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  #11  
Old July 12th 06, 06:22 AM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
FlowerGirl
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"arachne" wrote in message
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the first thing that springs to mind is coeliac disease (sp?). has she
been tested for it?


I think so. The only Dx so far is "ulcerative colitis" which apparently
doesn't have a "known" cause. Most of what I can find suggests that bf
offers some protection though....


some of those foods she is eating are quite high in natural chemicals
(salicylates, amines etc) so if we are talking intolerence, that could
be the problem. the book "friendly food" by rpa hospital allergy unit
has comprehensive info about a low chemical elimination diet.
you can read a bit he http://www.cs.nsw.gov.au/rpa/allergy/


Thanks - will pass on the link.
This is the lady that I was telling you about back in February I think....


from my allergist, the list of low natural chemical foods a babmoo
shoots, brussel sprouts, cabbage, celery, chives, choko, dried beans,
dried peas, green beans, leek, lentils, iceberg lettuce, mungbean
sprouts, white peeled potatp, red cabbage, shallot, swede, pear (ripe
peeled), pear (canned in sugar syrup), beef, chicken (no skin), eggs,
fish (fresh, white) lamb, rabbit, sausage casing & veal.

is she using oil to cook?


Not sure. I'm thinking she's not as most things she is eating are either
poached, grilled or baked without oil.

what is she drinking? just water?

Yes.

is she sure forbidden foods are not sneaking in or is she having any
medication? even humble vitamins can have things she shouldn't be having.


She's pretty rigourous about the diet and isn't taking any supplements or
meds.

even foods on her list can be allergenic. DS1 is allergic to both
pumpkin & rockmelon.


I think these are the foods she knows haven't caused a reaction and she's
been keeping a food diary for about 5 months now. She tells me that if she
eats anything not on the list its followed by a night of having the bub
scream in pain.

Ta
Amanda



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Old July 12th 06, 11:10 AM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
Anne Rogers
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Default allergies, gut problems and Neocate Vs breastmilk

Flower girl wrote:
Actually, getting enough vitamins and minerals on the restricted diet is
one
of my friend's concerns but she isn't taking any supplements or meds.


I wouldn't be too concerned, with the variety of vegetable she should be
getting plenty of vitamins which are the ones that seem to have more effect
in the short term, providing she already had good levels in her body before
the restricted diet she should be fine for a while longer. Calcium would
seem to be one that is low, but again if she had good levels before and is
doing plenty of weight bearing exercise (for a mum of small children, just
normal activity is fine), her bone density is very very unlikely to decrease
any more than normal breastfeeding and pregnancy does.

Anne


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Old July 13th 06, 11:14 AM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
FlowerGirl
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"Anne Rogers" wrote in message
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Flower girl wrote:
Actually, getting enough vitamins and minerals on the restricted diet is
one
of my friend's concerns but she isn't taking any supplements or meds.


I wouldn't be too concerned, with the variety of vegetable she should be
getting plenty of vitamins which are the ones that seem to have more

effect
in the short term, providing she already had good levels in her body

before
the restricted diet she should be fine for a while longer.


But she's only on button squash, zuchinni and pumpkin. No leafy greens.
I do worry that the limited number of fruits and veg she can eat isn't from
a wide enough range.

Calcium would
seem to be one that is low, but again if she had good levels before and is
doing plenty of weight bearing exercise (for a mum of small children, just
normal activity is fine), her bone density is very very unlikely to

decrease
any more than normal breastfeeding and pregnancy does.


This does concern her a bit ... but again more for the her long-term health.
But yes - plenty of weight bearing exercise with a 7.5 mo and a 3.5 yo
Amanda


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Old July 13th 06, 11:29 PM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
Anne Rogers
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Flowergirl wrote:
But she's only on button squash, zuchinni and pumpkin. No leafy greens.
I do worry that the limited number of fruits and veg she can eat isn't
from
a wide enough range.


but zuchinni is green is it not? and pumpkin is yellow? the thing that might
be missing is whatever comes from red things (vitamins and colours have a
fairly good correlation). Has she tried reintroducing any veggies? or
learning to eat veggies she didn't eat before? I've taught myself to eat
broccoli for various reasons. So there might be thing that she could add in
that she never took out because they weren't there. Oh and you missed out
the melons, they aren't vitamin free!

I think the biggest indicator is how she feels? if she is determined to
continue, she can't be feeling that bad! I know myself I have to watch I eat
my fresh fruit and veggies and can feel quite rough pretty speedily
otherwise.

