also, while I was talking to a friend, she had said that if that was her, she'd not want her kids to see him right away. Let things settle and all first. She said she might have even gone so far as to make sure he was settled - actually had a place to live first - and then deal with that. For N, I really don't think he'd care. It was just last summer that he disappeared out of nowhere for almost the entire summer. Just didn't come home and disappeared. He wouldn't return my calls if I did call, wouldn't call period. So, really, I don't think this friend's suggestion is too far out to lunch, but I'm not sure. I just don't want the kids to CONSTANTLY see him turning his back on them. Maybe come one day, not call or come for a month, then come another day or two or whatever. But for this whole situation. After all I feel I have been hurt with this (and not just the last couple days but off and on the last couple years) I don't want or need anything to do with him. Nothing. I do believe that the kids do, though. And that it's not MY position to stop them from seeing him - kids seem to be smart... they'll draw their own conclusions one way or another down the line. What is the right thing to do with a situation like this? I mean as far as the kids go? He's supposed to call and stop by Wednesday - and I'm going to ask him to come in the evening once the kids are in bed, and if that doesn't work for him, I'll make it another day and time that I can get someone to watch the kids. They DON'T need this just yet. I'm not exactly sure how to go with this... Any suggestions would be welcome, and as always, I'll take what I feel I can use (even with a grain of salt! lol) and leave the rest. Mainly because although there has been a suggestion or two about it, I really don't know where I stand - other than, "Well, maybe THAT is an idea or thought" |
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Well, it's finally the end.
In article , Kat says...
What is the right thing to do with a situation like this? I mean as far as the kids go? He's supposed to call and stop by Wednesday - and I'm going to ask him to come in the evening once the kids are in bed, and if that doesn't work for him, I'll make it another day and time that I can get someone to watch the kids. They DON'T need this just yet. I'm not exactly sure how to go with this... Any suggestions would be welcome, and as always, I'll take what I feel I can use (even with a grain of salt! lol) and leave the rest. Mainly because although there has been a suggestion or two about it, I really don't know where I stand - other than, "Well, maybe THAT is an idea or thought" If this is truly the end, you don't let things hang and hang in limbo. If youre married, you file for divorce. In whatever case, you seek legal counsel, one aim of which is to have plan for visitation. First call is to legal counsel. Banty |
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Well, it's finally the end.
My only advice is to stay strong and not let him back again. As far as the
kids are concerned, does N want to see his kids? If he does, then supervised visits at your house or other public place would be okay I guess. -- Sue (mom to three girls) "Kat" wrote in message ... So... long story short, after all is said and done, N is gone. He took off once again on Friday - just, I guess, decided he either didn't feel like coming home after work or perhaps he forgot where home was. Well, now he's homeless (lol) and not coming back. Disappeared Friday. Yesterday (Sunday) he calls just before 9am. When the phone rang, I saw it was this guy that somewhat recently started working with him, and the ONLY reason I picked up was because I thought it was this guy looking for N, and I was going to tell him sorry, N doesn't live here anymore and no, I'm not able to take a message. Turns out it was actually N calling. What a joke THAT pathetic excuse of a convo was, but... Right away he said to me something along the lines of, "Um, well, I guess we need to figure things out" - and me being downright fed up with all this crap over and over and over again (I believe this is the 5th or so time he's pulled this since July 1st alone) I kind of exploded. I told him *WE* don't need to figure anything out. I told him I've figured out all I want to figure out and I figure he's not welcome back here. I don't want him back here and I don't need this garbage he pulls far too often. I don't know of anyone that just doesn't come home from work and leaves their family sitting around like a dummy wondering where they are. Wondering if they're alright, where they are, who they're with, maybe they're even bleeding to death in a ditch somewhere... So then after I had a slight explosion (there was no yelling, however) he said something like, "Yea, I guess I'm going to move out" and all I said was what a wonderful idea that was, and it was something *I* should have figured out almost 4 years ago. This disappearing and taking off for days and days (and sometimes even weeks) seems to be typical behaviour of his, and it's funny - his mother thinks there's nothing wrong with it. Then again, take a good look at her life, and his brother's and sister's as well... So yesterday morning, on the phone, the convo was fairly short and pointless. I said a few things that were on my mind and it was about 15 mins in length at the most. He then said something like, "is it alright if I call you later today? Keep in touch?" I remember saying whatever, I didn't care, but I was busy today - reminded him that