The Worst Restaurant Foods for Kids

Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
%A wrote:
You cannot even speak to your owwn child for fear that he or she
would be bored by you. The whole dang thing is pointless so you
might as well throw up your hands and have another donut.
You and I have nothing to say to each other if you think that you
cannot even speak to your own child.

If he thinks he cannot speak to his own child, he's in dire need of
your help. Why turn your back on him and ostracize him because he can
no longer muster up the strength to be a parent? Such people need our
encouragement and resources rather than our scorn. It's always easier
to scorn than help.

Orlando


I am the wrong person to seek help from, nor would he hear it if I offered,
as evidenced by his responses.

%A wrote:
You call working with your kids on health a luxury?

He clearly has trouble working on health with his kids. How is your criticism
supposed to help him? Or, do you care more about criticizing him in order to
make yourself feel good rather than his kids?

Orlando

Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
%A wrote:
You call working with your kids on health a luxury?

He clearly has trouble working on health with his kids. How is your
criticism supposed to help him? Or, do you care more about
criticizing him in order to make yourself feel good rather than his
kids?

Orlando


I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. I dont know him well
enough to say he has trouble working on health with his kids. His cryptic
responses could mean anything. Far be it from me to try to "help" him with
anything unless he deems me someone he is interested in being helped by. We
had a spirited conversation about a stupid article in a stupid magazine.
Viva la net!

On 2009-04-30, The Master wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Willow Herself wrote:

You know "Master"... you're a great exemple of what's wrong with America...

If you can't teach an 8 years old to deal with things he/she isn't happy
about, what kind of teenager/adult will that kid become?

I love it, feed a kid junk food crap because they kid will REFUSE to eat
anything else.. that's so sad it's funny.

It has nothing to do with food, it has to do with actually raising a kid.

And that's fine and dandy. But that's not what the article was talking
about Willow and you know it.

You take your family out to eat, and your kid wants unhealthy choice
number 4.

You don't go out to eat where there is an unhealthy choice number 4.

So your kids have never been there, and don't know that there is such a thing.

On 2009-04-30, The Master wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Stephanie wrote:

In it's own right, nothing. But forcing a child to eat it when they
don't want to, will make them associate chicken with punishment.

Nobody said anything about forcing. I hardly see "forcing" as the oppositie
of not offering crap.

And that goes back to this list is the most help BEFORE the kid gets into
the bad habbits. As a way to change behavior, it's grossly lacking.

Come on, the list recommends that a healthy alternative is a 350 calorie
drink containing 85 grams of sugar.

The article was written by a complete moron.

%A wrote:
On the flip side, if every person who attempted a conversation weren't
disended upon as a person of raging hate, at lease insofar as the group were
concerned, then there would be less dismissing as psychotic blathering.

Let's be part of the solution. I haven't directed any hatred at you. In fact,
I've agreed with most of your points, which indicates that we're beginning a
fruitful conversation. It's easy for both sides on the fat issue to blame
rather than help each other. Those who condemn the overweight need to realize
that we're not fat because of insufficient will power, control over eating or
understanding of health. On the other side, those of us who've begun turning
our lives around and losing weight shouldn't get so cocky that we forget those
who haven't yet gotten to the point of needing to take desperate measures, let
alone figuring out which measures to take. Thue truth is that on South Beach, I
eat lean protein and vegetables most of the time, supplemented with some fruit,
whole grains and even an occasional "whatever meal" with refined carbs. My
total cholesterol is down more than a hundred points. My fasting glucose is
within a normal range. I no longer get gout attacks or debilitating knee pain.
My blood pressure is at its lowest. I'm better able to walk without my feet
hurting or running out of breath. But, as though all these health benefits
weren't enough, I'm gradually attaining a balance between eating what I love
ahdn what works best for my body. All in all, even though I can't always eat
what I want, I can usually find something truly enjoyable. I don't count
calories or worry about portion sizes, except with carbs and sweets, which I
must curtail. The point is that losing weight consistently and healthily hasn't
been as much of a drag as I thought it would be. But, I had to get away from
the moralizers around me who told me I'd have to do without nearly everything
and put up with persistent hunger in order to reach my goal. Fact is, I don't
have to be hungry to lose weight. In fact, the more lean protein and veggies I
eat, the fewer cravings I feel and the more weight I lose.