Anne


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Old July 14th 06, 04:54 AM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
FlowerGirl
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"Anne Rogers" wrote in message
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Flowergirl wrote:
But she's only on button squash, zuchinni and pumpkin. No leafy greens.
I do worry that the limited number of fruits and veg she can eat isn't
from
a wide enough range.


but zuchinni is green is it not? and pumpkin is yellow? the thing that

might
be missing is whatever comes from red things (vitamins and colours have a
fairly good correlation). Has she tried reintroducing any veggies? or
learning to eat veggies she didn't eat before? I've taught myself to eat
broccoli for various reasons. So there might be thing that she could add

in
that she never took out because they weren't there. Oh and you missed out
the melons, they aren't vitamin free!


Well yes, but to get all the vitamins and nutrients needed you need to eat
from a wide range of foods. Just one type of each colour day after day
isn't going to give you a good range as values for different vitamins and
minerals and phytochemicals vary between different vegetables and fruits.
In order to get a diet adequate in essential nutrients, it is suggested that
a person eats 20 -30 different food types every day, with a significant
proportion coming from fruit and vegetables (and they should be from
different types, not varieties of the same tpe like button squash and
zuchini, (e.g. typically, breastfeeding women should aim for 7 serves of
veges and 5 of fruit every day) ... so the very limited variety of fruit and
veges she's eating (and has been eating for the past few months) are not
really going to provide all the vitamins and minerals she needs. Those on
elimination diets need to take particular care in order to maintain a
balance of nutrients in the diet.

She has tried reintroducing vegetables but this only causes problems once
again. I know she's not normally a fussy eater and has always eaten from a
wide range of fruits and vegetables, so I'm not sure if there's too much she
hasn't tried.

Brocolli is an excellent vegetable (one of the "super foods") but
cruciferous veges seem to affect the bub quite badly (apparently she's been
*craving* Brussel sprouts as well as brocolli but both these seem to have a
particularly bad effect .... and while I love brocolli, and I eat brussel
sprouts, I don't think I could actually *crave* brussel sprouts

Cheers
Amanda


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Old July 17th 06, 11:54 PM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
FlowerGirl
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Default Update Q: allergies, gut problems and Neocate Vs breastmilk


"brandini73" wrote in message
ps.com...
My son is only 5 1/2 months old & he gets 1200 mg. per day. I mix it
with BM until it's the consistancy of prepared baby cereal. In our
case, I believe my son is intolerant, not truly allergic & that he'll
grow out of it. I'm willing to keep him on slippery elm forever,
though, if he doesn't. At a seminar I was at on this very subject, some
of the moms had great success using high doses of probiotics (given to
the kids) to heal leaky guts.

Good luck!
Brandy


Update:
Bub and mum have been to a herbalist / accupressure (not sure exactly) as of
Friday (don't know exactly what the herbs are but not slippery elm). So
far bub has done *normal* poos (rather than mucousy green slimey ones) but
has had some excess wind. ...
The mum is encouraged and is going to try this for a week or two, and then
is still going to try slippery elm if the current tmt makes no difference.

So thanks - fingers crossed that this tmt helps!
Amanda


  #17  
Old July 19th 06, 06:15 AM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
FlowerGirl
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Default Update Q: allergies, gut problems and Neocate Vs breastmilk


"FlowerGirl" wrote in message
...

"brandini73" wrote in message
ps.com...
My son is only 5 1/2 months old & he gets 1200 mg. per day. I mix it
with BM until it's the consistancy of prepared baby cereal. In our
case, I believe my son is intolerant, not truly allergic & that he'll
grow out of it. I'm willing to keep him on slippery elm forever,
though, if he doesn't. At a seminar I was at on this very subject, some
of the moms had great success using high doses of probiotics (given to
the kids) to heal leaky guts.

Good luck!
Brandy


Update:
Bub and mum have been to a herbalist / accupressure (not sure exactly) as

of
Friday (don't know exactly what the herbs are but not slippery elm). So
far bub has done *normal* poos (rather than mucousy green slimey ones) but
has had some excess wind. ...
The mum is encouraged and is going to try this for a week or two, and then
is still going to try slippery elm if the current tmt makes no difference.

So thanks - fingers crossed that this tmt helps!
Amanda


....and another update....
All is looking encouraging ... bub has only done *normal* poos (previously a
very rare event) since starting the tmt on Friday (yay) ... has been calmer
and has been able to release the wind by *herself* for the first time (and
she's not doing anything new like rolling so we don't think its coincidnece
Previously the parents had had to hold and rock her until she managed to
pass the wind, so this is a huge change. The Mum is sounding positive that
finally *something* seems to be working

Thanks so much for all the suggestions
Amanda


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Old July 20th 06, 01:42 PM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
arachne
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Default Q: allergies, gut problems and Neocate Vs breastmilk

FlowerGirl wrote:


Thanks - will pass on the link.
This is the lady that I was telling you about back in February I think....


i know. i am so sorry i couldn't email her. see my post in aus.fam in
why i was so busy.