after all the football yesterday, there was more football stuff today - and tomorrow and the next. He then just asked if he could call the cell and again, I said I really don't care - and I don't think I did care. Well... while I was out, I see he had tried calling the house a few hours later, around noon. Then he called my cell around 6ish, I think it might have been. I didn't answer. Knew it was him, but I don't answer blocked calls (and he knows that) Then there's a knock on the back door - guess who! Now that's another story. He ended up asking for some guy's phone number that he was working with a week or two ago that still has his tools and I looked it up on the phone. He also asked for the bank card and that ipod charger cord thing. Clearly the more important things to him. I told him I wanted his stuff out and sooner than later. He said Tuesday, I, once again, told him he knows DS has football Tuesday nights, so he's supposed to be here Wednesday. I'll have his stuff ready. Just the personal items like clothes and such. I'm NOT ripping the house apart to find each and every little item he has - I'll just get all the main stuff. He told me he has to try and find someone - his boss, he said - to help him so he has a ride (N doesn't drive or anything and I am not his moving service - ha) He also said he needs to find somewhere to store his stuff for a while as he doesn't have anywhere to go. I told him to just bring it home (to his whatever new home) and he said he doesn't have one yet, he's just staying here and there for the time being. I really don't care, though, actually. Sometime yesterday, he said something about he would like it if I went to visit him - to which I replied I have no desire to visit with him, and there is NO way I will ever bring the kids to some random drug/flop house that he stays at. There will be a blizzard in hell before that happens. And I told him that. But. He is more than welcome to come here to visit the kids or it's always a possibility to meet somewhere - a park, a restaurant, whatever - but I will not bring the kids to the drug houses/flop houses that I know he will be at often enough. He's more than welcome to come here, although NOT welcome to just show up at random and uninvited or unannounced. Also, while I was talking to a friend, she had said that if that was her, she'd not want her kids to see him right away. Let things settle and all first. She said she might have even gone so far as to make sure he was settled - actually had a place to live first - and then deal with that. For N, I really don't think he'd care. It was just last summer that he disappeared out of nowhere for almost the entire summer. Just didn't come home and disappeared. He wouldn't return my calls if I did call, wouldn't call period. So, really, I don't think this friend's suggestion is too far out to lunch, but I'm not sure. I just don't want the kids to CONSTANTLY see him turning his back on them. Maybe come one day, not call or come for a month, then come another day or two or whatever. But for this whole situation. After all I feel I have been hurt with this (and not just the last couple days but off and on the last couple years) I don't want or need anything to do with him. Nothing. I do believe that the kids do, though. And that it's not MY position to stop them from seeing him - kids seem to be smart... they'll draw their own conclusions one way or another down the line. What is the right thing to do with a situation like this? I mean as far as the kids go? He's supposed to call and stop by Wednesday - and I'm going to ask him to come in the evening once the kids are in bed, and if that doesn't work for him, I'll make it another day and time that I can get someone to watch the kids. They DON'T need this just yet. I'm not exactly sure how to go with this... Any suggestions would be welcome, and as always, I'll take what I feel I can use (even with a grain of salt! lol) and leave the rest. Mainly because although there has been a suggestion or two about it, I really don't know where I stand - other than, "Well, maybe THAT is an idea or thought" |
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Well, it's finally the end.
Kat schrieb:
So... long story short, after all is said and done, N is gone. First: *hugs* Second: I agree with Banty and Sue. First get legal counsel and then make sure visits are supervised. If he's taking drugs I'd personally get CPS or the police involved (I don't know whose job it is to keep kids away from drug users) and make sure he knows that he needs to turn up sober or not at all. Third: Child support. Get that sorted out asap. He needs to take that responsibility, too. cu nicole |
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Well, it's finally the end.
"Kat" wrote in message ... So... long story short, after all is said and done, N is gone. He took off once again on Friday - just, I guess, decided he either didn't feel like coming home after work or perhaps he forgot where home was. Well, now he's homeless (lol) and not coming back. Disappeared Friday. Yesterday (Sunday) he calls just before 9am. When the phone rang, I saw it was this guy that somewhat recently started working with him, and the ONLY reason I picked up was because I thought it was this guy looking for N, and I was going to tell him sorry, N doesn't live here anymore and no, I'm not able to take a message. Turns out it was actually N calling. snip (((Hugs))) Debbie |
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Well, it's finally the end.