Bringing this back around to our original topic, let's face it, the food
industry is on the take; it wants to produce cheap foods that seem to satisfy
broad desires for grease, salt, processed meat and sugar. Fast food restaurants
make a profit because people continue patronizing them. They're not in the
business of sadistically serving unhealthy food; they want to earn a profit. If
millions of Americans wanted leaner meat that isn't fried, fewer carbs and no
high fructose corn syrup, they'd get on the ball to provide that to people. So,
why do we continue wanting these foods even though so many of us know how
unhealthy they are? In many neighborhoods, those foods are the only convenient
and affordable choices we have. It takes time and skill to cook. With both
parents working in many families, no one has time to shop or cook. But, I think
Americans could learn quite a lot from immigrant populations who, despite
hectic work schedules and grinding poverty, often still find time and energy to
cook in order to maintain vital cultural connections via food. That might be
part of the problem here. We've forgotten food as culture, home cooking as an
expression of family traditions and ethnic identity. We've bought the lie that
food is just an engineered product intended to keep us on the go and working
for the man. Food can mean so much more than the animalistic satisfaction of
primal taste urges. While I'm not suggesting that we ignore what tastes good to
us, I am suggesting that we're getting far more negative side effects from
following the tastes encouraged by the food industry.

Folks, stop trying to find the healthiest options on fast food menus, get back
home and into your kitchens.

Orlando

%A wrote:
I am the wrong person to seek help from, nor would he hear it if I offered,
as evidenced by his responses.

I might seek help from you if I could reach you at a valid email address. Who's
to say you couldn't help someone like him? Stranger things have happened when
people start talking sincerely.

Orlando

%A wrote:
I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. I dont know him well
enough to say he has trouble working on health with his kids. His cryptic
responses could mean anything. Far be it from me to try to "help" him with
anything unless he deems me someone he is interested in being helped by.

Your opinions seemed to be delivered in a very spirited manner. Are you sure
you're not getting worked up over this?

We had a spirited conversation about a stupid article in a stupid magazine.
Viva la net!

We're really talking about much more than a stupid article; we're talking about
what food means to us and how parenting influences food choices. We're
discussing our perpetuation of the sedentary culture that has made today's kids
so obese. I think we're talking about important stuff here.

Orlando

wrote:
If you can't teach an 8 years old to deal with things he/she isn't happy
about, what kind of teenager/adult will that kid become?

A teenager demanding that life make them happy all the time.

I love it, feed a kid junk food crap because they kid will REFUSE to eat
anything else.. that's so sad it's funny.

If I had behaved that way during my childhood, I would have starved because my
family was not about to feed me junk food on a daily basis.

It has nothing to do with food, it has to do with actually raising a kid.

Agreed. So far, we've gotten no rational explanation why it's better to let a
kid eat all the junk food they want.

Orlando

"Orlando Enrique Fiol" wrote in message
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wrote:
If you can't teach an 8 years old to deal with things he/she isn't happy
about, what kind of teenager/adult will that kid become?

A teenager demanding that life make them happy all the time.

As a highschool teacher, I can tell you it's no pretty sight.


I love it, feed a kid junk food crap because they kid will REFUSE to eat
anything else.. that's so sad it's funny.

If I had behaved that way during my childhood, I would have starved
because my
family was not about to feed me junk food on a daily basis.

*grin* My mother never "forced" us to do anything, she just prepared dinner
and if you don't want it, then you can prepare yourself something else, but
there were only healthy foods in the fridge.

We did have treats, but they were treats, occasional. You know, not only we
survived, but we were the kids who got sick the less often in the entire
neighborhood.

We did rebel, throw fits, which Mom ignored, at worst putting us in our room
while it lasted, and since it didn't lead anywhere, we stopped doing it
fairly fast.


It has nothing to do with food, it has to do with actually raising a kid.

Agreed. So far, we've gotten no rational explanation why it's better to
let a
kid eat all the junk food they want.

Orlando

I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Will~