--
elizabeth (in australia)
mum to DS1 "cheese" (almost 4 yrs) & DS2 "chalk" (almost 10 mths)


"Dog for sale: eats anything and is fond of children" - Classified Ad

"If you're ever in doubt, throw a pepper in the air. If it fails to come
down, you have gone mad, so don't trust in anything." - Gregory Maguire,
"Mirror Mirror"
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Old July 20th 06, 01:43 PM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
arachne
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Default Update Q: allergies, gut problems and Neocate Vs breastmilk

FlowerGirl wrote:
"FlowerGirl" wrote in message
...

"brandini73" wrote in message
oups.com...

My son is only 5 1/2 months old & he gets 1200 mg. per day. I mix it
with BM until it's the consistancy of prepared baby cereal. In our
case, I believe my son is intolerant, not truly allergic & that he'll
grow out of it. I'm willing to keep him on slippery elm forever,
though, if he doesn't. At a seminar I was at on this very subject, some
of the moms had great success using high doses of probiotics (given to
the kids) to heal leaky guts.

Good luck!
Brandy


Update:
Bub and mum have been to a herbalist / accupressure (not sure exactly) as


of

Friday (don't know exactly what the herbs are but not slippery elm). So
far bub has done *normal* poos (rather than mucousy green slimey ones) but
has had some excess wind. ...
The mum is encouraged and is going to try this for a week or two, and then
is still going to try slippery elm if the current tmt makes no difference.

So thanks - fingers crossed that this tmt helps!
Amanda



...and another update....
All is looking encouraging ... bub has only done *normal* poos (previously a
very rare event) since starting the tmt on Friday (yay) ... has been calmer
and has been able to release the wind by *herself* for the first time (and
she's not doing anything new like rolling so we don't think its coincidnece
Previously the parents had had to hold and rock her until she managed to
pass the wind, so this is a huge change. The Mum is sounding positive that
finally *something* seems to be working

Thanks so much for all the suggestions
Amanda



that's fantastic. and great that she will be able to keep breastfeeding
as she wanted! yay! are you able to find out what the treatment is?

--
elizabeth (in australia)
mum to DS1 "cheese" (almost 4 yrs) & DS2 "chalk" (almost 10 mths)


"Dog for sale: eats anything and is fond of children" - Classified Ad

"If you're ever in doubt, throw a pepper in the air. If it fails to come
down, you have gone mad, so don't trust in anything." - Gregory Maguire,
"Mirror Mirror"
  #20  
Old July 22nd 06, 03:15 AM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
FlowerGirl
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Default Update Q: allergies, gut problems and Neocate Vs breastmilk


"arachne" wrote in message
...
FlowerGirl wrote:
"FlowerGirl" wrote in message
...

"brandini73" wrote in message
oups.com...

My son is only 5 1/2 months old & he gets 1200 mg. per day. I mix it
with BM until it's the consistancy of prepared baby cereal. In our
case, I believe my son is intolerant, not truly allergic & that he'll
grow out of it. I'm willing to keep him on slippery elm forever,
though, if he doesn't. At a seminar I was at on this very subject, some
of the moms had great success using high doses of probiotics (given to
the kids) to heal leaky guts.

Good luck!
Brandy


Update:
Bub and mum have been to a herbalist / accupressure (not sure exactly)

as

of

Friday (don't know exactly what the herbs are but not slippery elm).

So
far bub has done *normal* poos (rather than mucousy green slimey ones)

but
has had some excess wind. ...
The mum is encouraged and is going to try this for a week or two, and

then
is still going to try slippery elm if the current tmt makes no

difference.

So thanks - fingers crossed that this tmt helps!
Amanda



...and another update....
All is looking encouraging ... bub has only done *normal* poos

(previously a
very rare event) since starting the tmt on Friday (yay) ... has been

calmer
and has been able to release the wind by *herself* for the first time

(and
she's not doing anything new like rolling so we don't think its

coincidnece
Previously the parents had had to hold and rock her until she

managed to
pass the wind, so this is a huge change. The Mum is sounding positive

that
finally *something* seems to be working

Thanks so much for all the suggestions
Amanda



that's fantastic. and great that she will be able to keep breastfeeding
as she wanted! yay! are you able to find out what the treatment is?


I will at some point ... she did explain it at p'group but too much other
stuff going on for me to understand it all. She's asked me to update here
and thank everybody too...
Also - I *am* going to respond to your update in af ... too much stuff going
on with you guys for me to do a quick reply so I'm not ignoring you ... I'm
just digesting info
XA


 




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