Kat wrote:
So... long story short, after all is said and done, N is gone. Oh, sorry to hear this... I'd hoped that he would have figured it out, but you are better off without him. Be strong for the kids. -- Anita -- |
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Well, it's finally the end.
"Sue" wrote in message ... My only advice is to stay strong and not let him back again. As far as the kids are concerned, does N want to see his kids? If he does, then supervised visits at your house or other public place would be okay I guess. I'm not going to let him back. Not any time soon. I suppose it's unfair to tell him to get lost forever, or something. I do care about him. Yes, I do love him. I have seen good sides of him. I still worry about him and all that. I also know that when he wants to, he is a good friend, partner, father, whatever. He needs some serious help, and if he's not willing to get some help for himself, then there's nothing I can do about that. I cannot change him or force him to change for me or anyone. And in all honesty, I do think he needs to get himself some help on his own before WE can get help, if need be. I also don't think it's right or fair for the kids to lose out. I don't know if he wants to see them or not. I would imagine he would. I know *I* would, but then again, I can't even imagine just walking away and disappearing for days or weeks on end and not calling, seeing my own children... That thought just never came across my mind of something I'd like to do in my life. I know even when I left DS over a weekend once with my parents, I had to call home at least a couple times a day to just check in. He was real little at the time, and I knew he'd be perfectly fine with my parents, but still. I was still calling long distance daily to double check LOL When I went to Vegas with my mom for my 21st birthday, it was for 5 days, DS was like 3 and staying with my aunt and uncle. Again, he was perfectly fine and I had no doubts, but I still called when I could. I don't think I'd be able to leave all the kids for more than a couple days, and even then, I'd still call for sure. I just don't think that right now is a good time, but I also don't know if I'm wrong. I just have this feeling that I should let things carry on and in time, let him come visit. I have absolutely no issues or problem with him coming here to visit. None at all. I just have issues with him coming here stoned or with his new and wonderful "buddies" hanging around on the street. I also honestly think that it would be better/easier for the kids if he didn't show his face around here for a bit. Really, when I think about it, how would that idea be any different than him taking off for a few weeks anyways? I just don't know if what I'm thinking or feeling is what is really the right thing to do or not. Sue (mom to three girls) "Kat" wrote in message ... So... long story short, after all is said and done, N is gone. He took off once again on Friday - just, I guess, decided he either didn't feel like coming home after work or perhaps he forgot where home was. Well, now he's homeless (lol) and not coming back. Disappeared Friday. Yesterday (Sunday) he calls just before 9am. When the phone rang, I saw it was this guy that somewhat recently started working with him, and the ONLY reason I picked up was because I thought it was this guy looking for N, and I was going to tell him sorry, N doesn't live here anymore and no, I'm not able to take a message. Turns out it was actually N calling. What a joke THAT pathetic excuse of a convo was, but... Right away he said to me something along the lines of, "Um, well, I guess we need to figure things out" - and me being downright fed up with all this crap over and over and over again (I believe this is the 5th or so time he's pulled this since July 1st alone) I kind of exploded. I told him *WE* don't need to figure anything out. I told him I've figured out all I want to figure out and I figure he's not welcome back here. I don't want him back here and I don't need this garbage he pulls far too often. I don't know of anyone that just doesn't come home from work and leaves their family sitting around like a dummy wondering where they are. Wondering if they're alright, where they are, who they're with, maybe they're even bleeding to death in a ditch somewhere... So then after I had a slight explosion (there was no yelling, however) he said something like, "Yea, I guess I'm going to move out" and all I said was what a wonderful idea that was, and it was something *I* should have figured out almost 4 years ago. This disappearing and taking off for days and days (and sometimes even weeks) seems to be typical behaviour of his, and it's funny - his mother thinks there's nothing wrong with it. Then again, take a good look at her life, and his brother's and sister's as well... So yesterday morning, on the phone, the convo was fairly short and pointless. I said a few things that were on my mind and it was about 15 mins in length at the most. He then said something like, "is it alright if I call you later today? Keep in touch?" I remember saying whatever, I didn't care, but I was busy today - reminded him that after all the football yesterday, there was more football stuff today - and tomorrow and the next. He then just asked if he could call the cell and again, I said I really don't care - and I don't think I did care. Well... while I was out, I see he had tried calling the house a few hours later, around noon. Then he called my cell around 6ish, I think it might have been. I didn't answer. Knew it was him, but I don't answer blocked calls (and he knows that) Then there's a knock on the back door - guess who! Now that's another story. He ended up asking for some guy's phone number that he was working with a week or two ago that still has his tools and I looked it up on the phone. He also asked for the bank card and that ipod charger cord thing. Clearly the more important things to him. I told him I wanted his stuff out and sooner than later. He said Tuesday, I, once again, told him he knows DS has football Tuesday nights, so he's supposed to be here Wednesday. I'll have his stuff ready. Just the personal items like clothes and such. I'm NOT ripping the house apart to find each and every little item he has - I'll just get all the main stuff. He told me he has to try and find someone - his boss, he said - to help him so he has a ride (N doesn't drive or anything and I am not his moving service - ha) He also said he needs to find somewhere to store his stuff for a while as he doesn't have anywhere to go. I told him to just bring it home (to his whatever new home) and he said he doesn't have one yet, he's just staying here and there for the time being. I really don't care, though, actually. Sometime yesterday, he said something about he would like it if I went to visit him - to which I replied I have no desire to visit with him, and there is NO way I will ever bring the kids to some random drug/flop house that he stays at. There will be a blizzard in hell before that happens. And I told him that. But. He is more than welcome to come here to visit the kids or it's always a possibility to meet somewhere - a park, a restaurant, whatever - but I will not bring the kids to the drug houses/flop houses that I know he will be at often enough. He's more than welcome to come here, although NOT welcome to just show up at random and uninvited or unannounced. Also, while I was talking to a friend, she had said that if that was her, she'd not want her kids to see him right away. Let things settle and all first. She said she might have even gone so far as to make sure he was settled - actually had a place to live first - and then deal with that. For N, I really don't think he'd care. It was just last summer that he disappeared out of nowhere for almost the entire summer. Just didn't come home and disappeared. He wouldn't return my calls if I did call, wouldn't call period. So, really, I don't think this friend's suggestion is too far out to lunch, but I'm not sure. I just don't want the kids to CONSTANTLY see him turning his back on them. Maybe come one day, not call or come for a month, then come another day or two or whatever. But for this whole situation. After all I feel I have been hurt with this (and not just the last couple days but off and on the last couple years) I don't want or need anything to do with him. Nothing. I do believe that the kids do, though. And that it's not MY position to stop them from seeing him - kids seem to be smart... they'll draw their own conclusions one way or another down the line. What is the right thing to do with a situation like this? I mean as far as the kids go? He's supposed to call and stop by Wednesday - and I'm going to ask him to come in the evening once the kids are in bed, and if that doesn't work for him, I'll make it another day and time that I can get someone to watch the kids. They DON'T need this just yet. I'm not exactly sure how to go with this... Any suggestions would be welcome, and as always, I'll take what I feel I can use (even with a grain of salt! lol) and leave the rest. Mainly because although there has been a suggestion or two about it, I really don't know where I stand - other than, "Well, maybe THAT is an idea or thought" |
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Well, it's finally the end.
In article , "Kat" wrote:
So... long story short, after all is said and done, N is gone. I'm very sorry that it's ended like this instead of with him cleaning up his act. Along with everyone else, I vote you close your bank accounts and change your locks asap. And I DO think you should contact the school, not just to discuss the pickup issue but also to let them know that your kids might need a bit of help for a while. But make VERY sure that you aren't going to be liable for any of his debts and that he can't clean out your bank accounts or your house. If another family member can be present when he collects his stuff, you might be less likely to brain him (or vice versa). Next step is social security -- as a single parent, you may be eligible for some kind of support, or for higher rates of support than you have previously been eligible for. Ditto for health insurance (public or private), and other insurance policies you might have; might save some money to have one less adult in the house/car. One last issue is grandparents and other relatives on his side -- you will have to work out some way for them to see the children. (Assuming they aren't druggies and live close.) Best wishes, -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) http://chookiesbackyard.blogspot.com/ |
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Well, it's finally the end.
Kat wrote:
So... long story short, after all is said and done, N is gone. It sounds like this was a long time coming. I'm sorry to hear that you have to deal with all this, but I do hope everything works out for the best for you and the kids. I wish I could share advice, but this goes beyond my experience, and legal things here (Europe) are probably quite different from where you are. Take care! I -- mom to DS (6yo) mom to DS and DD (3yo) guardian of DH (age classified) and one tiny pea in the making |
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Well, it's finally the end.
"Chookie" wrote in message news:ehrebeniuk-B8E739.17290119092008@news... In article , "Kat" wrote: So... long story short, after all is said and done, N is gone. I'm very sorry that it's ended like this instead of with him cleaning up his act. Maybe it's better like this. I know it's going to play out exactly like it always does. He'll be back at the door and it will be the same thing. As always, I can't say exactly when, but I definitely do think it will be the same way he plays this game. This time, though, I will not play along. I will not act the same way that I always have, even though I'm pretty sure he will act as he always does (comes back, Oooh, I'm sorry... I screwed up... I'm a loser... It won't happen again... I need help... and act like everything is just fine) Along with everyone else, I vote you close your bank accounts and change your locks asap. And I DO think you should contact the school, not just to discuss the pickup issue but also to let them know that your kids might need a bit of help for a while. But make VERY sure that you aren't going to be liable for any of his debts and that he can't clean out your bank accounts or your house. If another family member can be present when he collects his stuff, you might be less likely to brain him (or vice versa). The bank accounts are dealt with, although with his account, I am such a dummy. When he came here Sunday, I gave him his card... But I didn't write the card numbers down to still be able to log in to his account online. I had originally wanted to take off the bills that are on his account for online banking and bill payment, but then I figure what for. He doesn't have access to any of the bills. Every bill is in my name, so there's no worry of him calling and disconnecting services or anything, and with the bills, it has to be me calling. So the worst that could happen is he pays a bill online - not that I think he would LOL For his stuff, he said he'd call and pick it up on Wednesday. It's Friday now and still no word. so forget that. I'm not going to make it easy and convenient for him now. I'm not going to answer the phone for a little while (a couple days at least) when he tries calling. Then I guess I'll let him know that his stuff is outside the yard in bags and if he doesn't pick them up soon, I will get rid of them. Or he can hope it doesn't rain or something all over bagged clothes and papers lol Maybe I'll see if my brother can come over here, but the problem with that is that I don't ever know when N will show up. He said he'd call and come get his stuff on Wednesday. It's more than likely going to be like every other time with him just showing up, even though I specifically said I was not interested in uninvited and unexpected visits from him lol Next step is social security -- as a single parent, you may be eligible for some kind of support, or for higher rates of support than you have previously been eligible for. Ditto for health insurance (public or private), and other insurance policies you might have; might save some money to have one less adult in the house/car. I'd probably be eligible for welfare lol I already get the max for things like the Child Tax Credit. The kids are covered fully with health insurance due to us being under the max income line to be eligible. I am also currently fighting with my health benefits as I am eligible for a similar coverage for health due to income amount and I'm pregnant, but they're giving me the runaround (long story) but I won't let this one go lol He doesn't have a license, so he is not an issue on my car insurance, and the house insurance, he is covered for his stuff because it didn't make any difference on the cost of the policy. They said it went more on type of dwelling and my broker told me it would pretty much be the same if I lived here with 3 kids or with 3 adults. I think special circumstances are if you don't have what would normally be expected in a normal house. One last issue is grandparents and other relatives on his side -- you will have to work out some way for them to see the children. (Assuming they aren't druggies and live close.) LOL forget them. His brother is just like him. I've actually made it clear well over a year ago that I don't want his brother around here. He and I had some issues about a year and a half ago involving him coming to visit (which I didn't mind) but his brother refusing to leave a backpack of dope in his vehicle and keep it out of the house. So I just took the backpack and put it outside, saying I didn't want a backpack of drugs in my house, period. His brother and I pull ourselves together when we do see eachother (like, say, if we see eachother at Christmas or something) but other than that, no thanks. His mother hasn't seen the kids since DS's birthday - end of Jan. She rarely calls, doesn't ever come over, so whatever with them. In all honesty, I see no real big loss. The kids don't ever see her anyways, but if she did call then I wouldn't have any issue with her coming here or us going to see her if we were available. Same with his sister. Haven't seen her face in so long I can't even remember the last time. They all live in the city, though, so if none cared to see the kids before, I don't see how that will change much at all. Best wishes, -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) http://chookiesbackyard.blogspot.com/ |
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Oh Joy! Finally. | kane | Spanking | 0 | October 15th 04 12:02 AM |
finally! I had my 1st u/s | Leinweber | Pregnancy | 1 | May 15th 04 12:30 PM |
He is finally doing it!!! | badgirl | Breastfeeding | 2 | July 19th 03 10:38 AM |